Bleach Manga Storyline discussion. (Contains spoilers)

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Hitaru said:
did he not use Cero against Yami (Yammy)
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No, he used Benihime. So far, he has no Hollow powers but he can somewhat copy enemy attacks.


I'm not tryin' to be mean or anything but if you remembered the scene, how could you possibly forget the conversation he had about his abilities?
 
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i think he reflected it, from the other espada fighting him no?

can't recall Urahara using it though
 
Strid said:
No, he used Benihime. So far, he has no Hollow powers but he can somewhat copy enemy attacks.


I'm not tryin' to be mean or anything but if you remembered the scene, how could you possibly forget the conversation he had about his abilities?
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nah i know your not tryna be mean ^^; it's just a discussion, i will re-read it just so i am not missing anything.


I don't think he reflected it either as Yami used a cero and Urahara countered with his own.
 
K. Ishitar said:
i think he reflected it, from the other espada fighting him no?

can't recall Urahara using it though
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Benihime's offensive ability fires a crimson-colored energy blast which is similar to Cero. That's what he used to get by the Cero blast.
 
Aizen explains how Urhara used to be the research and development dude and how he created the orb thingy (I can't spell that orb's name for the life of me) in his study of trying to break that line between Shinigami and Hollow. I think it was like.. episode 61 for the anime and manga chapter 175 or somewhere around there. Pretty sure Urhara was seeking to break the limits too :P and then when he realized he created that orb thingy he was like "shit.. this could be bad" and so ya..

Edit?: here we go :P Page 16 of 175

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and here's the anime

 
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All Aizen does is tell his thoughts and knowledge on the situation. No one other than the writer, at this point, knows from Urahra himself why he made it, it hasn't been stated yet other than to make a replication of the Kings Key. It's kind of like cigarette companies. They make a product that's, for some people, good but has a terrible side effect. They probably didn't know about the side effect, cancer, until they had already made the products. Whether Urahara knew what he was doin' in terms of power is not revealed.

Trust me when I say, I know the situations and the story very well. There is no need to link me to anything I already 100% comprehend. Aizen never says Urahara was -tryin'- to make them more powerful, only that he made a way for them to become more powerful. Had he been tryin' to make something to make them more powerful why would he seal it, considerin' he succeeded?

You're missing the tiny things people say, how they say them, and what form of dialog for some reason and how they are directly affectin' the situations. In Bleach, sweat the small stuff. The writer knows the difference between "There" and "Their" and uses it effectively if you catch my drift.
 
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I'd say it's pretty obvious Urhara wanted to break the limits too :P I mean.. why else would he make this thing which can break the limit between Hollow and Shinigami? It wasn't just "hey look what it can do!" kinda moment after he randomly threw shit together XD And it even goes on and says something along the lines of

"In the end it was a dangerous tool and he realized this too, that is why he decided to destroy it but couldn't so he chose another method." :P

I'd still say it's more likely Urhara was after breaking the limits too but decided it was bad for whatever reason. And I think he knows more about the vizards and whatnot than most and perhaps even met them in the past. He's been in human world for awhile, he's not dumb, so musta come across them at some point
 
I passed the chapter a while ago, think it was... bah, I'm too lazy to backtrack, somewhere around 198 in the manga they state he used the Hangekyou to create new Arrancar. Unlike the current Research head, Urahara isn't amoral, and he probably deemed the Hougyoku too dangerous for whatever reason and sealed it away. To use Ragnarok (manga) as an anology... the Gods created a powerful sword to defeat their enemies, but feared its power after its creation, and sealed it away.
 
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Elemmire said:
I'd say it's pretty obvious Urhara wanted to break the limits too :P I mean.. why else would he make this thing which can break the limit between Hollow and Shinigami?
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Wow, you really don't understand things too easily, huh? Not only have I said it already, more than once, but it's the whole reason Soul Society is preparin' for a war... Then there was the cigarette analogy. Hhhhh, you'd think we don't even speak the same language.


Anyway, a hint. There is a key involved that opens a door that houses a dood that's very important.
 
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I think you're getting a little heated over simple discussion, no one is here to insult anyone's intelligence, only provide relevant data to prove a point.

That's all.
 
Neisan said:
I passed the chapter a while ago, think it was... bah, I'm too lazy to backtrack, somewhere around 198 in the manga they state he used the Hangekyou to create new Arrancar. Unlike the current Research head, Urahara isn't amoral, and he probably deemed the Hougyoku too dangerous for whatever reason and sealed it away.
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Urahara never created an Arrancar. The moment the treasure was made, it was sealed. That's what immediately means. There is never a single mention, *-yet-*, of Urahara ever usin' the treasure.

And Ishi, I'm not angry in the slightest. I'd just prefer not to repeat myself, it's frustrating. I guess you're right though in a sense. We can only speculate, even despite the known information, what Urahara's true goal was in creatin' the treasure. Even though Ukitake found the only information he (Urahara) left behind on it. Given the current status of Urahara's being it's true I can only believe he wasn't at lust for power. He could have very well been. However, if it's power he sought, I bet it's not the same breed of power Aizen is after. If he did use it himself I'm sure it's to counter the treasure user, givin' his cunning style. I see him finishing the fight this time instead of Ichigo unless Orihime can buck up and do what she decided to do.
 
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Strid said:
Urahara never created an Arrancar. The moment the treasure was made, it was sealed. That's what immediately means. There is never a single mention, *-yet-*, of Urahara ever usin' the treasure.

And Ishi, I'm not angry in the slightest. I'd just prefer not to repeat myself, it's frustrating. I guess you're right though in a sense. We can only speculate, even despite the known information, what Urahara's true goal was in creatin' the treasure. Even though Ukitake found the only information he (Urahara) left behind on it. Given the current status of Urahara's being it's true I can only believe he wasn't at lust for power. He could have very well been. However, if it's power he sought, I bet it's not the same breed of power Aizen is after. If he did use it himself I'm sure it's to counter the treasure user, givin' his cunning style. I see him finishing the fight this time instead of Ichigo unless Orihime can buck up and do what she decided to do.
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You have valid points but maybe it's just how we percieved it? The mind is a wonderous thing as everyone has their own way of seeing it, maybe that is exactly what the writer wanted. I personally think discussions are good it gets the mind all excited.

we are in no way arguing so please don't see it that way anyone ^^
 
I was referring to Aizen, not Urahara in creating Arrancar (EDIT: Faster than originally possible since Arrancar usually take a long time to develop). Urahara made it (the Hougyoku) and Aizen found a use for it.
 
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315 is available on scanlation :)
 
Neisan said:
I was referring to Aizen, not Urahara in creating Arrancar. Urahara made it (the Hougyoku) and Aizen found a use for it.
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ok ok...

Arrancar existed before Aizen, they just weren't perfect in their creation. Aizen merely took the Arrancar a few steps further in their creation.

Hollow classes go as follows:

Menos Type:

Gillian class
Adjuchas class
Vasto-lorde class

Then we have Arrancar:

Espada rank
Numeros
Privaron Espada
Exequias
Fraccion

Anyway, do you remember that whole flashback bit with Grimmjow, where they were discussing how they became aware at the gillian level and started feeding on those with high spirit power, and they gradually continued evolving? Some were arrancar before Aizen merely sped up the process and perfection of the arrancar using the Hougyoku.

OK! Basically it comes down to we don't KNOW what the Hougyoku is or what its original purpose was yet. I'm sure that Urahara had a reason but I doubt it was to create Arrancar. I have a feeling it has to do with the Vizards.
 
definitely some food for thought, good to see ulquiorra and ichigo going at it again
 
K. Ishitar said:
definitely some food for thought, good to see ulquiorra and ichigo going at it again
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So true, i am glad he is out of that warp hole thing, but after all this time i have forgotten his number...was it 4 or 5?


Also i wonder what number that chick is...she looks kick ass

(Yes i am Hoping for Potential Soi fong and Boob chick battle)
 
how is Ichigo going to win against him though? he didn't win the first time XD what new powers are going to come out? D:
 
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