Blm gear help!

[Uzor]

The reason we go with MNK's, is because it just so happends that pretty much everyone in my shell has MNK lvled. We have a grand total of 7 MNK's. Well, 8.

If we 6-man, we do MNK THF RDM WHM BRD, with the last player being a random person, doesn't matter what job.

And we do MNK MNK SAM RDM BRD WHM in tank party on our normal runs. Sometimes we put a COR in there instead of SAM, depends on how we feel.

 

[Caerloc]

The reason we go with MNK's, is because it just so happends that pretty much everyone in my shell has MNK lvled.

If we 6-man, we do MNK THF RDM WHM BRD, with the last player being a random person, doesn't matter what job.

And we do MNK MNK SAM RDM BRD WHM in tank party on our normal runs. Sometimes we put a COR in there instead of SAM, depends on how we feel.

So you usually have a tank pt and another pt? Just you COULD 6 man, but dont.
Yeah btw, i could probably solo salvage while climbing mount everest. I just usually dont.

 

[Uzor]

We usually have 8-10 people. Reason we don't 6-man is because I don't feel like telling the other 4 people to not come. I'm just nice like that. ITs not an issue of "We need everyone!" Its an issue of us having a lot of things that would go to waste, and we might as well bring people in to actually lot them.

Speaking of which, anyone want to buy Ares body, Ares legs, Marduk head, Marduk hands, Usukane legs, Usukane feet, Usukane hands, Skadi feet, Skadi legs, Skadi hands, Morrigan head, Morrigan feet, Morrigan head? 'cause if we're to 6-man it, we might as well sell all of the above mentioned.

 

[Nyett]

Also I like how Nyett initially you spoke about dalmatica being a pimp item for BLM, then changing your mind and saying it's good .. for rdm

I never changed my mind. I initially listed pimp items blm can wear, Dalmatica is a pimp item blm can wear but, unlike the other items, wont make a blm godly. I also said

It isn't a piece that makes or breaks a Blm, or a piece you would spend all that time in Aery to get for a Blm.

There is a difference between needing and having a good piece, its called reading comprehension.

I also never said it was good for rdm (which it is) I said

I have a Bard to wear the Dalmatica

So if I had it for my Brd I'd wear it for my blm cause it is the best for idle body gear. Do not put words into my mouth.

And this is what I mean, from Nyett's attitude, I'd say he consider it either an e-peen item, or an end-all item that serves a lot of purpose.

My attitude isn't about the gear I have or what I consider to be e-peen. Its about people like Pchan (and probably you too) who think you are so godly with dynamis and salvage gear/experience and have the nerve to insult blm's who kill the biggest mobs in the game on a daily basis. Dynamis most blm's can do sleeping and its really hard to stand around nude in salavge waiting for cells.

You may have obtained a few "pimp" items in this game but your gaming knowledge/experience is limited. Go ahead and list gear off to people here and I will list off my kills to you. Gimp.

 

[Caerloc]

We usually have 8-10 people. Reason we don't 6-man is because I don't feel like telling the other 4 people to not come. I'm just nice like that. ITs not an issue of "We need everyone!" Its an issue of us having a lot of things that would go to waste, and we might as well bring people in to actually lot them.

What happened to being as effective as possible? You where all the rave about it just 2 minutes ago. Get 2 more, and run 2 groups.

Or if you dont wanna do that, what did you need mnks for to hit all the nm's and boss again? If you cant use any type of dd-jobs to do that with 10 people well, then i dont really know what to say. I guess thats the skill Pchan was talking about.

 

[Uzor]

My attitude isn't about the gear I have or what I consider to be e-peen. Its about people like Pchan (and probably you too) who think you are so godly with dynamis and salvage gear/experience and have the nerve to insult blm's who kill the biggest mobs in the game on a daily basis. Dynamis most blm's can do sleeping and its really hard to stand around nude in salavge waiting for cells.

You may have obtained a few "pimp" items in this game but your gaming knowledge/experience is limited. Go ahead and list gear off to people here and I will list off my kills to you. Gimp.

Actually, I've killed the very same things you have killed in this game. It just so happens that I've grown bored of the HNM scene. Its long, boring, and a HUGE waste of time. I have better things to do then stay up to 5 AM camping Nidhogg, like, say, work, and actually do something with my life.

 

[Necrosis]

Lol this again ? Don't give lessons unless your accuracy is capped.

My accuracy doesn't need to be capped to know that I'm outDDing someone who nukes in black cloak, lol. You can have full skill gear and still not have capped acc on most worthwhile things; this is what you don't seem to understand.

I have better things to do then stay up to 5 AM camping Nidhogg, like, say, work, and actually do something with my life.

Playing the life card, lol? Really?

 

[Uzor]

What happened to being as effective as possible? You where all the rave about it just 2 minutes ago. Get 2 more, and run 2 groups.

Or if you dont wanna do that, what did you need mnks for to hit all the nm's and boss again? If you cant use any type of dd-jobs to do that with 10 people well, then i dont really know what to say. I guess thats the skill Pchan was talking about.

You can be effective with 10 people, too. If you don't know how to be as effective with 6 as you are with 10, then I feel sorry for you.

 

[Caerloc]

My accuracy doesn't need to be capped to know that I'm outDDing someone who nukes in black cloak, lol. You can have full skill gear and still not have capped acc on most worthwhile things; this is what you don't seem to understand.


Playing the life card, lol? Really?

When the hardest thing you nuke is Dyna-xarc demons you can understand why its easy for him to get confused. I find it so funny that these guys actually think that just because someone kills 3kings, Tia, Cerb and Khima, they cant possibly have any experience with limbus, dynamis or salvage. I mean seriously, what are they using for brains..

 

[Nyett]

Actually, I've killed the very same things you have killed in this game. It just so happens that I've grown bored of the HNM scene.

And thats your choice and definately doesn't warrent insulting people who do enjoy HNM's. I personally think dynamis and salvage are much more boring.

I have better things to do then stay up to 5 AM camping Nidhogg, like, say, work, and actually do something with my life.

So do I. When do I say up til 5am? Why would you assume I do? And don't pull out the RL card how you have more to do, I assure you I will crush you.

 

[Uzor]

When the hardest thing you nuke is Dyna-xarc demons you can understand why its easy for him to get confused. I find it so funny that these guys actually think that just because someone kills 3kings, Tia, Cerb and Khima, they cant possibly have any experience with limbus, dynamis or salvage. I mean seriously, what are they using for brains..

Please do quote me stating this, and I'll even go as far as giving you a pat on your back.

 

[Caerloc]

You can be effective with 10 people, too. If you don't know how to be as effective with 6 as you are with 10, then I feel sorry for you.

Wha? No shit its easier to do things with 10. It is in fact SO EASY THAT YOU SHOULD NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE GO MNK MNK SAM. Its infact so easy that you should be able to do it with drg's as your only source of DD... And you cant be any more effiecent with your 10 then we are with our 6, so yes, i do know how to be as effective with 6 as i am with 10.

 

[Caerloc]

Please do quote me stating this, and I'll even go as far as giving you a pat on your back.

Naw, thatone was for Pchan and his constant telling us to go to dynamis instead of killing HNM's.

 

[Fonzy]

Elemental skill 10 > Elemental 5 when you are nuking hlevel 88 mobs. MAB6 means like +60 damage but this means shit if you are going to be resisted. If It saves you just one or two unresisted nuke it's worth it. And no, I won't use it cos morrigan crown+body alone give same/more accuracy than this, and obviously more than Igkira+AFhat ... Still doesn't beat AF2hat+morrigan. But that's for very well geared BLMs. Which not very rare btw, if you sometimes leave the Aery and run around.

man, I've left this thread alone as long as I could but this kind of just broke the camels back. First, you seem to be conceited because you have full Morrigan and seem to think the only good gear in this game for Blm comes from Salvage or Assault, which is completely retarded. In fact your incapable of acknowledging the use and benefit of anything else, calling other BLM's gimp if they have A hands and a wesket. No one is saying Morrigan is bad for BLM, some of the pieces are pretty awesome but there are alternatives equivalent or even better than some pieces in a given situations.

Your above paragraph is stupid on so many levels because you seem to think that a resist build consists solely of two inventory spots and that there are only 2 alternatives for those two slots. As was mentioned earlier 320 skill/120 Int is kind of a target for HNM nuking(Tiamat, Oryuu, Bahamut, high resist mobs) and if you can't hit it, I would always consider skill > int. I would never consider wearing your precious morrigan robe for hnm nuking unless I had skill pieces to compensate for it's lack there of. Strangley enough those skill piece aren't found in salvage but are found in sea and limbus(AF+1 hands, Nashira feet, merciful cape), but I guess BLM's have no reason to kill hnm's anyways so why bother. The main point, is what you place on head and body can vary greatly from one BLM to another and still be equivalent in use because you have 14 other slots to use. so it's probably not a good idea to run around and claim AF+1 head is gimp, just because you are so ignorant as to it's potential use or the benefit -enmity and +mp give.

and back to the aery, Fafnir/Nidhogg isn't even a high resist mob and totally unworthy of a high resist build and yet you seem to judge it as the ultimate HNM. Perhaps if you spent some time there instead of salvage you would know that, and you would know there are some much better geared BLM's there than you who have some of your precious morrigan and put it to much better use.

Also I like how Nyett initially you spoke about dalmatica being a pimp item for BLM, then changing your mind and saying it's good .. for rdm, which has nothing to do with the discussion.

and I love how you cherry picked dalmatica to comment on when all the other endgame HNM drop he mentioned for BLM you wisely didn't try to argue their use. Dalmatica is the best idle piece for a body slot on BLM, anything that will make your stoneskin last longer is useful, is it not?

Ok so again this has nothing to do with the thread. Honestly i'd rather focus on full usukane first then get Black belt ? Cos I dont want to be the kind of monk with Black Belt and prince slops ...

yeah, cause AF2 legs and Haidate aren't good, oh wait, if you don't have the complete usukane set Haidate are probably better. Not to mention BB isn't nearly as time consuming to get as full usukane and it is by far a much more potent piece.

As for ridill, no it's crap in salvage, nothing beats a monk. Except relics etc. Plus lolridillthf, especially in salvage. Blau/X'kife ftw. But this requires more skill than camping the aery.

what? skill? Buying a Blau dolche off the ah and getting lucky in an easy BCNM is your definition of skill? I agree, THF using ridill is pretty dumb, unless you are fighting too weak crap in salvage where the low skill doesn't matter

my final note, there is a lot of good information in this thread about gearing up BLM for endgame, just try and ignore anything pchan posted, it's pretty much the special kid smacking his helmet against the wall

 

[Uzor]

And thats your choice and definately doesn't warrent insulting people who do enjoy HNM's. I personally think dynamis and salvage are much more boring.

I never once insulted people that do HNM's. Stop making things up in that imaginary world of yours.

So do I. When do I say up til 5am? Why would you assume I do? And don't pull out the RL card how you have more to do, I assure you I will crush you.

I never assumed you stay up 'till 5 AM. Stop making things up. I live in EU, and it just so happens that most HNM LS's only bother campign things that are inside their window, as they tend to not have people online when I actually play. 5 AM for me is 11 PM for them, assumign they're inside EST.

And you really like to say "I will crush you", I see. Perhaps you should visit a shrink if you want to crush people for things you make up.

Wha? No shit its easier to do things with 10. It is in fact SO EASY THAT YOU SHOULD NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE GO MNK MNK SAM. Its infact so easy that you should be able to do it with drg's as your only source of DD... And you cant be any more effiecent with your 10 then we are with our 6, so yes, i do know how to be as effective with 6 as i am with 10.

Oh, get off your high horse would you. Just because you're in Kaizen doesn't mean no one even gets close to your efficiency.

And once again, reason we go MNK MNK SAM is because that's what we've found to be the most efficient. Sure, we could go WAR WAR DRG or DRG DRG DRG, but DRG DRG DRG is not more efficient, and WAR WAR WAR might be close to it efficient wise, but we don't have 3 WAR's. It just so happends that my members lvled MNK back BEFORE the start chest was put in place, where you couldn't get shit done with 3 DRG's or 3 SAM's, as you would be unable to kill anything unless you had some source of H2H damage. Thus, a lot of my members have MNK lvled, and that is the reason we chose to go with MNK's as tanks. I don't care if we can do it with 3 SAM's or a DRG as our only source of damage with 10 people, we do just fine with 2 MNK's and a SAM, or hell, 2 MNK's and a DRK or 2 MNK's and a WAR. Unless we find a way to be more efficient then we currently are, we are not going to change the way we do Salvage. If you want to do Salvage without MNK's, I won't stop you. That's your choice. If you prefer to do it with MNK, NIN, RDM, THF, WHM, BRD, that's your choice, and that's similar to how we 6-man it (but replace the NIN with any other job).

Besides, I find it hillarious how you preach how easy it is to do Salvage without a MNK, and how many times you've done Salvage without a MNK, but yet, you're a MNK, inside Salvage.

edit: or integral, w/e.

 

[Uzor]

and I love how you cherry picked dalmatica to comment on when all the other endgame HNM drop he mentioned for BLM you wisely didn't try to argue their use. Dalmatica is the best idle piece for a body slot on BLM, anything that will make your stoneskin last longer is useful, is it not?

Now, it was a long time ago I did Nidhogg last, but I do remember Stoneskin wearing after 3 wings. I highly doubt that 4% less magic damage taken will make Stoneskin last through 1 more wing.

 

[Caerloc]

I didnt say you COULDNT use a mnk did i?
Just said you didnt need to. We needed a DD, my only DD happens to be mnk.
I usually go brd or rdm.

 

[Caerloc]

Its funny, when you tell us how to do salvage, your not on a high horse.
When it turns out i already know how to do salvage, all of a sudden im on a high horse.

 

[Nyett]

And you really like to say "I will crush you", I see. Perhaps you should visit a shrink if you want to crush people for things you make up.

Crush you if you use the RL card. I assure you I am a very very busy person in RL.

And pulling the RL card just shows your losing the argument. But go ahead and quote me again and put some spin on it just so you can reply. Then Pchan can mention my Rdm wanting Dalmatica (check my jobs) and avoid being a gimp without gaiters or novio. But thats ok, he thinks HNM's are boring yet if you nuke without AF2 hat (cause he does dynamis) your gimp.
Some excellent egocentric logic thar.

I never assumed you stay up 'till 5 AM. Stop making things up.

Oh and this, when you use a statement like:

I have better things to do then stay up to 5 AM camping Nidhogg, like, say, work, and actually do something with my life.

in an argument than you are using such statement against the person you are arguing with, thus implying that HNM campers stay up til 5am and have no life. If you don't want me to assume you meant this than don't use it to prove a point, you obviously don't have, within an argument. Who is the one making things up and assuming? Thats right, its you.

Edit: and to get back on track lets look at what most of the blm's and 100% of the good blm's have said in this thread:
AF+1 hat, yes. AF2 hat, yes. DH+1 situational i guess, in my opinion no. Dalmatica, yes but don't spend your life trying to get it or any other items for that matter especially if you don't enjoy the event. It is better to be a gimp ingame than in RL, just don't be a gimp in both..... *cough* Blackcloak, no.

 

[pchan]

Im playing in salvage like you will a year from now.
Lemme just finish our 6man 4-5-6+boss run in zhayolm and ill get back to you.

Omg 1 year after you realize salvage is easier with 6. Old news.