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Oh, and in my shell. The #1 rule is to treat everyone with respect(especially with people outside the shell).
Instead of saying that my shell is a good shell, I (as leader) would have apologized on behalf of my members. Since their actions are reflective of me.
*sorry for the back to back post*
Instead of saying that my shell is a good shell, I (as leader) would have apologized on behalf of my members. Since their actions are reflective of me.
*sorry for the back to back post*
OK. So instead of starting a ridiculous flamewar targetted an an entire shell due to an incident which involved one person, why did you not handle this in-game? Your /tell keys broken or what? I honestly don't see what you're trying to accomplish here, but if you were going for an apology you might have tried a different approach other than "you trained me. you are an ass. fu fu fu" because other than probably pissing off the person in question (and making yourself look like a whiner) you haven't done a whole lot. Good luck to you in resolving this issue. I hope you can find a productive approach in solving it.
This thread is about shit that other people did. I never ask for an apology. ASKING for an apology is like trying to get a bank robber to say they're sorry.
Now Almaut had some questions that needed to be explained. It took 3 post, but I guess it'll take one more to explain it to you.
When people do shit, sometimes their names gets put on the flameboard. And if I happend to put it on a thread about your shell, its because I associate Kisada with Acension.
If you dont like it, then dont associate with him.
Now Almaut had some questions that needed to be explained. It took 3 post, but I guess it'll take one more to explain it to you.
When people do shit, sometimes their names gets put on the flameboard. And if I happend to put it on a thread about your shell, its because I associate Kisada with Acension.
If you dont like it, then dont associate with him.
Well now that you have heard one side, lets hear the other:
Narishima can be pulled to the troma camp, the people fighting Narishima can die, and Narishima will just return to camp no problem. Unless of course, someone from one of the exp pts there decides to help by healing the person tanking Narishima, and that is exactly what happened here.
Kisada was fighting Narishima in the exp camp area, but far enough away that if he died, Nari would just go away. What Vil fails to mention is that the RDM in his PT decided to heal Kisada during the battle, thus drawing hate. As soon as Kis died, Nari took off for Vil's PT and killed the RDM. The RDM was the only one to lose exp because then their NIN voked and 2 houred while the rest of the team escaped.
So you are attacking our shell because you had a RDM in your PT who tried to help someone out by healing them. You may have a personal problem with Kisada, but his actions here in no way warrant this attack on our Linkshell.
Narishima can be pulled to the troma camp, the people fighting Narishima can die, and Narishima will just return to camp no problem. Unless of course, someone from one of the exp pts there decides to help by healing the person tanking Narishima, and that is exactly what happened here.
Kisada was fighting Narishima in the exp camp area, but far enough away that if he died, Nari would just go away. What Vil fails to mention is that the RDM in his PT decided to heal Kisada during the battle, thus drawing hate. As soon as Kis died, Nari took off for Vil's PT and killed the RDM. The RDM was the only one to lose exp because then their NIN voked and 2 houred while the rest of the team escaped.
So you are attacking our shell because you had a RDM in your PT who tried to help someone out by healing them. You may have a personal problem with Kisada, but his actions here in no way warrant this attack on our Linkshell.
You never said why it wasn't handled ingame. I can only assume you don't want a resolution. You want your 15 minutes? OK, here you go.
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Done. If you want a solution to whatever you're trying to prove, take it up with Kisada and stop being such a tard. It was fun seeing you frantically write all these replies, but we're finished talking here about it. See you ingame.
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Done. If you want a solution to whatever you're trying to prove, take it up with Kisada and stop being such a tard. It was fun seeing you frantically write all these replies, but we're finished talking here about it. See you ingame.
Only if they're doing it to you, Svina. Hi. 
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Liefe said:Only if they're doing it to you, Svina. Hi.
Hello!
Well look at it this way. I solo a lotta things, and Aquarius for one thing is a danger to lower level camps in that area, some of which like to pull from the tunnels. If I claim him, I immediately tell anyone in the area (danger) (Take care.) or just "WATCH OUT CUZ I MIGHT DIE BUT NOT USUALLY LOLOL" and they usually listen to me, cause it's an obvious and kinda "duh" thing. If Kisada could have warned them in the very least there was a danger to their camp (in the form of him losing control of his mess), that would go a lot farther than just assuming he's hot shit (which, obviously he's a goober nin, hee!) and trying to solo something that ate him quite easily, which resulted in other people being harmed.
But really, let's just say maturely he grossly overestimated his abilities and assumed he would win. Well fine, but that doesn't change the fact that he neither apologized nor warned them beforehand that there would be some kind of danger.
It seems you guys -still- need to learn some common courtesy and respect for other people.
I attack Kisada and it happened to be on a thread about your shell. Probably a mistake to do so, as Almaut pointed. Guess it got you all in a mood that one of your members is giving you a bad rep.
Actually, I have respect for your shell and all that jazz. (There feel better?)
But even so, what's wrong with associating Kisada with Acension. So you feel hurt that one of your members did something bad.
Actually, I have respect for your shell and all that jazz. (There feel better?)
But even so, what's wrong with associating Kisada with Acension. So you feel hurt that one of your members did something bad.
Svina said:Liefe said:Only if they're doing it to you, Svina. Hi.
Hello!
Well look at it this way. I solo a lotta things, and Aquarius for one thing is a danger to lower level camps in that area, some of which like to pull from the tunnels. If I claim him, I immediately tell anyone in the area (danger) (Take care.) or just "WATCH OUT CUZ I MIGHT DIE BUT NOT USUALLY LOLOL" and they usually listen to me, cause it's an obvious and kinda "duh" thing. If Kisada could have warned them in the very least there was a danger to their camp (in the form of him losing control of his mess), that would go a lot farther than just assuming he's hot shit (which, obviously he's a goober nin, hee!) and trying to solo something that ate him quite easily, which resulted in other people being harmed.
But really, let's just say maturely he grossly overestimated his abilities and assumed he would win. Well fine, but that doesn't change the fact that he neither apologized nor warned them beforehand that there would be some kind of danger.
It seems you guys -still- need to learn some common courtesy and respect for other people.
If you had read what Dua had posted, you would have realized that Kis isn't even to blame here. Unlike you, Kis doesn't have to play track star while fighting Narishima. He was at enough distance away from the party so that if the RDM had not cured him, Narishima wouldn't have gone for everyone else.
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Almaut said:
Hmm... sneaky post =o... ok then in that case if the RDM healed him that was just dumb and you guys shoulda chainspell escaped immediately. And hells yea I gotta play track star! Show me a SMN who straight up tanks any hard hitting NM after his pet dies every few seconds and I'll give you a fuckin cookie, no a MAGIC cookie!
On the subject at hand
It is obvious your pt was aware that he had pulled it, or the RDM wouldn't cured him. Furthermore, because it was the action of member in your pt that caused you all to die, this flame is unwarranted.
I agree that if you endanger another group by pulling a NM within their aggro range that you should warn them, when we pulled Ungur past a pt we let them know to be careful after wiping b/c our tank died during the pull and he was headed back their way (you were there Villarel... you saw us dead, and when you went to get the gob for the o.bow, i am sure you saw the pt there still alive). However, he did what he needed to do to keep you safe, that is, he stayed far enough away from you all to keep you from getting aggroed... where is the fault in his actions here then?
Definitions and Flame Etiquette
The understood definition of MPK is to "intentionally kill someone else with a monster", which, even if it had been Kisada's fault that you and your RDM died, is not the case here.
Flames are fine, they happen... i think the most offensive thing to those of us in Ascension, and the reason you got such a large response from us, is that you brought back a flame that had been closed by the person who started it rather then starting your own. The issue presented in this thread had been resolved, but you have brought it back up along with yours. Generally... when a new issues comes up they are given a fresh thread, Hell... there were like 3 "i hate gil sellers" threads on the first page alone for one time. Why then piggy back on another thread that has been dead for a long time, unless you want the past argument to help further your case that members of our shell are asshats? Meh, you said that it was probably incorrect to bring up new grievances on an old thread, so whatever.
On Courtesy
It is not courteous, since you choose to lecture some people on the subject and claim that our shell and its members lack this quality, to accuse someone of something they didn't do... Or, in this case, tell a biased and hyperbolized story about an event that happened, intending to cause someone who was without fault to look bad, simply because you feel like it.
Your post was not a flame, but rather libel.
Apologies
Villarel didn't ask for an apology, and it sounds like Villarel and Kisada had talked in game anyway... As for it being beyond our abilities, would an apology from anyone other then Kisada who was the person involved with the even mean anything? hmmm...
I don't know, perhaps to Villarel it would but many people do not care for apologies by proxy. That said I am not disinclined to apologize on behalf of my members, i have done so in the past. If it were the fault of my member i would do so now, but if I were to type out an apology for what actually happened I would sound like a sarcastic poo-head, so I won't.
Finishing up
on a final note about respect, our shell has such a value as well, although it is broken in some cases because of personal feuds (just look down a few posts to see one such instance... /sigh).
(meh... I hate end of term... even responses to a flame come out like an essay '-';; )
Villarel said:
It is obvious your pt was aware that he had pulled it, or the RDM wouldn't cured him. Furthermore, because it was the action of member in your pt that caused you all to die, this flame is unwarranted.
I agree that if you endanger another group by pulling a NM within their aggro range that you should warn them, when we pulled Ungur past a pt we let them know to be careful after wiping b/c our tank died during the pull and he was headed back their way (you were there Villarel... you saw us dead, and when you went to get the gob for the o.bow, i am sure you saw the pt there still alive). However, he did what he needed to do to keep you safe, that is, he stayed far enough away from you all to keep you from getting aggroed... where is the fault in his actions here then?
Definitions and Flame Etiquette
The understood definition of MPK is to "intentionally kill someone else with a monster", which, even if it had been Kisada's fault that you and your RDM died, is not the case here.
Flames are fine, they happen... i think the most offensive thing to those of us in Ascension, and the reason you got such a large response from us, is that you brought back a flame that had been closed by the person who started it rather then starting your own. The issue presented in this thread had been resolved, but you have brought it back up along with yours. Generally... when a new issues comes up they are given a fresh thread, Hell... there were like 3 "i hate gil sellers" threads on the first page alone for one time. Why then piggy back on another thread that has been dead for a long time, unless you want the past argument to help further your case that members of our shell are asshats? Meh, you said that it was probably incorrect to bring up new grievances on an old thread, so whatever.
On Courtesy
It is not courteous, since you choose to lecture some people on the subject and claim that our shell and its members lack this quality, to accuse someone of something they didn't do... Or, in this case, tell a biased and hyperbolized story about an event that happened, intending to cause someone who was without fault to look bad, simply because you feel like it.
Your post was not a flame, but rather libel.
Apologies
Svina said:
Villarel didn't ask for an apology, and it sounds like Villarel and Kisada had talked in game anyway... As for it being beyond our abilities, would an apology from anyone other then Kisada who was the person involved with the even mean anything? hmmm...
Villarel said:
I don't know, perhaps to Villarel it would but many people do not care for apologies by proxy. That said I am not disinclined to apologize on behalf of my members, i have done so in the past. If it were the fault of my member i would do so now, but if I were to type out an apology for what actually happened I would sound like a sarcastic poo-head, so I won't.
Finishing up
on a final note about respect, our shell has such a value as well, although it is broken in some cases because of personal feuds (just look down a few posts to see one such instance... /sigh).
(meh... I hate end of term... even responses to a flame come out like an essay '-';; )
Nasya said:
Some of our PT member had our backs turn to the mob. Not all of us were prepared for Narishma. Some may have seen it. Most did not. Sure, the stupid RDM didn't leave well enough alone. But not even saying anything when you're pulling NM to xp area still warrants a flame.
Villarel said:
Definition
Warn: verb To make aware in advance of actual or potential harm, danger, or evil.
Application
If your RDM hadn't cured Kisada, would you have been aggroed?
Answer: Nope... at least not from what is said in this forum. Of course I was not there, but from everything that has been said you would have been fine. Kisada is well aware of aggro ranges, and Manticores are sight so as long as he positioned it facing away from you and towards its spawn point you would not have gotten aggro. Further evidence that it was the fault of the RDM, asside from your admitting it in the above quote, is that you were aggroed instantly after his death, generally monsters have a latent period before they notice their next prey.
Therefore, you were not put in "potential harm" by Kisada, meaning there was no need to issue a warning, rendering your justification for your 'flame', more properly called libel, invalid.
Conclusion
If anyone is at fault, it is your RDM who failed to warn the pt that he/she had helped someone who might die, and thus had endangered your pt, which previously had been safe.
I don't mind flames, i don't mind rants... i think it is healthy to let off steam every now and again. However, flames/rants are based on facts, not imcomplete recounts of events which paint a scewed version of reality, causing blame to fall on someone who was not responciple for the offending act. A rant/flame is by definition directed towards the direct cause of the event one is writing about, in this case that would be your RDM.
Dua said:
Screw it being at attack on our linkshell, or an attack on him. Regardless of your target, there is no justifictation for your actions other than your (bad) "mood". Therefore, i am sorry you had a bad day, and i hope tomorrow is better. I am also sorry(in the non-appologetic, regretful sense of the word), that you saw fit to vent your frustrations on Kisada.
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