Beta Begins! Feb 25th 2013

My local GameStop has it listed as 1/1/14 in their Pre-order books, but I think it's just listed as that because it hasn't got an official date yet. Apparently GS doesn't think it will be out this year. I almost agree.
 
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My local GameStop has it listed as 1/1/14 in their Pre-order books, but I think it's just listed as that because it hasn't got an official date yet. Apparently GS doesn't think it will be out this year. I almost agree.
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If they're doing a beta already, I would think it would be within the next few months. At least that's what I would assume.
 
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The board you listed is accepts 22nm CPUs (Ivy-Bridge) Socket: LGA 1155 which is currently common for the general consumer market. The LGA 2011 board Strid is referring to are for more of the expensive processors (which I don't think you'll be getting)

I would personally go with this board though:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157329

Just a note, when purchasing boards don't let all negative reviews deter you away. I personally look at items that have at least a 60% good reviews. From personal experience any motherboard can die including "name brand" ones.
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This is where my Intel ignorance kicks in. I just went to the Intel site for that information; I searched up what kind of socket was needed for the i7-3770 and it spit out that it needed a Socket LGA 2011. I just assumed the i7-3770 was one of these more "expensive processors" not doing the most simplest of things (shown below)... Anyway, to back up Volt, Lanien, here is the proof that you can indeed use the LGA 1155 sockets:

Proof 1
Proof 2

Now, to go against Volt, I strongly, strongly discourage having one. single. thing. to do with a Micro ATX motherboard. They are small and restrictive in my experience, they also tend to heat up quicker and stay hot longer. Again, just my experiences. There is also another problem with that board, it's a B75 board, which is primarily for Sandy Bridge use (though you can fiddle it into an Ivy Bridge build if you must). You're going to want to grab one with Z77 or Z79... actually, one second...

I have the luxury of having someone on chat right now with an iCore PC and a damn good knowledge of building Intels. Going to link to you our chat:

Spoiler:
Strid: hey sorry to bug you, but i need some info fairly quick
Strid: what socket is your mobo
MetalWayner: holy crap. lemme look
Strid: needa know if it's lga 1155 or lga 2011
MetalWayner: LGA1155
Strid: sweet
Strid: Thanks man, sorry~
MetalWayner: pretty sure, i have the 22nm intel 3rd gen
Strid: alright
MetalWayner: ok, the only i7's that use LGA2011 are the i7 extreme's and the 3820 and 3930's. all other 3rd gen i7's and 2nd i7's run on LGA1155
Strid: ok cool
Strid: someone is building a pc and I couldn't tell if the 3770 needed the 1155 or the 2011
Strid: the intel site calls for it as a 2011 only
Strid: newegg says 1155 is fine
Strid: it even has 1155 in the cpu title
MetalWayner: if they use an LGA1155, make sure it has ivy bridge support or if it's sandy bridge that it's chipset is compatible with ivy bridge
MetalWayner: oh, and tell them unless they are going balls to the wall nuts with water cooling, to save money and get the non-K version of the 3770. i only put my 3770K to 4.0 turbo cuz of OCD, but i haven't done anything yet that even uses more than 40% cpu
Strid: so don't get the K?
MetalWayner: not unless you have water cooling to support it running at 5.0ghz
Strid: ok
MetalWayner: the 3770/3770K do not get beneficial performance gains from OC'ing until the 5.0ghz mark
MetalWayner: and if they really wanna save money, the i5 is basically an i7 w/o hyper-threading. just get one of the fast ones
Strid: he has no budget constraints at all it seems
Strid: i'm wondering about this too, he wants this mobo
Strid: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157329
Strid: generally micro atx mobos are restrictive because they are small, but this one seems to have all the trimmings
Strid: even dual gpu slots
MetalWayner: personally, i wouldn't cuz it's a B79 chipset
MetalWayner: atm, i'm running Z77. i'd prefer Z79
Strid: why?
MetalWayner: Z77/Z79 chipsets were built with Ivy Bridge in mind. they are super fast and have very high data transfer rates.
MetalWayner: and most of Z77/Z79 chipsets come with Ivy Bridge Bios onboard already
Strid: ok
MetalWayner: if i remember right, the B77/B79 chipsets were the enthusiast boards for 2nd gen icores. i did this with mine and asa's pcs. we're both running Z77
Strid: ah
MetalWayner: but if he doesn't have cost restrictions. i'd go X79 chipset with an i7-3930k
Strid: thanks a lot man
MetalWayner: np
MetalWayner: everyone's builing 3rd gen icore rigs lately. lol. twistid is building an i7 system also with his tax refund. i'm waiting for you to jump on the wagon now. lol
Strid: i'm thinking about taking this change I'm looking at and buying an i7 and mobo
Strid: because i'm almost certain, 100% certain
Strid: my cpu is causing a bottleneck between my ram and gpu
MetalWayner: make sure your psu supports icores and u should be g2g. i don't think any of ur parts won't work on either system though
Strid: think my psu is fairly universal
Strid: it's name brand and all
Strid: didn't skimp
MetalWayner: check for icore!
MetalWayner: lol
MetalWayner: trust me, icores watts jump literally, 20-40watts, ever cpu clock
MetalWayner: and when they turbo mode, 1 core locks at max watts while the others keep fluctiating.


And there you have it. One last thing, about brand and popularity, all that; I can't stand ASRock, I prefer ASUS with Gigabyte a strong second. Volt is right though, any board can derp out on you, so take reviews with a grain of salt, it's just generally the best way to tell which board your risk is less with. His method is solid, but me, I need higher than 60%. If it's on newegg it has to be 4 eggs (or really damn close to it) or higher and have over 100 reviews before I feel safe, anything less and I feel like I'm gambling. At this point in the i7's life, you shouldn't have any problems finding boards with high ratings and hundreds of ratings.
 
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The one I linked in chat was the MoBo Volt had suggested to you. The Gigabyte one you listed is what I would go with, personally, unless there is an ASUS that is higher rated at a cheaper price. "Tom's Hardware Approved" is a strong achievement to attain. I just asked Wayne, he says that Giga MoBo is exactly what his is. So there you go, I think I'm going to snag it myself real fast...
 
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Strid said:
The one I linked in chat was the MoBo Volt had suggested to you. The Gigabyte one you listed is what I would go with, personally, unless there is an ASUS that is higher rated at a cheaper price. "Tom's Hardware Approved" is a strong achievement to attain. I just asked Wayne, he says that Giga MoBo is exactly what his is. So there you go, I think I'm going to snag it myself real fast...
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Ah, gotcha. A bit slow on the uptake here lol
 
S'all good man. Oh, I also picked up the Maxim with Topanga from Boy Meets World in it. She's got some good stuff on you, you ol' Coke fiend you.

So the parts list so far would be:

CPU (unless you plan to go extreme on the cooling and push it to 5Ghz then go for the K version)
MoBo
Ram: 1600 G-Skill (don't go over 1600 nor under; under you get less performance over you get compatibility issues, so again, performance problems)
PSU: Just make sure it has iCore compatibility and plenty of wattage.
CPU Fan (I don't do stock cooling, nor am I a fan of extreme cooling. This is the best CPU fan for "normal" cooling, the absolute best. It comes with only one push/pull fan, buy another to complete the push/pull process [should cost $2-3]).
 
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For the B series chipset, I always thought that it didn't include (I call it premium features) the following:
- RAID
- Overclocking (or not many options to do this)
- and others features from Intel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1155

If a user plans on overclocking I would recommend going for a Z77 board as it supports more overclocking features.

If a user don't plan on overclocking I would recommend the B75 to save on the cost and put the extra savings towards other components (like a SSD) that you can benefit more from. [I fall into this category]

I use a MicroATX board for years (I have a Thermaltake Lanbox) and have no problems with heating. I've also recently had 2 Gigabyte Boards go bad (coil whine and random restarts) and an ASUS previously. But again just follow reviews and use your best judgement and choose one that seem to have a less failure rate.

What Strid recommends in terms of components I recommend but in addition to that highly recommend a Solid State Drive (SSD) as your primary Boot/Programs drive and a normal regular HDD for storage.

For power supplies I have had luck with the following brands (based on experience using these components):
CoolerMaster, Corsair, Seasonic, Antec


We should get a Tech Section on these forums lol, this thread became Lanien's PC Building thread. :)
 
Ha, that would be neat, but unfortunately given the boards population, a waste of resources.

Anyway, the only reason I disagree with picking up a B75 with an i7 is that the stock BIOS shouldn't be prepped for an i7, but for an i5. If it's not that big of a deal to tweak it, that's all well and good, but the way I look at it, it wasn't made for the i7 so though it'll support it, it wont support it near as well. There is also the issue of sending signals which apparently the newer ones tuned for i7 is way faster at (supposedly). All-in-all I'm sure a B75 will work, and work well, but if I'm pumping enough money into a machine with an i7, I wouldn't skimp and chance even the slightest performance hit just to save $20-40. That said, if he had a budget to follow, a strict one rather, I wouldn't be so adamant against it as you make a very solid point.

As for my disdain with MicroATX boards, I doubt Lanien plans to go out to LAN parties and such, making it utterly useless to have to manage a build and then maintenance around having a small board. It's just much neater, easier, and all of that, to go with a normal board. It's really restrictive in the long run, but not at all portable, you pick your poison I suppose. That said, there are quality MicroATX boards, I'm not trying to say there aren't either, just stating my preference. If I did have to think of one advantage to a MicroATX board in a mid-tower desktop build, I would say if you get/use a case with a bottom loading power supply, it'll keep the board and the GPU further from the PSU which isn't such a bad deal.

Volt I feel you on the MoBo's going bad man. I know people have had some harsh luck with what I prefer, but like you said, that goes with damn near any board anymore. It really does seem like a luck of the draw, the only thing people can do is research how well it has worked for others and hope they don't turn out a minority statistic.

Lanien to finish up off Volts last post; I also concur with his choice in power supplies, all very good. My current one is an Antec that I've had for 3 years without a single issue. Previously I had a CoolerMaster for 4, and I've had another Antec last for almost 7 in a cheap little office work/internet browsing PC. Just watch out, those bastards, sometime in the last few years, stopped sending power cords with most of their power supplies (it should mention this in the product description somewhere if applicable), so you'll need your own cord to go from the PSU to the power source plug-in. I would also recommend an SSD, highly recommend it. You want one big enough to do what he said, as well as store a game or two that you're currently playing. People that do not have an SSD will claim the load timings are not quite worth it yet, but once you have one, it's so blatantly obvious how much more smooth things are, especially the loading done inside the game while you're actually playing it, not just the sitting load screens.
 
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Strid, I've always thought that your analysis and insight on games was astute, so I want to ask, how are you feeling with the beta content so far and your impressions on how the game is working/progressing? I'm aware that we have next to no content available to us, but what are you thoughts at the moment?

I'm at level 18 gladiator and a whole bunch of quests opened up, but I felt bored and didn't feel like playing the rest of the weekend.
 
That's a hard request to respond to right now. I hit your boredom phase during the alpha test, thus haven't played much in the first beta phase. That said, I still stick by what I said of the game earlier. I think my boredom was brought about by hitting the progression wall, in that, after I realized I liked the game, that was it for me. I'll probably be able to more properly express an opinion on this after they restore our characters and allow us to progress. After all, what you guys have now is just the alpha plus FATEs and some story (which is pretty much just more questing). I'd be more interested in FATEs had I not played GW2 and I've already said my peace on them. I'm not really interested in them as they currently are, but I wont deny that they are nice filler for the boring questing process, granted enough people are around to make a good effort (the fatal flaw of this system as time passes).

So basically, in order to offer you a better insight into my feelings, I need to see something new or get some details on exactly why I should feel determined enough to get through a tedious quest based leveling process in the first place, you know what I mean? I'm also back into being hopelessly addicted to Phantasy Star Online 2 so that's also eating into my lack of care for XIV's current phase of beta.
 
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You bet, if there is anything else just bring it up.

Also, I wanted to bring this up. I made mention that I wasn't too happy with my GTX 670 FTW, but after months of toying with it, I finally fixed the one thing I didn't like about it - the washed out colors. The GTX 670 doesn't play nice with monitors doing the color work. Forcing the GPU to color instead activated an option called "Digital Vibrance" that fixed every single damn coloring complaint I had. So now, I love this thing, I just need to get the rest of my built to catch up to it. So anyway, if I was keeping you away from the GTX 670 FTW... problem solved and it's a very, very simple "eyeball test" fix.
 
Placed the order today! Didn't go too overboard lol
 
MAGITEKARMORZ!!
 
I kind of want to be a Dragoon again... lol
 
I'm totally being a Dark Knight again. Fo Sho! ....when it is added.
 
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