Arctyrael, Protectorate of the Moronic

[Uzor]

The sarcasm it reeks of is because of how goddamn easy it was to write that, instead of posting bullshit that I seriously couldn't give two shits about. Thus, by putting it in endgame discussion, it gets the concern and attention it deserves without interrupting a damn good thread idea by Daynor.

I know exactly why it reeks of sarcasm I just mentioned it ^^ Hell, I even said "Very pretty thread". You should take that as a compliment, I rarely mention things are pretty. Unless its girls or pandas.

 

[jamal]

Let me quote the first post in that thread. Remember this is the very first post.

Game, match, set.

Endgame included. Not endgame specific. If you could warrant discussion as I mentioned what enhancements RDM needed to become an experience tank, or a tank class, than I would agree. Caerloc posted many many many times that RDM couldn't be an experience tank.
Hellstorm, while his ideas were shitty, was on-topic.

 

[Uzor]

New tank, RDM has been done, World wide championship.

Yes, I know RDM has been done. I only mentioned RDM in that thread because people kept insisting that RDM can't tank at all. POSSIBLY to hold a NM 'till the rest of the LS, nut nothing more. Don't remember who said that, but it wasn't Bajaratt, Skaw or Jamal.

 

[Caerloc]

I don't give a fuck what you think was said. If you're going to talk about ONLY endgame, then talk about ONLY endgame in ENDGAME discussion. If you're going to talk about the job as a whole, keep it there.

Christ, you called out skaw in the middle for not participating in END-GAME EVENTS.

I did read the fucking thread, and you retaliating here is AGAIN off-subject. I'm now going to show you how easy it is to start an end-game discussion thread. Rather than taking one quote out of people's posts, you simply move to the correct forum, and start a thread. God you're a fucking moron still trying to justify yourself while admitting all you talk is ENDGAME.

Off course you dont care. Stubborn dumbshits rarely do. But what stubborn dumbshits rarely realizes is that ignoring facts doesnt change them.

Fact: Bajaratt claimed RDM had no acess to hate tools. I corrected him.

Try to follow the string of logic here now. It gets tricky. In a first grade mathematics class, little jamal claims that Four is spelled with 4 U. The math teacher kindly corrects him saying; nono, little jamal, red is only spelled with 1 U. Jamals answer to this is; wtf this is a math class, wth are you doing correctiong my spelling?

Now, do you think the teacher should have ignored little jamal and let him think four was spelled with 4 u's, just because he said it in a math class instead of an english class?

To sum up, wrong is wrong, nomatter where the fuck its said.

I didnt come in to that discussion telling everyone off from the bat how great tanks rdm's where. I corrected a wrong, and i'd do it again.


And dont leave stuff out. I called skaw for not participating in endgame because he was talkin about what i did in endgame.


And me retaliating here is off topic? Dude, your the one who brought my name into this thread. You think im gonna sit by and smile?

 

[jamal]

Yes, I know RDM has been done. I only mentioned RDM in that thread because people kept insisting that RDM can't tank at all. POSSIBLY to hold a NM 'till the rest of the LS, nut nothing more. Don't remember who said that, but it wasn't Bajaratt, Skaw or Jamal.

Which, in its own right, is off-topic. People bashed war-tanking 5 or 6 times early in that thread, yet I didn't get my panties in a bunch because someone was over-generalizing the playerbase of my job.

 

[Uzor]

Endgame included. Not endgame specific. If you could warrant discussion as I mentioned what enhancements RDM needed to become an experience tank, or a tank class, than I would agree. Caerloc posted many many many times that RDM couldn't be an experience tank.
Hellstorm, while his ideas were shitty, was on-topic.

As I said last post, I didn't bring up the idea. I only defended RDM as a tank. I couldn't care less whether you assumed it was both or not.

Besides, in that case everyone were off-tangent, as SE said the new tank would be for small-man parties. It would be hard to tank a full exp party or a HNM. So that would be small-man exclusive. As in, the exact opposite.

 

[Uzor]

Which, in its own right, is off-topic. People bashed war-tanking 5 or 6 times early in that thread, yet I didn't get my panties in a bunch because someone was over-generalizing the playerbase of my job.

Last time I checked, I wasn't you And you know I jump at a chance to argue :nyam:

 

[Caerloc]

Cant edit here. But i started out with Jamal trying to spell red. But then i realized that red had nothing to do with math at all. So using rdm would make a bad comparison, since saying rdm has no hate tools atleast has something to do with tanking. So i changed it to four, cause it has someting to do with math. But i missed one change.

 

[jamal]

Cant edit here. But i started out with Jamal trying to spell red. But then i realized that red had nothing to do with math at all. So using rdm would make a bad comparison, since saying rdm has no hate tools atleast has something to do with tanking. So i changed it to four, cause it has someting to do with math. But i missed one change.

This post has nothing but flamebaiting associated with it though, does nothing for the integrity of the thread, and was what started to spurn my interest:

I cant even believe people on this server still doubt rdm's ability to tank.

The discussion for two pages before this quote was about experience mobs...finally getting back on topic, and then you dropped this.

 

[jamal]

In addition, here is one of my favorite quotes:

Which to 90% of the userbase these are the only events they participate in. You're never going to cap hate in an experience party. You're never going to have enough time pass or damage dealt to make the degradation argument viable either.
This is a discussion again on tanking jobs. I could be wrong, but I highly doubt SE would make a release about modification of a job to only be concerned with 10% of the userbase for mobs that pop at a minimum of once every 21-24 hours.
The discussion has gone from a serious discussion on what job would take a small modification to make it a viable 'tanking job' to whether or not RDM can ever tank. Who seriously gives a fuck whether RDM can or cannot tank. If you want to talk about RDM tanking in HNM or other endgame situations, make a topic in endgame discussion so I can ignore it.
I'm not aiming this at you Uzor, I only quoted the first part of your quote to respond with my first paragraph.

 

[Callum]

Yes, I know RDM has been done. I only mentioned RDM in that thread because people kept insisting that RDM can't tank at all. POSSIBLY to hold a NM 'till the rest of the LS, nut nothing more. Don't remember who said that, but it wasn't Bajaratt, Skaw or Jamal.

Hence why Jamal was saying move it to another thread. Holy christ people on this forum are slow.

 

[Kelyon]

I can't believe that Arc didn't lock this yet...

 

[Caerloc]

Originally Posted by Bajaratt View Post
I've never seen anyone pull hate with dispel, even when spamming it; where was this report on spell enmity?
Originally Posted by Skaw View Post
I didn't say it didn't either. I said it was stated by the person people were pulling the whole "RDMs can tank with dispel hate lol" livejournal posts from.
These 2 are just doubting rdm tanking period, endgame or exp.

Originally Posted by Bajaratt View Post
No, but you said they could be with the right changes; otherwise if they're not going to be nearly as good, there's no reason to actually give them tanking features. Your entire reasoning of why RDM might be a good tank is dependent on making big changes to the job; give it hate gaining abilities, give it hate gaining spells, give it better gear for tanking. If you have to make that many changes to make it a decent tank: the job can't tank. Get over it, RDM is not the uber-job that can do everything well; accept your role as a support job and stop trying to PUSH to move up to the front lines. The job change function is there for a reason, use it.

Warrior can tank just fine now; the only reason most people don't use them is because most warriors are retards who "unlearned" provoke. Their gear options are fine, since they get most of the gear that both PLD and NIN wears for tanking, on top of their relic/AF which has some nice enmity on it.
This one says rdm cant tank, while wars can do it with relic. So i have to assume this is about rdm tanking in endgame.

Originally Posted by Bajaratt View Post

Similar to red mage, spamming Dispel wouldn't be enough to hold hate when you have anyone doing damage on the mob. You still have nothing to effectively hold hate, if you rely on spells you'll blow through your MP really fast so you wouldn't last in a sustained fight.


Stop trying to make RDM the uber-job. They're worthless tanks right now due to their lack of effective hate tools(spamming dispel wouldn't work) and they have no effective gear for tanking that other jobs wouldn't put to 10x better use.
This is talking about sustained fights. Where except engame are the fights sustained?

Those where the comments that brough on that response as i explained IN THAT THREAD.

And again, seriously dude... The OP SO FUCKIN CLEARLY INCLUDED ENDGAME TANKING, sticking to only talking about exp-tanking ISNT FUCKIN ON TOPIC.

 

[jamal]

Those where the comments that brough on that response as i explained IN THAT THREAD.

And again, seriously dude... The OP SO FUCKIN CLEARLY INCLUDED ENDGAME TANKING, sticking to only talking about exp-tanking ISNT FUCKIN ON TOPIC.

Go up to an average joe. I've explained this already. 10% of the userbase regularly participates in events where RDM would be a succesful tank. To discuss a tank class, you'd have to be discussing something the majority of the userbase would have access to. That's why endgame discussion has its own forum. That's also why when I want something discussed pertaining ONLY to endgame I go there. General discussion involves the majority of the userbase, endgame discussion does not. Those quotes you posted would have made a great start to the spinoff thread, but remember who they were responding to in the beginning of the thread, Hellstorm.

 

[Uzor]

Hence why Jamal was saying move it to another thread. Holy christ people on this forum are slow.

Oh, I know he said that. I even agreed that it should be moved. I never argued against it. But it wasn't moved, thus we we replied in the same thread.

Herro Vacuum Cleaner.

 

[Caerloc]

Doesnt change the fact that the OP clearly included endgame. Infact sticking to talking about exp-tanks only would be offtopic. If you didnt agree with that OP, you should have made another thread in general discussion to and exclude endgame tanking all together. Because nomatter where YOU would prefer to go to get it, the OP included it in his thread.

 

[Callum]

Doesnt change the fact that the OP clearly included endgame. Infact sticking to talking about exp-tanks only would be offtopic. If you didnt agree with that OP, you should have made another thread in general discussion to and exclude endgame tanking all together. Because nomatter where YOU would prefer to go to get it, the OP included it in his thread.

Again, it was for NEW TANKS, RDMs have already been tested to work.

 

[Caerloc]

Again, it was for NEW TANKS, RDMs have already been tested to work.

I wasnt the one who brought it up. As i've said time and time again, i merely corrected the mistakes of others. See the mathclass analogy for further explanation.

 

[Callum]

I wasnt the one who brought it up. As i've said time and time again, i merely corrected the mistakes of others. See the mathclass analogy for further explanation.

Ok, the whole RDM bit was off topic, regardless of whether you initiated it or not.

 

[Uzor]

Ok, the whole RDM bit was off topic, regardless of whether you initiated it or not.

I don't think we've stated otherwise.