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A job that has been shit on for years, getting one positive thing, Assassin, since the beginning of time suddenly gets some love and people whine about it?

Shut ass.

You don't pick Thief, it picks you. It's a job I love and all nice things that happen to it are just a bonus. Yet people whine about THFs getting a bump to their damage. wtf?

As for Assassin's Charge, I don't know the answer. Of course, it's totally useless if you can't stack it. Rori, I know you wanna be the first to blow 3 merits on figuring that out. :P

I'm going with grass-roots merits till I find out more.
 
Amazing. Thf has been hit with the nerf bat accidentally at least 3 times that I know of and now that we get an upgrade that improves our dps and sata damage people bitch about it that arent thf.

Wow ninja the most overabused main and subjob's merits dont give them overpowering 1k damage san spells that can be spun in an ele wheel. Bard doesnt get to keep thier perma flee glitch ect.. Whoopty fucking do.....
NOt like youre gonna lose invites because of it.....
Thf on the otherhand gain invites because of this update. Why cant you at least be happy for the thf that get to enjoy thier new boosts?
I'm sure everyones cheering on the rdm and mnks that get to use phalanx and formlesss strikes or whatever.
 
Sneakypants said:
A job that has been shit on for years, getting one positive thing, Assassin, since the beginning of time suddenly gets some love and people whine about it?

Shut ass.

You don't pick Thief, it picks you. It's a job I love and all nice things that happen to it are just a bonus. Yet people whine about THFs getting a bump to their damage. wtf?
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<3uSneaky

Since when was THF crap 60+? Say that next time you want TH2(+) for an NM hunt or when your tank can't keep hate. 1000+ weaponskills stacked on to your tank? Yes please.

I don't expect someone who hasn't played the job (high enough) to have a valid opinion though anyway.
 
Actually sneaky, THF did get one thing before Assassin - long time ago, SATA was NOT nerfed from /THF, which made THF main completely worthless 60+... can't compete with a 2-3000 damage Spinning Slash, after all =x
 
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I'm so happy with this update. I'd blow 3 points, but im only 73 :(
 
I wouldn't go as far as saying that Thief is complete shit 60+, just that any DD can sub /Thf and do a fair job of keeping hate control while still dishing out high numbers. AFAIK, Thief's only problem was DoT, hopefully this update fixed this some.
 
Tagrineth said:
Actually sneaky, THF did get one thing before Assassin - long time ago, SATA was NOT nerfed from /THF, which made THF main completely worthless 60+... can't compete with a 2-3000 damage Spinning Slash, after all =x
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Which just causes the pain in the butt of lining stuff up so they can SATA. We have the ability to separate it and not have to worry about first provoke or any nonsense like that. And we can TA+SB for 1000, then go SA for another 300 damage. It's all about what your party needs also. Sometimes the SATA of a DRK or another job with thf sub just doesn't seem to work because of hate being tossed around or no other provoke. That's when a 60+ Thief steps in to set damage straight with a simple TA with or without weaponskill.

Get a good Thief in your party and they can keep hate steady for you the entire time and you can have people going all out on damage on any job. They aren't useless, most people just figure that they are. A good thief can hold out good damage and keep hate in control if needed. If we were completely useless then there would be no 60+ thieves. And not to mention the need people seem to have for TH2(+) in endgame.
 
Khajit said:
Amazing. Thf has been hit with the nerf bat accidentally at least 3 times that I know of and now that we get an upgrade that improves our dps and sata damage people bitch about it that arent thf.

Wow ninja the most overabused main and subjob's merits dont give them overpowering 1k damage san spells that can be spun in an ele wheel. Bard doesnt get to keep thier perma flee glitch ect.. Whoopty fucking do.....
NOt like youre gonna lose invites because of it.....
Thf on the otherhand gain invites because of this update. Why cant you at least be happy for the thf that get to enjoy thier new boosts?
I'm sure everyones cheering on the rdm and mnks that get to use phalanx and formlesss strikes or whatever.
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1: You're an idiot, my referenc was to SE's reasoning, learn to read. I have Thf friends and ALWAYS want a Thf in pt. "Some people" where does that say "I"? Not even in the words, shut up and read.

2: Phalanx II is crap, I will not be wasting my merits unless someone it becomes at least 1.5x better than Phalanx. Sorry, I could care less about tank buffs as Rdm. If I want to buff I play Rdm. Sure, -someone- has to merit it to have it but don't generalize. A Rdm's main job is enfeeb, I am happy with Para and Slow II.

Faule said:
<3uSneaky

Since when was THF crap 60+? Say that next time you want TH2(+) for an NM hunt or when your tank can't keep hate. 1000+ weaponskills stacked on to your tank? Yes please.

I don't expect someone who hasn't played the job (high enough) to have a valid opinion though anyway.
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Since when did I say Thf was "crap"? I said -some people- I swear does logging into this forum make selective reading an active trait or do people here actually not comprehend the language very well?
TH2 is 45 and I don't mooch off my friends for NM's unless they offer. I can solo NM's fine as /thf and be just as well without wasting someone elses time. Point fails.
And if my tank can't keep hate, I replace them or the DD that can't hold back. Simple.

Thf is my favorite hate planter, but is in no way even considered as a DD slot when I exp.
healer: WHM
refresher: RDM(or BRD)
tank: PLD(or NIN)
puller/hate control: THF(always if seeking, if not... skipped)
DD: WAR(or BLM pending situation as preferred DD, seconded by MNK then DRK)
SC Builder: SAM(if possible, if not, DRG)

Simple, and I love Thf, stop thinking I'm saying "zomg nerf" I'm just in awe at SE's logic to keep kicking Thf in the face then juice the crap out of them.
 
Windy said:
2: Phalanx II is crap, I will not be wasting my merits unless someone it becomes at least 1.5x better than Phalanx. Sorry, I could care less about tank buffs as Rdm. If I want to buff I play Rdm. Sure, -someone- has to merit it to have it but don't generalize. A Rdm's main job is enfeeb, I am happy with Para and Slow II.
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Note To Self: Never invite Windaria/Shaidalyn/whatthefuckever to PT cause they don't want to do thier job to the fullest extent.
 
Windy said:
Thief were never meant to be high in DPS anyhow. They are for hate transfer. If you want DD you should invite a War, Drk, or other REAL DD JOB.
I suppose this is to counter the fact Thf is crap 60+ in most people's eyes for exp.
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I never said everyone thought it either. It doesn't say everyone in my reply either. And the way you put it made it as though it was your opinion as well.

And you obviously haven't had a good Thief in your party if you can't consider it DD. And on behalf of all thieves I apologize for whatever n00bs you've gotten. :(
 
Faule, the /THF nerf came long before Assassin was added. =x At the time, THF main had to either use both or ignore TA altogether too.
 
Windy said:
Thief were never meant to be high in DPS anyhow. They are for hate transfer. If you want DD you should invite a War, Drk, or other REAL DD JOB.
I suppose this is to counter the fact Thf is crap 60+ in most people's eyes for exp.

Still, Charge, it stack or no?
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1.) I seem to note the part about thf not being a REAL dd job somewhere in the sentence. Also i wasnt even aiming it specifically at you completely so quit your bitching. If I was aiming it at you I'd have said your name.
The fact that many of the thf here probably equal/keepup to or outdd other "REAL" DD also makes them more likely to be angered by that statement.

2.) Phalanx 2 was some random thing used off the top of my head "Windy" you idiot. It's quite obvious rdm can merit para or slow 2 instead for that example.
 
Skaw said:
Note To Self: Never invite Windaria/Shaidalyn/whatthefuckever to PT cause they don't want to do thier job to the fullest extent.
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Note To Self: Never invite Windaria/Shaidalyn/whatthefuckever to PT cause they don't want to do thier job to the fullest extent.
 
Phalanx2... crap?

At level 75 with no enhancing skill mods, it does 14 damage cut, as opposed to 23 from phalanx 1. 3 points, and it's up to 20. With enhancing skill mods, probably 23-24. For a pld, that's probably more than what a defending ring can do in most scenarios. -_-

Well, to each his own, I guess.
 
Tagrineth said:
Actually sneaky, THF did get one thing before Assassin - long time ago, SATA was NOT nerfed from /THF, which made THF main completely worthless 60+... can't compete with a 2-3000 damage Spinning Slash, after all =x
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So SATA is what you are referring to?

I'm talking about things that weren't part of original abilities. Hence, "got" (implied "additions")
I didn't start till RotZ but I thought SATA (level 15 and 30 abilities) was part of the original set of abilities. If it wasn't, then giving SATA was just "balancing"...Gotta give each job something.
THF doesn't need to compete with 2-3000 SS. THF does enough good damage and provides flexibility to a party. Oh and we can tank when we piss off a MOB, unlike our SS counterparts.

The only one bringing competition into this is you. What you need to realize is there has never been a competition outside of the Special Olympics of FFXI in your head. Check this shit at the door. Seriously.
 
Hay sneaky, eat shit, that post was meant to be slightly humourous, but seriously, before /THF got fixed, THF main -was- worthless 60+. When Spinning Slash does over 2000 damage, the mob DIES. Survivability wasn't even a concern. The /THF fix WAS a positive thing for THF -

Sneakypants said:
A job that has been shit on for years, getting one positive thing, Assassin, since the beginning of time suddenly gets some love and people whine about it?
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But thanks for throwing the first stone. No, really. Thanks. I appreciate it.
 
Tagrineth said:
Hay sneaky, eat shit, that post was meant to be slightly humourous, but seriously, before /THF got fixed, THF main -was- worthless 60+. When Spinning Slash does over 2000 damage, the mob DIES. Survivability wasn't even a concern. The /THF fix WAS a positive thing for THF -



But thanks for throwing the first stone. No, really. Thanks. I appreciate it.
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So now that your point makes no point, it's a "joke"...Same old shit.

lol w/e bitch. Troll much?

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=10;mid=115382311341236422;num=16;page=1
 
Run back to QCNN, flamer fag.
 
lol, you say I'm tossing stones, but all I did was respond to your BS.


Then you post shit on Alla, in the THF forum, and to what end? IDK what makes dorks like you tick, but you sure are an annoying little shit.
 
Tagrineth said:
Run back to QCNN, flamer fag.
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I've always used all the forums...Go back to trying to suck yourself.
 
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