Bandwagon jobs going to see more?

[Kire]

I think kires ide was to mkp the people holding 4-5 mobs at once.
since they tend to go yellow often using diaga will A.) screw with thier exp b. make em unable to sleep the mob resulting in a dead brd or rdm or blm.

yeah holding 1 mob so wars etc can keep fighting ok holding 3+ stopping overs exp is not right and desvre to be diaged

 

[ceram]

Lot's of PLD I know use monk or bard or those type of jobs to get merits.
they are not bandwagon, they had lvl those jobs to 75 before extansion was released.
Now it is not their fault if they use those jobs to get the merits. It is SE fault who tested the new area so they have noticed the problem.

Also no one talk about the fact that in new Area BLM does not get invite, mine is lvl 63-64 and I don't get invite because of mobs reflecting magic. that's life I deal with that. It will take me a year to do 64-75 on blm.

 

[mdkuser]

go level in bibiki its better than new areas 65-70. Its true than BLM invite rate sucks
65-75. I soloed/duoed 70-75 on wamooras for 5k/h and that was fine. The reasone for that is melee burns and JP ONRY shit. I stoped seeking on BLM after i seek for 5 hours, and get two invites from JP, then they refused because JP onry. Now i blacklist all JP onry invites, and all that refuse to pt with me because " cannon" only.

I dont understand why people invite always invite the same job. I like to do pt with random melee jobs (including at least a war or nin) and a healer and a rdm or brd ( brd unlikely), and get 8k min?hour. Someone said they pull 25k/hour with them, i doubt its true, or at least you would need perfect conditions for that ( only one pt at camp , people not going AFK evry 5mn, etc). If you always get 25k/hour then i might quit the game now.

Btw this no invite shit since ToA realease is really pissing me. And thats one of the reasons why my best friend Pchan has quit the game.

 

[ceram]

go level in bibiki its better than new areas 65-70. Its true than BLM invite rate sucks
65-75. I soloed/duoed 70-75 on wamooras for 5k/h and that was fine. The reasone for that is melee burns and JP ONRY shit. I stoped seeking on BLM after i seek for 5 hours, and get two invites from JP, then they refused because JP onry. Now i blacklist all JP onry invites, and all that refuse to pt with me because " cannon" only.

I dont understand why people invite always invite the same job. I like to do pt with random melee jobs (including at least a war or nin) and a healer and a rdm or brd ( brd unlikely), and get 8k min?hour. Someone said they pull 25k/hour with them, i doubt its true, or at least you would need perfect conditions for that ( only one pt at camp , people not going AFK evry 5mn, etc). If you always get 25k/hour then i might quit the game now.

Btw this no invite shit since ToA realease is really pissing me. And thats one of the reasons why my best friend Pchan has quit the game.

25k/hour I say lol.
I did a lot of XP canon in perfect condition and you can hardly do more than 15k/hour really. mostly you will get 10k/hour usually.

Also I am a monk and this is my only 75 job, and when I seek if I am invited I accept all kind of party, as long as I have a healer and a refresher. I did "Canon" with 2 sam + 1 thf, with pld rng et blm, smn and really the xp was close to 8k/hour, so if you are lvl 75 I think in merit party 8k/hour is ok.

Now I don't invite anymore people who put in comments Canon only. I had someone who refused one of my invite because there was a dark in the party, this one is blisted for ever, and I can tell you this is someone I always see online.

for the JP only, I don't even seek now during JP time because I just don't want to ask them to party with me. I did a lot of efforts when I was trying to go to 75 my first job, but now lol I don't. JP only .... fine go on waiting for a party!

 

[Kire]

25k a hr
2 brds
1-2 war/nins with ridill
and 2 other nin/war or war/nins

 

[mdkuser]

lie.

btw JP onry shit is not only during JP prime, since the recists japonsese seek at all hours of the day. Some JP are nice and accept though.

 

[ceram]

25k a hr
2 brds
1-2 war/nins with ridill
and 2 other nin/war or war/nins

It is that type of post who make people so selective about what job they will get. The 25k/hour is the exeption. Average is 10-12k/hour.

If you are meriting you are not that much in a hurry of xp. And with no healer for sure this setup will get a lot of dead. Plus you need to be alone at zone. which mean that never happen

 

[ceram]

lie.

btw JP onry shit is not only during JP prime, since the recists japonsese seek at all hours of the day. Some JP are nice and accept though.

During JP peak time they don't accept, but when it is NA time they do. I have noticed some of them are JP only and then at some point they change the comment to English JP Party ok. That's pathetic

 

[Kire]

During JP peak time they don't accept, but when it is NA time they do. I have noticed some of them are JP only and then at some point they change the comment to English JP Party ok. That's pathetic

i had around 100 jps on blacklist as JP ONLY
ever got into a party when one was in i would leave or ask them to be kicked as i do not want to exp with a person like that
and people liked brds over wars whms etc xD

 

[Khajit]

5k/hr is what you get when you go to a crowded area with a mediocre party; Blm in a melee party, smn main healer, etc. When you spend more time waiting on pops than you do fighting, you're not going to pull 8-10k/hr.

I've gotten 10k an hour with a blm in a melee party in the mire. Just don't give a shit about how much mp the blm has and you can do decently with em since a party can function well with 5 people in that easy as hell area. Any blm should have the cheap "refresh" cloak by 70+ easily and in addition to sanction ect they can get thier mp back fast enough to contribute some nukes. Kill shots tend to be the best timing to drop a 1k+ nuke ect.
I'm not saying blm is ZOMG t3h best for melee parties but considering that one can still get 10k per hour in a semi crowded area I'd say they dont make the huge negative impact that youre saying they have. Are they less suited to melee parties? Damned right. Mage is the opposite of melee. They won't however make automatic 5k an hour exp.
I'd change that 8-10k an hour into 8-12k btw. It requires Good players and a setup almost like that of a cannon pt but over 10k is possible with a lack of eccessive competition and a good sleeper.

war/nin thf/nin mnk/nin nin/war whm/blm rdm/whm. I'm sure you're thinking it sounds alot like a cannon pt to you but
A.) The ninja was decked in eva gear. Ninja wear DD gear in cannons.
B.) The positions of whm and rdm in a cannon are interchangable but both at the same time isn't cannon. It's either brd+ whm or rdm+ brd.
C.) The ninja was the tank. In a cannon the person whomever does the most damage/emnity is the tank. After the initial voke off the mages its a beatdown and womever gets have gets hate. hate swaps around alot ect in a cannon pt. Since noone but the ninja had ni he was the only one that should have been trying to tank(random 900+damage rampages dont count as a voke) In a party with 4-5 war/nin or nin/war noone cares who is tanking unless they get hit and then the monster gets voked off/rampaged to death. If I could have used trick attack on anyone other than the ninja it would have been a cannon pt or close enough for me to classify it as one.

 

[Kire]

war/nin thf/nin mnk/nin nin/war whm/blm rdm/whm. I'm sure you're thinking it sounds alot like a cannon pt to you but
A.) The ninja was decked in eva gear. Ninja wear DD gear in cannons.
B.) The positions of whm and rdm in a cannon are interchangable but both at the same time isn't cannon. It's either brd+ whm or rdm+ brd.
C.) The ninja was the tank. In a cannon the person whomever does the most damage is the tank. and hate swaps around alot ect. in a party with 4-5 war/nin or nin/war noone cares who is tanking unless they get hit and then the monster gets voked off/rampaged to death.

Doing most damage does not mean you are a tank some wars get more enmity then other wars as have +enmity merits or got some gear that does

 

[Khajit]

While this is true the ninja was the only one voking. I'll edit that to whomever gets the most damage, while one member isnt voke spamming and gets hate.

 

[Kire]

While this is true the ninja was the only one voking. I'll edit that to whomever gets the most damage, while one member isnt voke spamming and gets hate.

Hate is made up of alot of numbers the damage you make every JA and spell you do your +/- enmity gear or merits just because you voke spam does not also mean you get hate, it is possable for a brd to get more hate thena pld (even when the pld 2 hours)
also i seen plds in cannon with more hate then other jobs and they dont spam voke (they cant voke is recast 30secs you would of killed 3 mobs by then)
so has alot of factors.

 

[Khajit]

Hate is made up of alot of numbers the damage you make every JA and spell you do your +/- enmity gear or merits just because you voke spam does not also mean you get hate, it is possable for a brd to get more hate thena pld (even when the pld 2 hours)
also i seen plds in cannon with more hate then other jobs and they dont spam voke (they cant voke is recast 30secs you would of killed 3 mobs by then)
so has alot of factors.

Yeha yeah we know there are exceptions to everything. If a brd is getting eccessive hate they are being stupid though and if its vs a pld... The pld just fucking sucks. ONly situation where a brd should have eccessive hate is when somone is being an idiot and not voking it off the brd. Voking off a "paper" mage and trying to be a main tank are 2 different things.

OK so if you kill 3 mobs every 30 seconds thats 1 mob every 10 seconds. How does that not scream cannon pt? No way a person can voke and be main tank on a different mob every 10 seconds. cannon= no "classic" tank. i.e. a person purposely trying to be the ONLY one with hate.

 

[Kire]

Yeha yeah we know there are exceptions to everything. If a brd is getting eccessive hate they are being stupid though and if its vs a pld... The pld just fucking sucks.

OK so if you kill 3 mobs every 30 seconds thats 1 mob every 10 seconds. How does that not scream cannon pt? No way a person can voke and be main tank on a different mob every 10 seconds. cannon= no "classic" tank. i.e. a person purposely trying to be the ONLY one with hate.

no classic tank?
war is a tank yes
nin is a tank yes?
pld is a tank yes

war dd yes
nin dd yes
pld dd...... err okish

and normaly is a cannon lol

 

[Khajit]

A classic tank is a person trying to be the only one with hate. if you have 4 ninja in the same group none of em are going to give a shit if they lose hate to a different ninja.

 

[Stouter]

"Sucks at parties" is often pretty synonymous with "Useful at endgame", and vice versa, or so it seems today. If anything, these jobs deserve parties to return the favor. Endgame jobs get EXP jobs their loot, and EXP jobs get endgame jobs their EXP. It doesn't seem right to benefit from these jobs where they excel only to turn them away when the same jobs need a hand.

That's why I said I'll party with my firends that aren't the ideal jobs, not strangers. I don't give a crap if some random smn I've never met loses a ton of exp at while getting his ls-mates gear in wyrm fights, he's not getting into my party.

.I dont understand why people invite always invite the same job. I like to do pt with random melee jobs (including at least a war or nin) and a healer and a rdm or brd ( brd unlikely), and get 8k min?hour. Someone said they pull 25k/hour with them, i doubt its true, or at least you would need perfect conditions for that ( only one pt at camp , people not going AFK evry 5mn, etc). If you always get 25k/hour then i might quit the game now

Yes 25k/hr takes one hell of a party, and you need a camp to yourself. I broke 20k/hr in KRT before ToAU even came out.

I'd change that 8-10k an hour into 8-12k btw. It requires Good players and a setup almost like that of a cannon pt but over 10k is possible with a lack of eccessive competition and a good sleeper.

That's not a randomly thrown together party picked from jobs seeking, that's 5 people of ideal jobs and one leech.

My only beef with cannons is that most people are horrible at them. To most DD's cannon means TP spam. Hit hard do a lot of ws's. I've only partied with one war/nin ever that voked mobs that the bard had slept, and less than 1/4 of all war's I've partied with even use Provoke. I've reached the point where I stopped trying to remember all the bad cannon players and just remember the few good ones, if I remember the name but don't remember them being good, I'm hesitant about partying with them.

 

[Khajit]

Which person is the leech btw? The eva gear ninja? The thf that did more/the same damage than rampage consistently and prevented the war/nin from tanking? I doubt youre gonna say the war/nin. The whm who was there instead of a brd? The mnk/nin who didnt use ashuran fists?(The mnk might have not been the right level for it. I didnt check levels too much since I'd been lfp so long i'd fallen asleep from bordeom while soloing)
EDIT: noone was lv 74 so ni wasnt in the picture for the mnk mself and the war.

 

[Mai Ikari]

Which person is the leech btw? The eva gear ninja? The thf that did more/the same damage than rampage consistently and prevented the war/nin from tanking? I doubt youre gonna say the war/nin. The whm who was there instead of a brd? The mnk/nin who didnt use ashuran fists?(The mnk might have not been the right level for it. I didnt check levels too much since I'd been lfp so long i'd fallen asleep from bordeom while soloing)
EDIT: noone was lv 74 so ni wasnt in the picture for the mnk mself and the war.

The MNK/NIN for not using asuran fists.

 

[Khajit]

Hmm now that I realize there was no way the jp mnk shouldnt have had ashuran fists I wish I could remember the name so that I can ask if they have it next time....