Confusing DMG mods~ And back to the Osode debate.

[jamal]

sword/sword would have say did not see that one coming. Have ask though someone who is fighting for pcc>all why you using a torque?

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Find one instance where I said PCC > All.

YOU said this:

You was one that said it not I, as I said before don't need pcc with the setup I have and would never get pcc even if I had the best setup because it is not needed, I have one for lvling a job that is all once job hit 60 chiv chain is better. Only exception would be maybe mnk and thf.

After this is where I told you you can't just say its better, you need to bring MONUMENTAL testing to the floor to PROVE its better. THEN i told you to bring PARSES...

 

[hellstorm]

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Find one instance where I said PCC > All.

YOU said this:



After this is where I told you you can't just say its better, you need to bring MONUMENTAL testing to the floor to PROVE its better. THEN i told you to bring PARSES...

Right better then pcc not torque. If you think the torque is better then why did you not not say something when KB said lol temp torque. You oveously don't use the 5 vit for sword build so be same boat as me and temp torque yet you don't defend the torque when they say there worthless.

 

[jamal]

right better then pcc not torque.

What am I saying that is so difficult to comprehend?

 

[jamal]

PARSE - provides a detailed analysis of special game action affects, attacks, missed attacks, and special actions over a given length of time

translation

PARSE - lets you know if your current gear setup is gimp

letters

 

[Mattaru]

What you afraid that I prove you wrong if you post your setup? Like I said there pcc/hau not the only setup only way I use them would be if I had a heca cap. I'll post mine soon enough I just want see what you think the ultimate setup is. I also like see what other war think the best setup is (more so best setup pre- hecca cap/e body ) Don't want you go change your gear on my behalf.:wink: In fact ill make ss of my gear you can can see I didn't change a thing. Apr 1 2008 2:10 ss taken post your setups if want see my cards.:spiteful::evilsmile: Also those who rated me down you wait long enough you will see.

It's not poker, it's a claim. For old time's sake - PROTIP: claims must be warranted, for a case to be legitimate they must be prima facie - this means you have to present evidence for a case. Whether that be parses or your setup.

 

[hellstorm]

sigh since you wars are not going work with me in posting ws setup ill guess ill shout from the hip, and guess at the gear you use, by that of those I have seen.
Now as you know the most promedent set that everyone wishes for is a set that has enough acc/dex to warrant using meat but enough atk/str to keep you above the 500 range.
Please forgive me in advance for the length of this post but if you wait till the end you will see my CLAIM and why I state that PCC/Haub not the only way to get the most of your gear.

This is my gear. Once I get heca feet +1, ill trade the bomb core for a bomblet, and yes I know I need a forgers(it on my to get list).
With this setup I sit at (first set without above needed gear, second set with above needed gear)
99atk > 94atk
34str > 42str
48acc > 48acc
25dex > 29dex

Which you can see is similar to that of itchiii, but with a larger str and atk %. Of course that with temp torque. If I had CC the str would go up by 3, but the atk would go down as well as the acc. I using sushi switch the ulth ring with flame. Now you going say well hell I get that high str, but how much acc are you going to loss? Lot people take of fowlers put on triump congrats I now have beat your acc setup and still keep more str if I was wearing a CC. Now As I said heca/cc can be better pre heca cap. When getting heca cap you would need the extra atk from haub, and the extra acc from pcc. A person who is using
man/juggy, fire bomblet
heca cap, pcc, brutal, fowlers
haub, heca hands, rajas, uthalm.
forgers, potent, b. haidate, heca feet
would have
83atk
42str
46acc
37dex

most likely be the most premo setup next to having adabek, war stone, and in my option temp torque. However until you get that heca cap my setup is the best that I have been able to get to the premo set.

 

[jamal]

So let me get this strait you would gimp yourself with eating inferior food or putting on a lol earing instead of losing 5 acc and gaining 3 str 1 tp. Do you have no concept of getting the most out of your gear. If I need the acc I would use pcc, but normally I sit had 90% acc rating and normally one the highest on the parse.

This was not you that said this? Parsing 90% with Chivalrous Chain? You also said this:

You was one that said it not I, as I said before don't need pcc with the setup I have and would never get pcc even if I had the best setup because it is not needed, I have one for lvling a job that is all once job hit 60 chiv chain is better. Only exception would be maybe mnk and thf.

If all you're truly trying to prove is WS gear, then its not that big of a deal. You were making claims that you parsed 90% accuracy while using chivalrous chain. THAT is where the major issue is.

 

[Kairiboo]

sigh since you wars are not going work with me in posting ws setup ill guess ill shout from the hip, and guess at the gear you use, by that of those I have seen.

Hellstorm please stop reading just what you want to read. They want a bit more than just "here is my set up" ...

 

[hellstorm]

Hellstorm please stop reading just what you want to read. They want a bit more than just "here is my set up" ...

now now, I'm sorry I'm not con artist like yourself. The stats so it all My keep same acc, but with higher atk/str. don't even need a parse to show that. With my setup have enough acc to eat meat and keep the 500 atk cap needed to eat top tier meat with str to spare, allowing my ws ceiling to be higher then that of you pcc acc setup. With both using heca body and well this case temp torque but C.C work well to.

 

[jamal]

now now, I'm sorry I'm not con artist like yourself. The stats so it all My keep same acc, but with higher atk/str. don't even need a parse to show that. With my setup have enough acc to eat meat and keep the 500 atk cap needed to eat top tier meat with str to spare, allowing my ws ceiling to be higher then that of you pcc acc setup. With both using heca body and well this case temp torque but C.C work well to.

This was not you that said this? Parsing 90% with Chivalrous Chain? You also said this:

You was one that said it not I, as I said before don't need pcc with the setup I have and would never get pcc even if I had the best setup because it is not needed, I have one for lvling a job that is all once job hit 60 chiv chain is better. Only exception would be maybe mnk and thf.

If all you're truly trying to prove is WS gear, then its not that big of a deal. You were making claims that you parsed 90% accuracy while using chivalrous chain. THAT is where the major issue is.

Forgot to respond to me chief.

 

[hellstorm]

Forgot to respond to me chief.

Get to you in a bit.

 

[jamal]

Get to you in a bit.

Stop wasting time and end this discussion...

You're speaking like you've actually proven something when of course you can make a STR+ ACC+ piece of gear work on a WS. Show me some substantial proof for claims you've been making for two days now about winning parses while having 90% accuracy, and stop beating around the bush. Everyone reading this has wasted enough time trying to interpret what you're saying, so either show me something substantial that warrants discussion or I'm done giving you the respect in any DD discussion from this point forward.

 

[Itachiii]

Why would you drop millions of gil for +2 STR and DEX (Heca piecesx2) when you could of used it for a Hauby +1, PCC and Firebomblet for -4 attack but +1 STR/DEX and +13 accuracy which would of been used for both TP AND WS. +13 accuracy would greatly outweigh the loss in attack if you are using meat.

 

[Mattaru]

Why would you drop millions of gil for +2 STR and DEX (Heca piecesx2) when you could of used it for a Hauby +1, PCC and Firebomblet for -4 attack but +1 STR/DEX and +13 accuracy which would of been used for both TP AND WS. +13 accuracy would greatly outweigh the loss in attack if you are using meat.

Don't try to rationalize the irrational?

 

[Knightblade]

I really try to take Hellstorm seriously sometimes, but the way he types (nothing new), I'm really struggling here.

 

[jamal]

Just to prove a point...your gearset can be matched by PLD. SS is /nin, but I obviously could go /war to have berserk.

When your STR+ and DEX+ are both trumped by a PLD, you need to work with your gear.

Now will you show me the parses I'm looking for where you placed first topping 90-95% accuracy while using Chivalrous Chain.

 

[Romper]

Jamal, why dont you just parse against him? Perhaps he will bring his real DD job.....

RDM!!!!

OH! Can Pchan come along to parse his Pimpmaster?

 

[jamal]

Forgot to respond to me chief.

Get to you in a bit.

How long is 'a bit' going to be? Let me know so I know when to come back.

 

[Palides]

Haidate --> Ares' Flanchard (maybe, haven't tested yet)

I would think that the double attack + 2% adds nothing do the natural merited trait when using a multi-hit weapon, but possibly adds the average weaponskill damage. Losing some ACC, but raising fSTR by one, and possibly two. It would depend on the setup you have. Which using ada/heca might prove beneficial. Merits/weapon choice also would play a big part I think.

*Insert random Shit is situational quote*

edit: seems like I said multi-hits are affected by double-attack trait. I'm actually saying no, the flanchard does not help that, when already being a main WAR job, or even subbing /WAR and using a weapon [Justice/Joy/Soboro/etc.]

 

[jamal]

I would think that the double attack + 2% adds nothing do the natural merited trait when using a multi-hit weapon, but possibly adds the average weaponskill damage. Losing some ACC, but raising fSTR by one, and possibly two. It would depend on the setup you have. Which using ada/heca might prove beneficial. Merits/weapon choice also would play a big part I think.

*Insert random Shit is situational quote*

edit: seems like I said multi-hits are affected by double-attack trait. I'm actually saying no, the flanchard does not help that, when already being a main WAR job, or even subbing /WAR and using a weapon [Justice/Joy/Soboro/etc.]

Overtime you will see 2% more DA procs on your DA-able hits on the ws (first two). Normal TP return for Hanger / Ridill is 13...during dynamis on Tuesday I tested using the flanks on ws, and proc'd more than one 15tp return, which very rarely happened before. WAR or /WAR still benefit from DA+ gear, which is why you you see WAR's wearing Brutal, and why the ares set is beneficial.

Haidate are always the best for TP, no matter what the weapon, assuming the rest of your gear can make up for the 5% DA bonus from having full ares. WS the only debate is the loss of CRIT consistency...a loss of 9 DEX is still quite a bit...which is why it needs testing.