Blm, Is it for real, or just nuking?

[Peregrine]

There, I think we're all caught up.

You people are silly...anal retentive competitive should be in the DSMIV. There is such a thing as "good enough" when it comes to going into a BC or a mission or anything that isn't OVERTLY competitive. You want to do the best? Oh I don't think so. I think you're too incompetent to do it any other way. You have no idea how to do anything in the game without throwing the imbalance at it. CoP proved that the game is full of incompetent losers who can't get it up without resorting to rigged wins. The thought of going into a bc60 with pld whm blm thf mnk rdm scares the hell out of you, because you just don't have the talent to make that guaranteed.

I can take what you throw away and win with it. Am I just that good? No, you're just that bad, and they're just that good. I simply see the truth of the game that only a nerf can force you to see.

 

[Firestreak]

Blm have: A more complicated job in terms of actual playing, requiring actual startegy.
Blm have: A great use in any XP PT and huge usefulness in all endgames activities.

Blm negative: extremely weak solo ability. For all the endgame stuff we can get into easily because of high usefulness, we have the worst reward. In fact, the odds are high that even if you have leveled other jobs, by leveling BLM you in fact, lower your reward.

Example: You level BLM and MNK.
Your LS member only levels MNK.
You are always asked to come as BLM.
There are more rewards for MNK than BLM.
Something for MNK drops, you let MNK only get it first because you'll wind up being BLM anyway so it's better for LS the MNK only gets it.
MNK gets item, MNK leaves LS.
You complain, people go "omg he earned it don't complain!"
Welcome to the life of a Blackmage.

If you want to lower our strength, maybe try giving us more than 1 fucking item out of sky that's from just Genbu. How about 1 item from the 3 kings that's actually more useful for BLM than an item much more easily obtained?

But you melees sit back and bitch while we do the work for you then ya get your shit and leave.

 

[Peregrine]

I think so long as the FFXI community seeks to solve problems by the quickest and easiest means possible, there will always be that "one job" that works best in the cheap, gimmicky sense.

Hmm I don't think so. What are you going to take to Ouryu if you can't spam eagle eye shot on it or freeze on it? They do the same thing--concentrate damage. Lol are you going to take thieves? He'll spike flail you!

I think people are running out of options. Summoner looms there, and is getting nervous that they'll be discovered next. My guess is that if the refugees get booted from black mage, they may go to summoner. Sorry, but summoners work a heck of a lot harder and put up with a heck of a lot more **** than a blm ever will. The server needs a few more summoners too. But if summoner ever gets to be a problem, they know what to do.

Ranger isn't ruined. It's fine. Rangers are still great. They're just not half as imbalanced as they used to be. There is a difference between "great" and "imbalanced." Samurai is "great." It's not "imbalanced."

 

[Pompidou]

I do my BCNM 60s (Wild Wild Whiskers) with a Monk (Igor), White Mage (Loofa) and myself (A Black Mage). I have a static party with a Paladin (Skreb), a Summoner (Lrron), a Rdm (Starks), a Thf (Naokochan), a Rng (Lordmace) and myself. I like teaming with a wide variety of jobs. I make my gil off of converting cuttings to saplings and occasional BCNM 60s. I don't think I've ever benefitted by screwing someone else over. I'm a Blm, and you wouldn't think it possible reading the stereotype described here. I agree with Peregrine on the idea that every job should be equally respected, but I have to admit, the bitter hatred of my job is pretty tough to read. You have some good points Peregrine, but sometimes, it's not what you say, but how you say it, that wins the argument. I think you'd have a lot more people on your side if you phased your arguments kinder. I mean, who's gonna argue against equality and teamwork? If your argument puts people on the defensive from the start, they won't really be replying to the meat of your argument. Noone wins.

 

[Peregrine]

Blm have: A more complicated job in terms of actual playing, requiring actual startegy.
Blm have: A great use in any XP PT and huge usefulness in all endgames activities.

Blm negative: extremely weak solo ability. For all the endgame stuff we can get into easily because of high usefulness, we have the worst reward. In fact, the odds are high that even if you have leveled other jobs, by leveling BLM you in fact, lower your reward.

Example: You level BLM and MNK.
Your LS member only levels MNK.
You are always asked to come as BLM.
There are more rewards for MNK than BLM.
Something for MNK drops, you let MNK only get it first because you'll wind up being BLM anyway so it's better for LS the MNK only gets it.
MNK gets item, MNK leaves LS.
You complain, people go "omg he earned it don't complain!"
Welcome to the life of a Blackmage.

If you want to lower our strength, maybe try giving us more than 1 fucking item out of sky that's from just Genbu. How about 1 item from the 3 kings that's actually more useful for BLM than an item much more easily obtained?

But you melees sit back and bitch while we do the work for you then ya get your shit and leave.

Lol "you melees." Another affected blm. You think your job is complicated? I think it's babysitting you. Bangup strategy there...freeze freeze freeze freeze freeze Ouryu. Thundaga III Thundaga III Thundaga III Thundaga III Thundaga III....^16 divine might.

OMG MY HEAD HURTS FROM TEH THOUGHT OF IT.
By the way, fire...YOU were the blm who told me I can't get 7500 xp with a thief and a dragoon in the party. What the **** would you know about inviting a blm over a monk? Nerf a blm and maybe you'll get to see what others are really capable of, and not merely what you think they're capable of.

 

[Odon]

But you melees sit back and bitch while we do the work for you then ya get your shit and leave.

Quoted for the truth.

 

[Firestreak]

No Peregrine, I said YOU and a Dragoon couldn't get 7500 xp/hour.

 

[Peregrine]

Your memory fails you. You sure you belong in the black mage job? I think they need intelligence.

 

[Firestreak]

Better someone with my skill as a someone's blackmage than someone with your smarts as someone's doctor.

 

[Peregrine]

So you misremembered. I see, apology accepted.

 

[Peregrine]

This page right here was my ultimate goal in being here. Little Odon and Little firestreak, in the same thread, talking about stuckup little snot black mages who think they're the ****. This could NOT have turned out better. I'm so ****ing impressed with myself right now I feel guilty.

Now that I have both your attention, here we go. Listen up. I've been waiting a LONG time for this.


Enjoy your nerf.

 

[Firestreak]

Oooo I'm scared.

 

[Mirewen]

I still think you're ignorant. I try to get the job done with the least amount of BLM's possible, which means atleast one. Me. I never said anything about not needing other classes for anything. Skill > Class. You're putting us all in the same pile.

 

[Hronorigger]

But you melees sit back and bitch while we do the work for you then ya get your shit and leave.

Quoted for the truth.

Example: You level BLM and MNK.
Your LS member only levels MNK.
You are always asked to come as BLM.
There are more rewards for MNK than BLM.
Something for MNK drops, you let MNK only get it first because you'll wind up being BLM anyway so it's better for LS the MNK only gets it.
MNK gets item, MNK leaves LS.
You complain, people go "omg he earned it don't complain!"
Welcome to the life of a Blackmage.

/nod I couldn't agree with you more

 

[Peregrine]

I try to get the job done with the least amount of BLM's possible, which means atleast one.

It's like you're trying so hard to not be a blm fangirl, it really is. Come on, you can do it!

 

[Mirewen]

BLM fangirl? I've had my BLM since release date. Again your ignorance shows through, you think anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong.

 

[Skaw]

Every job has its bad apples. Manaburns, Bone-cannons, Rampage-parties - there are multiple jobs that can make average to better than average exp by neglecting other jobs. I agree that these parties hinder a sense of inter-job teamwork, but let's not single out manaburns alone. In fairness, nerf one or nerf them all. Skaw, you don't like bone-cannons, and that's all good and well. You're a team player. You're not the percieved majority though. I'm a blm that's never been in and never wants to manaburn. It means I'd have to do extra skillup parties to keep my magic up to par. If I'm going to skillup, it's only going to be for skills I can't normally cap in traditional exp - melee. I don't enjoy skilling up, so traditional exp parties limit them.

If I were going to do endgame I would prefer to join the expedition with as few other blms as possible. Let's face it - blm drops in endgame are scarce indeed. For Gods, we have Kirin's Pole (arguable), and Zenith Mitts. For Dynamis, there are 15 other jobs that can possibly get Relic armor. In the event that the (I hear relatively rare) blm armor drops, I wouldn't want to compete with 60 other blms for the lot. To be perfectly honest, in an ideal situation, I'd rather no other blms were around. Stacking jobs is counterproductive to individual gain. I believe someone here had an idea for an all blm Dynamis team, and that was one of the problems mentioned.

The problem is, stacking monks against skeletons in Ranperres... thats the only way you can pump over 3k/hour out of that place. It's a shithole for 75.

All relic armor has an equal chance of dropping, so if somethings rare, they're all rare. You don't need a lot of Black Mages for Dynamis. Thats a load of crock people come up with. The only thing a BLM is entirely required for is taking down tombstones(DRKs and RDMs can do this as well hurrrr) and sleeping Carbuncles(Lullaby resistant, again, DRK and RDM can do this.) Which 2-3 can do efficiently on their own.

The only ones that make it sound like you need a lot of Black Mages, are Black Mages themselves. No one job is required for anything. You don't need BLMs for Dynamis. You don't need MNKs to PT against Skeletons. You don't need THFs to have a 100% hate-glued tank. You don't need a RDM/BRD to have an awesome party. You don't need a WHM to keep your party up. You don't need a PLD/NIN to play tank.

Blm have: A more complicated job in terms of actual playing, requiring actual startegy.
Blm have: A great use in any XP PT and huge usefulness in all endgames activities.

Blm negative: extremely weak solo ability. For all the endgame stuff we can get into easily because of high usefulness, we have the worst reward. In fact, the odds are high that even if you have leveled other jobs, by leveling BLM you in fact, lower your reward.

Example: You level BLM and MNK.
Your LS member only levels MNK.
You are always asked to come as BLM.
There are more rewards for MNK than BLM.
Something for MNK drops, you let MNK only get it first because you'll wind up being BLM anyway so it's better for LS the MNK only gets it.
MNK gets item, MNK leaves LS.
You complain, people go "omg he earned it don't complain!"
Welcome to the life of a Blackmage.

If you want to lower our strength, maybe try giving us more than 1 fucking item out of sky that's from just Genbu. How about 1 item from the 3 kings that's actually more useful for BLM than an item much more easily obtained?

But you melees sit back and bitch while we do the work for you then ya get your shit and leave.

Suck it up. Come as whatever job you want. Kirin and Genbu are the only ones that really benefit from having Black Mages. Even then, Kirin not as much as Genbu. The other ones can be melee'd to death very easily.

And if you do come as BLM, if your shell isn't letting you take your fair share of the reward, they're screwing you. Not Melees, the entire shells loot distribution design.

 

[meeze]

how about on weds dynamis run you don't use a blm cannon, let the wars dgs and drks go after the stones, lets see how far we get.

i'm a love it when sleepga gets nerfed along with the nukes, just to see how many mmore blm's will be needed, 3 blm cannons? 4?

they didn't just nerf rng damage, they nerfed everything from barrage to EES, if they nerf blm, the same thing is going to happen.

 

[Mirewen]

Blm have: A more complicated job in terms of actual playing, requiring actual startegy.
Blm have: A great use in any XP PT and huge usefulness in all endgames activities.

Blm negative: extremely weak solo ability. For all the endgame stuff we can get into easily because of high usefulness, we have the worst reward. In fact, the odds are high that even if you have leveled other jobs, by leveling BLM you in fact, lower your reward.

Example: You level BLM and MNK.
Your LS member only levels MNK.
You are always asked to come as BLM.
There are more rewards for MNK than BLM.
Something for MNK drops, you let MNK only get it first because you'll wind up being BLM anyway so it's better for LS the MNK only gets it.
MNK gets item, MNK leaves LS.
You complain, people go "omg he earned it don't complain!"
Welcome to the life of a Blackmage.

If you want to lower our strength, maybe try giving us more than 1 fucking item out of sky that's from just Genbu. How about 1 item from the 3 kings that's actually more useful for BLM than an item much more easily obtained?

I have to agree with Fire here. Although Skaw is right that you can actually go as whatever you want, try to get the LS to agree with you when you'd rather come as a melee. I've been a NIN and THF at gods. People always seem to bitch that there aren't enough BLMs or SMNs.

 

[Peregrine]

Doesn't surprise me in the least bit that you agree. People ***** about not having enough blms or summoners because they're not good enough to succeed without flocking to imbalance. Nerf them. Force them to do without instead of whining that they're without.

Meh, I've soloed a stone before. Not kited. Top of the jeuno mansion slugfest, me versus a stone. It's not that bad. I'd just prefer that mages do it. That's why we have 5 or so blms. We have 5 or so plds. There's not much a monk can do in dynamis but beat **** up. Can't hold that against them, that's why I invite them. Beat **** up is the most important part of dynamis. The stones, tanking, and pulls...just fringe. The most important part of dynamis once you know what you're doing is the power of the camp. Not the power of the blms.