Blm gear help!

[Knightblade]

This was a debate about BLM though, not RDM I admit, its great for RDM. I used to want that body for my RDM. Doesn't change the fact I'm not that interested in its uses for BLM.

I only said, if you have both blm and rdm leveled. If you have a dalmatica for your rdm, you'd use it for your blm too, wouldn't you? Yes, because it still has a small bonus over af2 body.

 

[Knightblade]

SMN by itself won't get a lot of benefit out of Dalmatica. The only thing they get is Auto Refresh, but you'll gimp yourself by not using Ying Yang body, which is an easily attainable piece, that is not only better, its also easier to get and cheaper.

sup spellcast

 

[Caerloc]

In todays FFXI its kinda silly not to see gear in all its perspectives, since everyone and their mother has 3+ jobs lvled. But sure, if blm was my only job, i probably wouldnt shell out the money for it. But i have one, and rest assured that i can find alot of different uses for it.
But like i mentioned before, most ppl dont come blm to HNM's to obtain gear for their blms.

I would like to hear Pchan tell me what crap a Black Belt would be for his mnk tho. Or Mdkuser for that matter. He probably wouldnt want a hecatomb cap or hecatomb subligars either. Or a ridill to use in that salvage you all love. But thats all trahs to i suppose, and lol at those stupid blms trying to get stuff like that, what are they thinking huh?

 

[Tavjon]

Scholar gets 256 Ele Skill at 75 with just Dark Arts. The AF body gives +15 Elemental Skill when Dark Arts is up pushing that to 271, which as 269 is A- means they have just over an A- in skill then.

Also 8 Ele skill merits will give 16 skill not 12 so thats 287 skill with full merits and nuking in AF body if i've done the maths right.

You are correct, was 5am when I posted D:

 

[Nyett]

You are the one to bring dalmatica to be a reason to camp the Aery as BLM, not me.

It isn't a piece that makes or breaks a Blm, or a piece you would spend all that time in Aery to get for a Blm.

When did I say a blm should camp Aery? I specifically said you wouldn't. I said that if you had a Dalmatica for another job, as many Aery camping blm's have, you would wear it in idle. Period. And it offers +mp (which you don't like anyway...), MDB and for convert gear so it is better than your gloriously pimp blackcloak. And why are you side-stepping the other items Aery blm's wear like Herald's Gaiters and Novio? I don't see those in your inventory Mr. Pimpalicious.

And tbh AF1(+1)hat + Igkira body is worse than blackcloak(+1). Meditate this.

Wow. Please explain why to all of us, I'd love to hear your explanation. I also find this funny since you claim Dalmatica is a waste of money but yet you will dish out the gil for a blackcloak +1 to nuke in? Your logic amazes me.

Dalmatica saves 1 inventory space since it doubles as a refresh piece and an MP convert piece. I'm not saying it's great or necessary at all, just that this is one of it's advantages. It's also usable by a few jobs where Sorcy coat or D cloak are usable by only 1.

Yup, exactly what I was getting at and from last I looked Morrigans is much more expensive to get not to mention I find Salvage rather boring and go seldom. Maybe if I went with Pchan I would find it more exciting!!! watching him conserve enmity and mp must be a fireworks show to remember.

 

[Kaeko]

Dalmatica has a couple of very small boosts to a Taru BLM.

As someone mentioned, it doubles as HP down gear for Sorc. Ring and Refresh for standing setup. The only other Refresh body that can double for more than 1 use is Morrigan body - both types of Cloak and AF2 body serve really no use outside refresh unless you use AF2 body for elemental skill (please don't with 10k igqira bodies on AH). Morrigan body is pretty hard to get for most people, so I don't see how it's unreasonable to want a Dalmatica if the opportunity arises - I'm not saying Dalma is easy to get either, but certain people have better access to certain types of gear.

Also, to the person that said only Galkas and Elvaans really need a Dalma to proc the ring, just because it is possible to proc the ring w/o a Dalma doesn't make it the most efficient method. Good BLMs are constantly stressing inventory management and trying to save slots. For instance, when I converted to a Sorc. Ring user, I tried really desperately to save gear slots when converting to keep my other gear for like Dark Magic, Haste on Stun, etc.

Eventually, I was able to have every single piece of gear in my HP down set double for another use, which is the ideal situation - Zenith Head +1, Dalma, Zenith Hands +1, Penitents, and Mahatma feet (-205HP when needing -203HP). The last piece to complete this for me was getting Mitts +1, which cost a shit load pretty much on any server. I shelled out quite a bit for them, and it wasn't for the damage boost, but because converting that extra 5 HP actually saved me an entire inventory slot. That's how much a career BLM can be willing to shell out for just 1 more inventory slot. Dalma provided a similar boost, saving 1 slot.

This is all sort of nit picky though. Certain people will always go so above and beyond to get marginal gains on their favorite jobs. I think it's pretty arrogant to question someone wanting an item (by saying XXX is only useful for job Y) if they can back it up on why they want it and how it improves them, no matter how minor the improvement. When my best friend online wants to shell out 20M for an extra couple of STR for her THF, I think she's a bit crazy - probably the same way she feels when I spend the same sort of money to save 1 inventory slot.

Also, the "I have 3+ mage jobs, Dalma saves me slots between them" is a very valid argument. While some people try to deck out one job, others would rather keep all jobs are high efficiency. It's a question of trade-offs! Getting a refresh piece for 3 jobs could save you 2 slots, not from your inventory, but your overall mog house space - it's the same sort of argument as inventory management, but this time you're managing your entire mog house.

 

[Necrosis]

Dalmatica's not terribly expensive, and it fills many a purpose if you have one. It's not really amazing or game-breaking at all, analogous to its cousin ebody and the shitty mbody, but I'd like to have one >_>

motherfucking edit: WHAT? @ pchan

 

[Tok]

tbh AF1(+1)hat + Igkira body is worse than blackcloak(+1). Meditate this.

"igqira"

elemental magic skill +5
magic attk bonus +6
conserve mp +2
mp +30
int +5
enmity -4
HMP +1

vs

int+5
refresh
elemental magic skill +10

am i missing something? how is the latter superior?

 

[Hmkiroko]

Nope lol.

 

[Knightblade]

Lack of defense.

 

[Uzor]

sup spellcast

Tymon mentioned how Dalmatica could replace Ying Yang Robe for SMN. Spellcast would completely make his point null.

Thanks for supporting me I guess?

And yes Kaeko, I know how pressed you can be for inv space. I barely have any myself. I'm not saying Dalmatica's useless, I'm just saying that I wouldn't consider it a godly and must-have item for BLM like some people seem to think.

And the only Knight, the only reason I'd use Dalmatica over BLM AF2, is because people consider Dalmatica more "pimp". However, I am unlikely to every upgrade it, as I'd probably stick to Morrigan's Robe for my RDM, BLU and BLM.

 

[Knightblade]

I'm not saying Dalmatica's useless, I'm just saying that I wouldn't consider it a godly and must-have item for BLM like some people seem to think.

Nobody is considering it a godly must-have item, you still have black cloak and AF2 body, but it still does have benefits when you have it on another job like RDM. It's sort of like me having faith torque. If I ever leveled RNG or COR or something, I'd use it on them. Although I can't make at an equal comparison because faith torque offers more benefits for rng/cor than dalmatica for BLM, I think you get the idea.

 

[Tymon]

I never said Dalmatica replaces YYR, I was just using SMN as an example of jobs that can--and sometimes do use it.

Theres really no reason for a SMN to use one at all, seeing as how the refresh is on YYR and it also has MP.

 

[Tok]

honestly for blm i dont think dalmatica merit's an inventory space, the refresh is 1 a tic and the magic defense bonus when fighting anything end game wont do much of anything

personally i would rather take the damage and recover then waste inventory space on a magic defense bonus set up when the mob will only one shot my taru ass regardless

all in all i feel that a dalmatica is nothin but a status piece, an epeen item if you will

 

[Knightblade]

personally i would rather take the damage and recover then waste inventory space on a magic defense bonus set up when the mob will only one shot my taru ass regardless

with stoneskin, phalanx, and a proper standing set, you can not get one shotted and possibly live, taru or not.

 

[Tok]

with stoneskin, phalanx, and a proper standing set, you can not get one shotted and possibly live, taru or not.

true, but would a dalm help with damage mitigation?

capped stoneskin, blink and phalanx gives you the chance to survive the shot and recover but i think that the -50 hp would hurt you more then the 1 mp a tic refresh and +5 mgk. def. would help in a situation like that

edit: if thats not the topic of discussion atm then i apologize

 

[Knightblade]

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you're probably going to be at yellow hp from sorc ring swap anyway, so it wont have mattered. and refresh adds up when you use spellcast to swap right back to earth staff/cheviot(umbra)/black cloak(af2)[dalmatica], and its not like the mdb is hurting you

 

[pchan]

"igqira"

elemental magic skill +5
magic attk bonus +6
conserve mp +2
mp +30
int +5
enmity -4
HMP +1

vs

int+5
refresh
elemental magic skill +10

am i missing something? how is the latter superior?

Elemental skill 10 > Elemental 5 when you are nuking hlevel 88 mobs. MAB6 means like +60 damage but this means shit if you are going to be resisted. If It saves you just one or two unresisted nuke it's worth it. And no, I won't use it cos morrigan crown+body alone give same/more accuracy than this, and obviously more than Igkira+AFhat ... Still doesn't beat AF2hat+morrigan. But that's for very well geared BLMs. Which not very rare btw, if you sometimes leave the Aery and run around.


Also I like how Nyett initially you spoke about dalmatica being a pimp item for BLM, then changing your mind and saying it's good .. for rdm, which has nothing to do with the discussion.

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I would like to hear Pchan tell me what crap a Black Belt would be for his mnk tho. Or Mdkuser for that matter. He probably wouldnt want a hecatomb cap or hecatomb subligars either. Or a ridill to use in that salvage you all love.

Ok so again this has nothing to do with the thread. Honestly i'd rather focus on full usukane first then get Black belt ? Cos I dont want to be the kind of monk with Black Belt and prince slops ...
As for ridill, no it's crap in salvage, nothing beats a monk. Except relics etc. Plus lolridillthf, especially in salvage. Blau/X'kife ftw. But this requires more skill than camping the aery.

 

[Uzor]

I never said Dalmatica replaces YYR, I was just using SMN as an example of jobs that can--and sometimes do use it.

Theres really no reason for a SMN to use one at all, seeing as how the refresh is on YYR and it also has MP.

What you said was

Going with this, it saves more than 1 inventory space. If it's a good piece for different uses for say: SMN, BRD, BLM, RDM, and RDM, SMN and BRD would each use different pieces, it saves not one, but FOUR inventory slots.

Now, why would you even mention SMN as them saving an inv space, is beyond me. I wouldn't really consider Dalmatica useful in any way for SMN, and if anyhting, it would be nothing but inv-1 for them. Sure ,you could argue that they can use it for convert HP > MP piece for Conjurer's Ring, but in all honesty, how many SMN's do you know that actually use it? That, too, would be a inv-1 piece, making it a grand total of inv-2. So you really wouldn't save any inv space by using Dalmatica for SMN.

Its good for BRD, yes, because they need more -HP and HP > MP gear then mages in order to activate their ring latent, and thus, Dalmatica serves a large purpose for them. I haven't argued that.

Huh? Well I guess they are gimped by your perspective. All those AF+1 hats, Heralds gaiters, Novios, Dalmaticas must make you ashamed to be a blm.... I am in the aery often, how can you make a blanket statement and insult my gear when you don't know my gear. On the other hand I see your gear, which is good, but by what you say on these forums its like giving a Porshe to someone with no licence.

And this is what I mean, from Nyett's attitude, I'd say he consider it either an e-peen item, or an end-all item that serves a lot of purpose. He mention Dalmatica, even though Dalmatica offers NOTHING that can't be easily replaced by other items. Novio Earring can't be replaced by another item, and neither can Herald Gaiters, even though its uses are limited. AF+1 hat can, also, be replaced, even though it can be slightly better in some situations, it can, also, be slightly worse then other items. So its all a matter of taste.

 

[Necrosis]

Yeah Pchan, ignore the fact that there are several easier alternatives to get skill on BLM without sacrificing 6/7 matk for 5/4 skill, like, say, wizard's gloves +1 (INT3 skill15) which are only at a cost of 5/6 matk. If you're attached to that 5 skill so much you could even use an elite beret +1 with weskit, which will give you the same amount of skill as your black cloak suggestion but without looking like a total moron.

You always were a little too attached to your macc(sup chasuble) and skill pieces, Pchan.