Blm gear help!

[Uzor]

Its funny, when you tell us how to do salvage, your not on a high horse.
When it turns out i already know how to do salvage, all of a sudden im on a high horse.

I never once tried to tell you how to do Salvage. Jamal started talking about Ridill in Salvage, to which Pchan said he don't think Ridill is that good in Salvage. Jamal responded that he probably just haven't seen a Ridill in Salvage, or at all for that matter. I respond that, yes, he have, we have one, and explain why, in my opinion, Ridill isn't "awesome!" in Salvage. I even admitted that its good, but not "Awesome!". You come in and say "Y R U USING MNK IN SALVAGE?! LOL U GIMP!", at which point I explained why we chose to use MNK.

No where did I try to lecture you how to play Salvage, that's all on you.

Crush you if you use the RL card. I assure you I am a very very busy person in RL.

Here you go, assuming you are more busy then me in RL. I don't care how busy you are in RL, nor will I try to explain to you my RL situation. It serves no purpose, as it doesn't matter.

And pulling the RL card just shows your losing the argument. But go ahead and quote me again and put some spin on it just so you can reply. Then Pchan can mention my Rdm wanting Dalmatica (check my jobs) and avoid being a gimp without gaiters or novio. But thats ok, he thinks HNM's are boring yet if you nuke without AF2 hat (cause he does dynamis) your gimp.
Some excellent egocentric logic thar.

I didn't pull the RL card. I said that I gave up HNM's because I got a job, and no longer had the time needed to be in a HNM LS, considering most events are during JP or NA prime time, which is a bad time for me. Don't see how me explaining why I chose to give up HNM's show a lack of argument.

in an argument than you are using such statement against the person you are arguing with, thus implying that HNM campers stay up til 5am and have no life. If you don't want me to assume you meant this than don't use it to prove a point, you obviously don't have, within an argument. Who is the one making things up and assuming? Thats right, its you.

Stop thinking EVERYTHING is an argument against you. If you have such low self-esteem that you take everything offensive, I suggest you stay out. I was, again, explaining why I chose to give up HNM's. I do believe this is the second post where I explain that. Obviously you didn't read the first one.

 

[pchan]

First, you seem to be conceited because you have full Morrigan

You are the only one speaking about full morrigan not me.

the only good gear in this game for Blm comes from Salvage or Assault, which is completely retarded.

Pretty much. Yigit feet, legs are must have for BLM. Hands gives the same damage output as A:gloves. Morrigan legs obviously. Morrigan Gloves obviousle. Morrigan robe abvioulsy.

As was mentioned earlier 320 skill/120 Int is kind of a target for HNM nuking(Tiamat, Oryuu, Bahamut, high resist mobs) and if you can't hit it, I would always consider skill > int. I would never consider wearing your precious morrigan robe for hnm nuking unless I had skill pieces to compensate for it's lack there of. Strangley enough those skill piece aren't found in salvage but are found in sea and limbus(AF+1 hands, Nashira feet, merciful cape),

I like how you counter my argument about +elemental magic by throwing merciful cape limbus feet in the discussion. And i'd rather trade AF2 hat for AF1 (-5 int +10 skill) instead of merciful cape (-5 int + 5 skill). Also 320 skill/120 INT is not optimal in any way. Optimal means 95% accuracy. Every single resist on tier IV is very hard to recover with +int or +mab on other spells. Why ? Because the smallest resist you can get will make you lose to much damage.

Dalmatica is the best idle piece for a body slot on BLM, anything that will make your stoneskin last longer is useful, is it not?

It's crap for BLM.

yeah, cause AF2 legs and Haidate aren't good, oh wait, if you don't have the complete usukane set Haidate are probably better.

No..
[/QUOTE]

Not to mention BB isn't nearly as time consuming to get as full usukane and it is by far a much more potent piece.

No.. 3/5 usukane in 2 months.

what? skill? Buying a Blau dolche off the ah and getting lucky in an easy BCNM is your definition of skill?

More than AFKing 4hours a day.

 

[Dowzer]

I know a person on this server got their black belt in less than a month. It's also possible to do it in one day.

 

[Nyett]

Here you go, assuming you are more busy then me in RL.e.

When did I say I was busier than you? I stated that I am very busy, period. You are impossible to discuss things with, you misinterpret everything.

 

[Knightblade]

You are the only one speaking about full morrigan not me.

No, he's right, you're ignorant about what gear is good/bad because you have full Morrigan's, or you're just a complete retard (I'm betting this more then the latter.)

quote

It's crap for BLM.

He said that it is the *BEST* idle piece, you fucking idiot. AF2 and Black Cloak are both gimper than it while idle. How does that make it crap?

PS: It's Igqira, how about we just call it weskit though, since you seem to have problems, obviously. See what I fucking did there? Move along with your salvage-is-next-to-godliness attitude, because it isn't. Especially when you can't even tell that weskit is better than black cloak. I'd listen to Nec as well, go back to wearing your Chasuble for that well needed accuracy.

Oh, and by the way, congratulations on your double red dots, but may I please ask of you to move back into your dark corner with Hellstorm, thanks.

 

[Caerloc]

I really dont see why people bother with Pchan.
The best argument he ever comes up with is "No, U!"


And then he acts like he's the god of salvage, a simple event as it is, when in fact im willing to bet that he has no real clue whats going on around him and he just attacks whatever is put infront off him.

But seriously Pchan, what are the skills that you posses, what is it that makes you think you are good at anything? Cause all i remember is a gimp rdm running around in sky with an assault jerkin and a sword. Seems to me that you where lucky enough to fall into a crowd that are willing to both let you leech and put up with your stupidity. So, kudos to that, thats a skill i guess.

 

[Caerloc]

I never once tried to tell you how to do Salvage. Jamal started talking about Ridill in Salvage, to which Pchan said he don't think Ridill is that good in Salvage. Jamal responded that he probably just haven't seen a Ridill in Salvage, or at all for that matter. I respond that, yes, he have, we have one, and explain why, in my opinion, Ridill isn't "awesome!" in Salvage. I even admitted that its good, but not "Awesome!". You come in and say "Y R U USING MNK IN SALVAGE?! LOL U GIMP!", at which point I explained why we chose to use MNK.

No where did I try to lecture you how to play Salvage, that's all on you.

Pchan and what he "thinks" just further proves my point of what kind of grasp he has on whats good or not. And I dont know where you got your english reading comprehension, but it sure wasnt the same school as me. I asked why you acted like mnk was the only way to go in salvage, when it infact isnt necessary at all. You then proceeded to try to lecture me and tell me off about how you did BOTH the nm's and the bosses, and you needed mnks to do this. To wich i replied i've done that with 6 for a long time, and we never had to have mnks for that, even if we did, on occasion have them. And your explanation as to why you choose mnk fell extra flat when you admitted you usually had 10 members, cause it really isnt necessary then. Not anywhere did i claim that you couldnt or even shouldnt use mnks. I said it wasnt necessary for hitting nm's and boss.

 

[pchan]

I really dont see why people bother with Pchan.
The best argument he ever comes up with is "No, U!"


And then he acts like he's the god of salvage, a simple event as it is, when in fact im willing to bet that he has no real clue whats going on around him and he just attacks whatever is put infront off him.

But seriously Pchan, what are the skills that you posses, what is it that makes you think you are good at anything? Cause all i remember is a gimp rdm running around in sky with an assault jerkin and a sword. Seems to me that you where lucky enough to fall into a crowd that are willing to both let you leech and put up with your stupidity. So, kudos to that, thats a skill i guess.

How about you stop saying wrong stuff about me ? I dont have that assault jerkin crap.

 

[pchan]

And then he acts like he's the god of salvage, a simple event as it is, when in fact im willing to bet that he has no real clue whats going on around him and he just attacks whatever is put infront off him.

My role in salvage is simple : iPULL. rofl. So yes I know what's going on.

 

[pchan]

NNec as well, go back to wearing your Chasuble for that well needed accuracy.

Oh, and by the way, congratulations on your double red dots, but may I please ask of you to move back into your dark corner with Hellstorm, thanks.

Need more Valkyrie's Coat >_>. And I think noone cares about red dots except you and the FB trollers .

 

[Tyrath]

Because there is no multi-quote function.

 

[Caerloc]

How about you stop saying wrong stuff about me ? I dont have that assault jerkin crap.

"ok" (This is sarcasm)

 

[Uzor]

Pchan and what he "thinks" just further proves my point of what kind of grasp he has on whats good or not. And I dont know where you got your english reading comprehension, but it sure wasnt the same school as me. I asked why you acted like mnk was the only way to go in salvage, when it infact isnt necessary at all. You then proceeded to try to lecture me and tell me off about how you did BOTH the nm's and the bosses, and you needed mnks to do this. To wich i replied i've done that with 6 for a long time, and we never had to have mnks for that, even if we did, on occasion have them. And your explanation as to why you choose mnk fell extra flat when you admitted you usually had 10 members, cause it really isnt necessary then. Not anywhere did i claim that you couldnt or even shouldnt use mnks. I said it wasnt necessary for hitting nm's and boss.

You asked why we use MNK's, and I explained that we use MNK because everyone have MNK lvled. I didn't say you need MNK's to hit all NM's + boss. I said it was the easiest to get done with MNK's. Now, please do tell me why you should take an easy event and try to make it harder? There's no point in trying to make an event harder then it has to be, unless the harder way is more effective. I highly doubt you ignore the start chest in Salvage, just so you can have a more challenging event. That we have 10 members have NOTHING to do with it, and is rather contradicting by you. Here, let me show you why.

The reason we go with MNK's, is because it just so happends that pretty much everyone in my shell has MNK lvled. We have a grand total of 7 MNK's. Well, 8.

If we 6-man, we do MNK THF RDM WHM BRD, with the last player being a random person, doesn't matter what job.

And we do MNK MNK SAM RDM BRD WHM in tank party on our normal runs. Sometimes we put a COR in there instead of SAM, depends on how we feel.

So you usually have a tank pt and another pt? Just you COULD 6 man, but dont.
Yeah btw, i could probably solo salvage while climbing mount everest. I just usually dont.

We usually have 8-10 people. Reason we don't 6-man is because I don't feel like telling the other 4 people to not come. I'm just nice like that. Its not an issue of "We need everyone!" Its an issue of us having a lot of things that would go to waste, and we might as well bring people in to actually lot them.

Speaking of which, anyone want to buy Ares body, Ares legs, Marduk head, Marduk hands, Usukane legs, Usukane feet, Usukane hands, Skadi feet, Skadi legs, Skadi hands, Morrigan head, Morrigan feet, Morrigan head? 'cause if we're to 6-man it, we might as well sell all of the above mentioned.

What happened to being as effective as possible? You where all the rave about it just 2 minutes ago. Get 2 more, and run 2 groups.

Or if you dont wanna do that, what did you need mnks for to hit all the nm's and boss again? If you cant use any type of dd-jobs to do that with 10 people well, then i dont really know what to say. I guess thats the skill Pchan was talking about.

You can be effective with 10 people, too. If you don't know how to be as effective with 6 as you are with 10, then I feel sorry for you.

Wha? No shit its easier to do things with 10. It is in fact SO EASY THAT YOU SHOULD NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE GO MNK MNK SAM. Its infact so easy that you should be able to do it with drg's as your only source of DD... And you cant be any more effiecent with your 10 then we are with our 6, so yes, i do know how to be as effective with 6 as i am with 10.

Naturally, the question is, if you consider it SO EASY with 10, why is it NOT possible that we're just as, or more effective, then you are with your 6? Naturally, I need to ask why you said "What happened to being effective? You were all the rage about it 2 min ago" when I mentioned we go with 6, only for you to turn around and say its really easy with 10.

This is where you say "That's not me contradicting myself! I said that because you'd be more effective with 2 parties then with 1!"

 

[mdkuser]

I would like to hear Pchan tell me what crap a Black Belt would be for his mnk tho. Or Mdkuser for that matter. He probably wouldnt want a hecatomb cap or hecatomb subligars either. Or a ridill to use in that salvage you all love. But thats all trahs to i suppose, and lol at those stupid blms trying to get stuff like that, what are they thinking huh?

I didnt want to post in this thread more but i see my name mentionned. I don't know you so dont talk about me like this. I dont have hecatomb cap true, but skadi head is a good alternative. Also idk why you are saying that a thf with ridill will do good in salvage. Cause yea main hand Thief knife and sub ridill makes you so p(g)imp. Thats assuming you get SJ. Ive seen so many Dragon eary addicts in JP salvage pickups come thf knife/ridill... makes me sad.

Edit: Zhaolm 5+6+boss is so 2007. Any Jp pickup can do it.

 

[Lucki]

Elemental skill 10 > Elemental 5 when you are nuking hlevel 88 mobs. MAB6 means like +60 damage but this means shit if you are going to be resisted.

(Sorry, but I just read this)

If your argument for using BC+1 over AF(+1)/weskit on level 88+ mobs is the Ele. Skill, why wouldn't you want to use:

which would bump you from 5 to 15*. Granted, I don't know that much about BLM, but wouldn't that nullify using BC+1?

* 10 from AF2, 5 from weskit

 

[pchan]

(Sorry, but I just read this)

If your argument for using BC+1 over AF(+1)/weskit on level 88+ mobs is the Ele. Skill, why wouldn't you want to use:

which would bump you from 5 to 15*. Granted, I don't know that much about BLM, but wouldn't that nullify using BC+1?

* 10 from AF2, 5 from weskit

My argument is not to say that DemonCloak+1 is the best, but to say it's better that using AF+weskit. And yes AF2 hat+weskit is the way to go unless you got morrigan body.

 

[Necrosis]

I dont have hecatomb cap true, but skadi head is a good alternative.

No, it really isn't.

My argument is not to say that DemonCloak+1 is the best, but to say it's better that using AF+weskit. And yes AF2 hat+weskit is the way to go unless you got morrigan body.

So let me get this straight. You're advocating the use of demon's cloak (INT5 skill10) over weskit/AF+1 hat(INT5 skill6 matk7 cmp2 -- skill difference of 4 in case you suck at math, at the cost of 7 magic attack and 2 conserve MP.) You then, in the next line, state that AF2 hat+weskit "is the way to go unless you got morrigan body." Let's compare the two scenarios. genie/AF2 = skill16 matk7 cmp2. morrigan's/AF2 = INT8 skill10 matk5. Now by your logic from the previous example (demon vs. af/weskit), in which 4 skill OBVIOUSLY trumps 7 magic attack and 2 conserve MP, isn't morrigan's robe actually inferior to weskit?

 

[pchan]

No, it really isn't.


So let me get this straight. You're advocating the use of demon's cloak (INT5 skill10) over weskit/AF+1 hat(INT5 skill6 matk7 cmp2 -- skill difference of 4 in case you suck at math, at the cost of 7 magic attack and 2 conserve MP.) You then, in the next line, state that AF2 hat+weskit "is the way to go unless you got morrigan body." Let's compare the two scenarios. genie/AF2 = skill16 matk7 cmp2. morrigan's/AF2 = INT8 skill10 matk5. Now by your logic from the previous example (demon vs. af/weskit), in which 4 skill OBVIOUSLY trumps 7 magic attack and 2 conserve MP, isn't morrigan's robe actually inferior to weskit?

Because you are obviously forgetting the 8 INT from morrigan body ....

 

[Necrosis]

Because you are obviously forgetting the 8 INT from morrigan body ....

No, I'm not. With my setup on standard endgame mob(s) morrigan's robe is an improvement of ~1.5-2% over genie, whereas demon's -> genie/AF1+1 is ~4%. Only the former sacrifices 6 skill, whereas the latter sacrifices 4.

edit: **disclaimer** I'm not actually trying to say that morrigan's has no worth, just pointing out how ridiculous it is to flaunt morrigan's as the best body piece ever when stating that BLMs should use demon's cloak over weskit/AF+1. Just figured someone was bound to misinterpret me eventually.

 

[Knightblade]

isn't morrigan's robe actually inferior to weskit?

Demon's Cloak or bust.