Ariesol and Hellstorm from Serene Eternity

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Hah, I read this whole thing but this line is really cute. GM's hardly do anything not cause people don't do things wrong, its because they're dipshits. I have seen level 75 peolpe die to Mee Deggi after claim and not even engage, kind of clear something is going on there but GM did nothing about it. While that is just one example, I'm pretty sure we all know GM's doing things about what is wrong is not right.

As far as claim. If you're a beastmaster why engage or do any magic when you could get hate from your pet? When BST's are out soloing you rarely see them engaged except at the end of the fight when they are on their last pet. They didn't need to be engaged, thats their pet's duty. Just because you took advantage of SE's rediculious claim system dosen't mean you are right. It was stealing pretty plain and simple, regardless of what GM's say. I remember the good ol' days when if a shell would wipe the other shells would give the stone up (hell, even in CaelestisST we did that and a huge chunk of your current members are from there). But it appears that greed and Byakko is greater than doing the right thing. Good for you.

i remember the good old days when people from shells that have stolen mobs, would give them back after they were stolen. *cough aspid cough*

anyways, not trying to jab at other shells, but, really this the pot calling the kettle black in this instance.
 
i remember the good old days when people from shells that have stolen mobs, would give them back after they were stolen. *cough aspid cough*

anyways, not trying to jab at other shells, but, really this the pot calling the kettle black in this instance.

HNM's is not sky. Yes we got an aspid after it went unclaimed, but it was not before Happyangel got a Fafnir from us when our outside party claimed. We merely showed them the same courtesy they showed us. I think every shell has got their share of yellow mobs and we weren't the only ones that voked that day. Hell, I even remember Kaizen getting a Fafnir from Happyangel when their outside party claimed and was geting into main alliance. But, that is HNM and has nothing to do with sky.

If they would have returned our Fafnir to us I'm sure we would have returned the same favor to them; but neither happened. If a mob goes yellow everyone spams voke at HNM's. It is just how it is.
 
Bah don't derail the thread with your petty HNMs! Were on Sky NMs! :)
 
HNM's is not sky. Yes we got an aspid after it went unclaimed, but it was not before Happyangel got a Fafnir from us when our outside party claimed. We merely showed them the same courtesy they showed us. I think every shell has got their share of yellow mobs and we weren't the only ones that voked that day. Hell, I even remember Kaizen getting a Fafnir from Happyangel when their outside party claimed and was geting into main alliance. But, that is HNM and has nothing to do with sky.

If they would have returned our Fafnir to us I'm sure we would have returned the same favor to them; but neither happened. If a mob goes yellow everyone spams voke at HNM's. It is just how it is.

not going into semantics of the other events.. but..

according to your theory, HNMs should be different stealing policy than sky NMs?? thats saying stealing is okay on certain things and not others.

stealing in any way, shape or fashion, is wrong. and thats why i said thats the pot calling the kettle black.
 
I did not request this thread to be locked. It was only a request to please not to make it bigger than it was for a short time. It was 4 am when we got done with our conversation and we were all exhausted. We planned to post later concerning what happened. The three Flock leaders that were there decided that Dejan should make the post and it would not be made until what was promised to us came through.

I will say Meghan and Alvastor were pleasant and we could have a logical discussion. This is what we had hoped for from the beginning. Instead we were ignored or basically told tough luck. Honcho did believe that Meghan would be able to straighten things out but we were told that she was a treasurer and would have no say in the matter. That's when we turned to QCDN.

We do not want to hurt the relations with Meghan more than anything. Meghan really cares about the shell and wants it to do well. And I can respect that. I do believe that there are some issues at hand with there leadership. It will be up to them to address these issues internally. I do not respect any of the other leaders in how this was handled, for it was their actions that caused this. And SE still has to own up for that. Even if the ultimate decision was never in Hellstroms hands Honcho and I turned to him as the leader. And well you know the rest from there.

Running a shell is a growing process. And I do hope that Meghan will correct the things that were done in her absence and try to put some rules in place to keep things like this from happening again.

For TheFlock we stood our ground and did not compromise ourselves to obtain a gem. We did talk out our grievances and believe that Meghan truly respected our issues.

I guess the mod that locked this post did so to try to keep this a bit under control. With maintenance coming up in a few hours many people would have this to 100 pages before the day was over. I do not want to continue the flaming at this point because of the effort of Meghan. I would like to give her that opportunity to fix things. And I am not referring to the gem. The gem means nothing if we have more of these issues in the future. Their leaders should have some dignity and respect for others they have to co-exist with in sky.
 
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i should have done this awhile ago.

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Wow 47 pages.

Didn't read much of it but roflwaffles @ people stealing a despot from anyone :D
 
this is a reticle, CmdrFly.
Synonym. One of the two is likely of British origin, I'd suspect reticule is the Imperial (or Canadian) spelling.

reticule

noun
1. a woman's drawstring handbag; usually made of net or beading or brocade; used in 18th and 19th centuries
2. a network of fine lines, dots, cross hairs, or wires in the focal plane of the eyepiece of an optical instrument [syn: reticle]
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reticule

Sounds like things will work out in the end. Good luck to all associated leaders tonight.
 
Of course we have the general mob making blanket judgement calls about the moral injustice of all this stealing and extending said judgements against anyone who was in that LS. A couple threads past we can find people arguing for the stealing of a pair of haidates. Of course the contexts are different, but why should I bother to distinguish that if the the general populace is going to ignore the individuals and the context and just blindly go after Linkshells?

Last post for me here.

Anyway.

First off, you can't confuse the stealing of mobs (or items) from RMT with the stealing of mobs (or items) from legit shells. The first is not only generally accepted but frequently downright encouraged, whilst the latter is frowned upon no matter who does it.

Secondly, you might notice that we lack what could be considered a fair judge, impartial and appointed by law. What we're left with is, in the truest sense, a Jury of your peers. Most of your peers, in fact. Not all of them read the flameboard (thankfully) but enough that you can filter through the general opinion of the vocal majority.

In this instance, the opinion of the majority is that stealing from a legit linkshell is wrong.

You can say "well, they didn't break any laws", which is true only because there ARE no laws. There are the rules set by SquareEnix, which are rather vague on the topic of stealing, and then there's... this place. Laws, at their heart, are simply a set of rules that the majority of people agreed to either impose or allow to be imposed upon them.

See my earlier statement about the opinion of the majority.
 
Dear Despot stealers,

You swine. You vulgar little maggot. Don't you know that you are pathetic? You worthless bag of filth. As we say in Texas, I'll bet you couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. You are a canker. A sore that won't go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you.

You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you. You are a bloody nardless newbie twit protohominid chromosomally aberrant caricature of a coprophagic cloacal parasitic pond scum and I wish you would go away.

You're a putrescence mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.

You are a bleating fool, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselves in recognition of what they had done.

I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell?

If you aren't an idiot, you made a world-class effort at simulating one. Try to edit your writing of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly.

You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs.

You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot.

And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake?

You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meatslapper.

On a good day you're a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go.

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you may not hear from me again for a while. I don't have enough strength left to deride your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportant trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh.

The only thing worse than your logic is your manners. I have snipped away most of what you wrote, because, well... it didn't really say anything. Your attempt at constructing a creative flame was pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of insults among a load of babbling was hardly effective... Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known, that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn't have been "right". Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you.

P.S.: You are hypocritical, greedy, violent, malevolent, vengeful, cowardly, deadly, mendacious, meretricious, loathsome, despicable, belligerent, opportunistic, barratrous, contemptible, criminal, fascistic, bigoted, racist, sexist, avaricious, tasteless, idiotic, brain-damaged, imbecilic, insane, arrogant, deceitful, demented, lame, self-righteous, Byzantine, conspiratorial, satanic, fraudulent, libelous, bilious, splenetic, spastic, ignorant, clueless, illegitimate, harmful, destructive, dumb, evasive, double-talking, devious, revisionist, narrow, manipulative, paternalistic, fundamentalist, dogmatic, idolatrous, unethical, cultic, diseased, suppressive, controlling, restrictive, malignant, deceptive, dim, crazy, weird, dystopic, stifling, uncaring, plantigrade, grim, unsympathetic, jargon-spouting, censorious, secretive, aggressive, mind-numbing, abrasive, poisonous, flagrant, self-destructive, abusive, socially-retarded, puerile, clueless, and generally Not Good.

--Author Unknown

(posted here before but i think it fits, dont you?)
 
I swear to god, next person who uses that goddamn auto complaint generator is getting stabbed in the throat.
 
Not reading all those long pages.

So forgive me if someone brought this up already.

I'm aware The Flock is a BST/pet oriented shell.

You not have a NIN, PLD, or someone to voke for pet-swap to maintain claim and reverse tank until pet hate is re-established to avoid this?

I'm still new and don't have sky access to know how it works up there, but would this be a viable solution to prevent this from happening again yes?

Pretty scummy thing to do if a majority of the members of SE wanted to return the mob, but hey telling your members to STFU is a surefire way to keep that morale up and that roster capped.

My best to The Flock and those of SE who took a stand.

- Lec
 
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Wow, all this topic taught me was that there's a bunch of incoherent retards in Sky.


I demand a refund, or at least a funny cat.
 
The 470 posts and 17,486 views would suggest otherwise.

sculli said:
I deleted about 30 pages worth of crap from this thread. The overwhelming majority was one-liner thread crappers. It is possible, but very unlikely that I deleted a post by a Valkyrs member explaining what happened and how they propose to fix this.

I don't quite understand how this thread grew to as many pages as it did. The situation seems clear, Valkyrs ninjad a stone, what's there to argue.
The decent thing would be to make it up to those who were shafted. It's not impossible to make up for it, and would only take a small gesture of good will to do so, yet the Valkyrs people seem to not give a fuck.

Draw your own conclusions.

That is part of a thread about the exact same thing, but back when ulli was the bottleneck of sky. After around 80 pages the absolute conclusion was noone cared. There was no solution reached, the flame was pointless to continue.

My point of the post was for them not to get their hopes up.
 
Not reading all those long pages.

So forgive me if someone brought this up already.

I'm aware The Flock is a BST/pet oriented shell.

You not have a NIN, PLD, or someone to voke for pet-swap to maintain claim and reverse tank until pet hate is re-established to avoid this?

I'm still new and don't have sky access to know how it works up there, but would this be a viable solution to prevent this from happening again yes?

Pretty scummy thing to do if a majority of the members of SE wanted to return the mob, but hey telling your members to STFU is a surefire way to keep that morale up and that roster capped.

My best to The Flock and those of SE who took a stand.

- Lec

You definetly missed the point. The thing is the monster didnt go yellow period. TheFlock simple had a red monster somehow become vokable by somone not in the alliance and it got stolen without shitfing to yellow. Would you honestly expect for an exp monster you are in the middle of fighting to suddenly be claimed by someone else while you are attacking it? You wouldnt and as such forseeing such an occurance is not logical in any way unless you are paraniod.
 
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