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Lanien said:
Been looking at systems, I don't play too many games so not looking for anything very intense. Thoughts?

i5-3570K Processor (4x 3.40GHz/6MB L3 Cache) - Intel Core i5-3570K )
8 GB [4 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 Ti - 2GB
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I'm going to warn against the 650ti. As for why, I have two reasons. First being the numbering system, in the case you don't know how that works: It's the 6th generation "50 model" (650), the significance being that Nvidia's 50 models are budget cards, not actually cards better than those of the 5th generation. For example, the 560ti is a much better card than the 650ti, with generally comparable prices, as are some of the 4xx models. Second, I have a GTX 670 FTW model (so it uses the same parts as the top tier 680 down to the PCB). FFXIV doesn't tax it, but it runs it through its paces pretty damn good. I don't see a 50 model card doing any sort of justice to this game at all, however, I'll look in to that for you as I have been surprised before by the 550ti. I have a friend with a spare 550ti Turbo (which the 650 isn't much better than save for power consumption) that I can borrow and toss in my machine and see how it goes. I'll get back with you on this.

The processor is great, but I don't like how unspecific you are on the memory. From my experience people who do not list a brand and such for the memory think "memory is memory." Less you want to be in my position, where my CPU doesn't fully utilize my memory, which creates a bottleneck (the only unfortunate byproduct of using the AMD Phenom II x64 Blacks). It's still worth it, but with an Intel you don't have to worry about this if you just choose the right memory. Typically, but you'll have to research your MB and CPU charts to see, GSKill brands go hand in hand with Intel CPUs and are tuned to run at max potential.
 
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I'm going to warn against the 650ti. As for why, I have two reasons. First being the numbering system, in the case you don't know how that works: It's the 6th generation "50 model" (650), the significance being that Nvidia's 50 models are budget cards, not actually cards better than those of the 5th generation. For example, the 560ti is a much better card than the 650ti, with generally comparable prices, as are some of the 4xx models. Second, I have a GTX 670 FTW model (so it uses the same parts as the top tier 680 down to the PCB). FFXIV doesn't tax it, but it runs it through its paces pretty damn good. I don't see a 50 model card doing any sort of justice to this game at all, however, I'll look in to that for you as I have been surprised before by the 550ti. I have a friend with a spare 550ti Turbo (which the 650 isn't much better than save for power consumption) that I can borrow and toss in my machine and see how it goes. I'll get back with you on this.

The processor is great, but I don't like how unspecific you are on the memory. From my experience people who do not list a brand and such for the memory think "memory is memory." Less you want to be in my position, where my CPU doesn't fully utilize my memory, which creates a bottleneck (the only unfortunate byproduct of using the AMD Phenom II x64 Blacks). It's still worth it, but with an Intel you don't have to worry about this if you just choose the right memory. Typically, but you'll have to research your MB and CPU charts to see, GSKill brands go hand in hand with Intel CPUs and are tuned to run at max potential.
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I don't know what most of these words mean lol I don't know much about hardware at all, so I just look up reviews for parts *shrug*

Still haven't finalized the system. I was just copying and pasting what the parts list was in the cart. As far as the processor, it's either the i5 I put before or i7-3770 Processor (4x 3.40GHz/8MB L3 Cache). I'm not really worried about pricing too much. I don't need top of the line anything, but I'd like a system to last for a bit before I have to upgrade parts.

Memory, just said 8 GB [4 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory, Corsair or Major Brand lol There was an option for G.Skill Ripjaws X. Would that be better?

And for the graphics card, I kind of just picked one lol I'm not putting the system together myself since I don't really know how, so I had to go with options listed. Would a Radeon HD 7870 perform better? Only a little bit more.

Apologies for not knowing anything! lol
 
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Lanien! I just found a post over a BG Forums where another user has the same processor you got. They got a score of 6611 with a GTX 680.

Check Post #43:
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/11...Exploration-Now-Available!-(02-22-2013)/page3

Basically proves that your PC is still viable, just need to update your graphics card. I have an i7 2600k (Sandy-Bridge), 32GB G.Skill Ripjaw Memory, Radeon HD 6870 and only scored in the 5,000 range. Which means GPU is going to be more useful for you than an entire system overhaul. Just my opinion, but if you're itching to get a new build by all means go for it, it's whatever makes you happy.
 
That's good to know Voltorb, thanks. Still not sure what I want to do. And I know this is going to sound weird, but I think I remember when I put this graphics card in, I had to do something weird to get it to fit. I think it was too big or something and had this monstrous yellow thing on it I had to take off lol I did take it out of one system to put in another, so maybe it had some extra case/support thing on it since the original case was much bigger. *shrug* So long ago I forget exactly what I did lol
 
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why dont you dust off your Ps3 and break out OomChuckaWilly...

cuz you know, consoles > pc...
 
lol I haven't turned that thing on in a long time.
 
Yeah, the Ripjaw line should be tuned to Intel pretty hardcore. If price isn't a big deal, go with the i7 for future-proof. If you get an i5 you're looking at about a 3-4 year build, but an i7... who knows. I can't tell you anything about Radeon cards anymore. In my experience ATI drivers are terrible and cause tons of problems in PC games (i.e. it took them months to make RAGE playable) so I just stick with Nvidia. They may be reliable now again though, but I'm done with them until Nvidia makes me go back. That said, I can't suggest, as per Volt's post (not saying he suggested it though), a GTX 680. It's a bit overpriced compared to the 670. My GTX 670 FTW didn't cost near as much, it used the exact same parts, and with the base overclock its performance is on par with a stock 680. That said, the 670 has color wash with HDMI on some displays; it's an odd driver issue that only seems to effect -some- 670s on -some- displays. If money is no object, sure, maybe go for the GTX 680 but if you want something that'll last a good 2-3 years and wont break you, go with a GTX 660ti or 560t - a 670 FTW will probably crush games for another 4-5 years.

If I was you and money was no concern: i7, Ripjaw RAM (at least 8GB @ 1600), and for GPU see above. The only thing I'd spend extra on, GPU wise, is sense you'll be playing MMORPGS, maybe get a GPU with more than 2GB RAM... I'm sure that'd be pretty damn sweet, especially with a game like XIV 2.0 which seems, as Volt said, more GPU intensive than CPU. Oh, and don't skimp on a motherboard either. I'm not saying spend $200-300 on one, more so around $125 range. No point in having all this nice stuff if you're plugging it into a board with "so-so" compatability with all the parts. Generally cheap RAM and MoBos are corner-cut to hell and back.

And don't ever be sorry for being ignorant unless you're pretending not to be ignorant. This is how you learn what's up.
 
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Thanks for the advice. I'll probably put the final build together sometime this coming week ^^
 
No problem, good luck and if you run into anything else just bring it up.
 
Personally, with a pc that will run it even on just the medium settings (which you will barely notice a quality difference no matter what settings you run on, Its not like the drastic difference in quality in FFXI) I wouldn't touch the Ps3 version, The difference in frame rate is annoyingly noticeable as shown in this comparison video.
 
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No doubt the PC version will be the best, especially since they aren't throttling it to keep both version samey, like they did with XI for the longest time, but I highly doubt that horrible frame rate is horrible upon release. If I recall, during that same presentation SE's goons mentioned that the framerate was terrible now, but that wouldn't persist, as it was an early conversion with little optimization. Even if that was in my dreams though, if they release it like that, they better just get ready for a good portion of their audience to treat 2.0 like 1.0 when it launched; they can't afford that again and they know it.
 
What's the difference between the 660 and a 660 Ti?

And motherboard, Gigabyte GA-Z77-HD3 any good? Or the GA-Z77X-D3H? lol
 
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I admit Ive done little research into my question, but does anyone know if original purchasers of ffxiv have to buy the game again ? I bought the collectors edition when it released and logged about 50 hours into it before it went down.
 
I actually asked this question quite a bit ago in Rips's FFXIV:ARR Compilation thread. His answer:
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If you bought the CE for v.1.0 SE is allowing those players to download the special edition FFXIV:ARR for free. So we,re going to get the extra perks that others have'nt.
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So, yeah, apparently it wasn't a big waste after all. Thank god.
 
Lanien said:
What's the difference between the 660 and a 660 Ti?

And motherboard, Gigabyte GA-Z77-HD3 any good? Or the GA-Z77X-D3H? lol
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The 660 and 660ti differences are primarily less cuda cores (processing) and a lower memory bandwidth and count. Typically though, there are two sides to this argument. One side agrees that the 660ti is the preferred card, the other believes that while it may be better, it's only 10-15% better and thus not worth the extra money. That said, the general price difference on Newegg seems to be around $60 (of course though there are some outlier cards)... at that point it'd be better to just get a good 660ti in my opinion if the 660 line was my only option.

The reason why I still suggested/used a 560ti, despite the 660ti being around, is that it has a 256-bit memory interface while the 660 line only has 192-bit. On the other hand, the 660 line has much, much more cores so maybe it evens out. Me, I couldn't decide which route was better so I said to hell with it, I'd rather have a PC that lasts than to be upgrading it again in another year or so, or have it do questionable things, so I went with the 670 FTW from EVGA.

As for the MoBos, let's see you're in the 3xxx series so that's the LGA 2011 socket MoBos and unless I'm missing something (I haven't used Intel in a long, long time but that's about to change), neither of those MoBos will fit your CPU. Ouch, the i7 calls for an expensive MoBo regardless, so scratch what I said earlier, with that CPU, you're going over the $150 mark for a MoBo, but it'll be well worth it.

These two pages are your MoBo choices: LGA 2011 Socket MoBos

I have done no research on i7's so I can't say which MoBo is best for you. Typically I find the one with the most total egg count at 4-5 eggs (stars) and then decide, but the problem here is that they are all really expensive, so I'd have to spend some time to decide on what to do, something I just can't do today. I have two friends with i7's, both built on a fairly strict budget and love their PC so I'll ask them about it if I see them tonight.
 
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Hmm, from what I read in reviews, the Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H fully supports i5 and i7 *shrug* But I'd rather take your word lol
 
Lanien said:
Hmm, from what I read in reviews, the Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H fully supports i5 and i7 *shrug* But I'd rather take your word lol
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The board you listed is accepts 22nm CPUs (Ivy-Bridge) Socket: LGA 1155 which is currently common for the general consumer market. The LGA 2011 board Strid is referring to are for more of the expensive processors (which I don't think you'll be getting)

I would personally go with this board though:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157329

Just a note, when purchasing boards don't let all negative reviews deter you away. I personally look at items that have at least a 60% good reviews. From personal experience any motherboard can die including "name brand" ones.
 
Any word on when the game is coming out? June-ish? I don't see pre-orders up for it yet. *shrug*
 
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