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JP said:
Why do threads keep turning into Dynamis BS, sheesh.
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Yeah, that's my fault this time, I'll admit it, and apologize. I just like pointing out inconsistencies in logic, and they seem to be incredibly prevalent on these boards.
 
This just in, wagewar is farming in Lower Jeuno's AH. Do not CC him there till he leaves
 
Divinius said:
Yeah, that's my fault this time, I'll admit it, and apologize. I just like pointing out inconsistencies in logic, and they seem to be incredibly prevalent on these boards.
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Kay. Time to let go, I think.
 
Divinius said:
Yeah, that's my fault this time, I'll admit it, and apologize. I just like pointing out inconsistencies in logic, and they seem to be incredibly prevalent on these boards.
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You are just addicted to the last word, aren't you?

You realize that you're trolling again, right? Trying to reignite the same argument all over again?

The whole "Well, it was my fault, but I only did it because I don't agree with the stance other people are taking" schtick is tired. It should have ended before it got to the italics. The way you did it is simply trying to establish some level of moral superiority in an issue where, quite frankly, you failed to present an adequate case for your argument.

I've said this before, a thousand times, and I've no difficulty saying it again; community standards are defined by the community, and what is acceptable behavior on one issue may well not be acceptable behavior on another, regardless of any tenuous connection between the two. The meat eater can be against murder without the charge of hypocrisy, because the community has decided that cows taste good and it's okay to eat them.

You can try and shriek about hypocrisy all you like, but it's largely meaningless, particularly when, in dragging that debate to non-related topics, you yourself become open to the charge of hypocrisy in your criticism of the behavior of others.
 
Myrrh said:
Div, I dub thee Peregrine 2.0
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No no, that's just mean. It's not like he charges into every thread and immediately brings up Dynamis...

Hmmm...
 
Lol Peregrine. Oh the precious memories.
 
jyakotsu said:
This just in, wagewar is farming in Lower Jeuno's AH. Do not CC him there till he leaves
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I don't have my /seacom up saying I'm farming Bird Feathers at the AH, therefore CC would be impossible and expected. Stay away from my moogle.
 
K. Ishitar said:
still it was a good laugh, and I never seen raes so pissed rofl
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I'm not pissed off, lol. I can scarcely remember the last time I got genuinely upset with someone on these boards... Probably that Seppeku guy, or however it was spelled.

I really didn't like him.
 
Raesvelg said:
You are just addicted to the last word, aren't you?
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Guilty. An admitted character flaw of mine.

Raesvelg said:
You realize that you're trolling again, right? Trying to reignite the same argument all over again?
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This time? Yes.

Raesvelg said:
I've said this before, a thousand times, and I've no difficulty saying it again; community standards are defined by the community, and what is acceptable behavior on one issue may well not be acceptable behavior on another, regardless of any tenuous connection between the two.
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Here's where I continue the argument that I had planned to drop, as it admittedly should not have been brought up in this thread. But it's here now, so here we go.

First of all, you are correct. Standards are defined by the community. And the ONE THING that most all of the people on these boards just REFUSE TO FUCKING ACCEPT, is that Quetz as a server is now comprised of TWO PREVIOUSLY DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. The server merge was fucking FOUR MONTHS ago, so I think it's high time you guys start to accept this. Behavior that was considered perfectly acceptable in one community, was not considered acceptable on the other. Given the circumstances, the amount of compromise these boards saw from the members of the incoming community is an impressive testament to that community.

I can tell you, as a previous member of the "other" community, that myself and all the other "outsider" people that have tried their damnedest to use and abide by the system that was in place on these boards are getting really fucking tired of hearing people like you constantly blaming "us" for its inevitable downfall. You tout your system as completely infallible, while refusing to accept that maybe, just maybe, it's downfall is that (like any other system of compromise) it dimply DOES NOT HOLD UP when there's actual COMPETITION involved. You know what causes a LOT of competition? Doubling the number of people on a server. The recent and impending SE changes are just going to add more. You and people like you can sit there and continue to QQ over the loss of a good thing, and blame "those pesky Midgarders" all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that I was trying to point out by my initial statement....

Any system that invites or encourages direct competition between people cannot be continually constrained as that competition increases. At some point, the competition is going to be so strong, that it becomes impossible to fairly organize that system.

Farming and exp parties may be a different animal, but that's only because they are already to the point of competition where the concept of trying to organize and maintain a system to fairly distribute them would be ludicrous. HNMs have been FAR past that point for years, hence why there's no QCDN system for who gets to claim the next Fafnir.

Dynamis is going that way too, and blaming your new (or no longer very new) server occupants isn't fair, or even logical anymore, yet people continue to do it.

The double-standards I've witnessed on these boards since joining have been laughable. People like the OP ripped apart for seeking fairness and a mindset of "sharing" that which is not easily shared, by the SAME people that expect (no... DEMAND) that everyone play fair when it comes to their precious Dynamis schedule.
 
Divinius said:
Guilty. An admitted character flaw of mine.



This time? Yes.



Here's where I continue the argument that I had planned to drop, as it admittedly should not have been brought up in this thread. But it's here now, so here we go.

First of all, you are correct. Standards are defined by the community. And the ONE THING that most all of the people on these boards just REFUSE TO FUCKING ACCEPT, is that Quetz as a server is now comprised of TWO PREVIOUSLY DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. The server merge was fucking FOUR MONTHS ago, so I think it's high time you guys start to accept this. Behavior that was considered perfectly acceptable in one community, was not considered acceptable on the other. Given the circumstances, the amount of compromise these boards saw from the members of the incoming community is an impressive testament to that community.

I can tell you, as a previous member of the "other" community, that myself and all the other "outsider" people that have tried their damnedest to use and abide by the system that was in place on these boards are getting really fucking tired of hearing people like you constantly blaming "us" for its inevitable downfall. You tout your system as completely infallible, while refusing to accept that maybe, just maybe, it's downfall is that (like any other system of compromise) it dimply DOES NOT HOLD UP when there's actual COMPETITION involved. You know what causes a LOT of competition? Doubling the number of people on a server. The recent and impending SE changes are just going to add more. You and people like you can sit there and continue to QQ over the loss of a good thing, and blame "those pesky Midgarders" all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that I was trying to point out by my initial statement....

Any system that invites or encourages direct competition between people cannot be continually constrained as that competition increases. At some point, the competition is going to be so strong, that it becomes impossible to fairly organize that system.

Farming and exp parties may be a different animal, but that's only because they are already to the point of competition where the concept of trying to organize and maintain a system to fairly distribute them would be ludicrous. HNMs have been FAR past that point for years, hence why there's no QCDN system for who gets to claim the next Fafnir.

Dynamis is going that way too, and blaming your new (or no longer very new) server occupants isn't fair, or even logical anymore, yet people continue to do it.

The double-standards I've witnessed on these boards since joining have been laughable. People like the OP ripped apart for seeking fairness and a mindset of "sharing" that which is not easily shared, by the SAME people that expect (no... DEMAND) that everyone play fair when it comes to their precious Dynamis schedule.
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/facepalm. You tell others that they miss the points of posts yet you completely let about 10 posts just WOOOSH over your head.

Nice one peregrine.
 
Seriously, not only are we going to talk about how fucking Dynamis is completely irrelevant to this thread, but how Quetz is now composed of two fucking servers again? I couldn't read past the fourth sentence after the third quote because I am sooooo sick of hearing this shit. I'm so happy I quit this game before the server merge because I would probably be in the same shoes as Myrrh.
 
Myrrh said:
Same shoes as me?
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always having dick up ass, always looking to shove proverbial foot up random person's ass etc etc. <3
 
And here we go again.

To sum it up: Yes it's Midgard's fault, yes the system held up fine with considerably more people utilizing it in the old days before server populations declined, yes it was more difficult to schedule but it still worked, yes the system will likely not continue to work indefinitely in the face of oncoming level cap raises, no this is not a case of double standards, no you cannot expect to reserve a farming area for your exclusive use, no (again) this does not equate to Dynamis scheduling for a wide variety of reasons already discussed, no you cannot keep shifting the blame for the slow disintegration of the Dynamis scheduling board onto uncontrollable circumstances yet, no I don't play on Quetzalcoatl so my perspective is that of an outsider and I have no fucking investment in the damn Dynamis scheduling system because we don't fucking have one on Sylph, no this does not make my analysis of the situation less valid, and no you cannot tell me to GTFO and go back to my own server.

There.

And again "I'd planned to drop" this argument, yet you brought it up again and admitted to doing so on purpose.
 
Myrrh said:
Same shoes as me?
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More of how you get shit from Midgard people because of what you said a while back. I'd be getting shit for it as well because I would do the same thing.
 
JP said:
Seriously, not only are we going to talk about how fucking Dynamis is completely irrelevant to this thread, but how Quetz is now composed of two fucking servers again? I couldn't read past the fourth sentence after the third quote because I am sooooo sick of hearing this shit.
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Had you read past the 4th sentence (to perhaps the 5th sentence) you would have realized that my point is that I'm fucking sick of of hearing this shit too! It is still CONSTANTLY thrown in our faces by multiple posters on these forums. Not a day goes by when I don't read a post by one of the regulars making some backhanded comment about how everything has gone to shit since Quetz was "invaded".

I've apologized for making the Dynamis comparison. I shouldn't have done it, one because (while I think the connection is obvious) I understand why others would not, and two because of the incredible sensitivity on these boards regarding the topic.
 
Raesvelg said:
To sum it up: Yes it's Midgard's fault.
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To sum it up: No, it's not Midgard's fault. Ignorant people such as yourself just refuse to believe otherwise. And ALL of those Midgard shells that HAVE adopted your system (the majority of them, I'd say) would also tell you to take your opinion and shove it right up your ass.

I'm not going to change your mind any more than you are going to change mine. Ever.
 
Divinius said:
Had you read past the 4th sentence (to perhaps the 5th sentence) you would have realized that my point is that I'm fucking sick of of hearing this shit too! It is still CONSTANTLY thrown in our faces by multiple posters on these forums. Not a day goes by when I don't read a post by one of the regulars making some backhanded comment about how everything has gone to shit since Quetz was "invaded".

I've apologized for making the Dynamis comparison. I shouldn't have done it, one because (while I think the connection is obvious) I understand why others would not, and two because of the incredible sensitivity on these boards regarding the topic.
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Hey, I have an idea. Why don't you ignore it, like I usually do, and not bring it up yourself? Because personally I think Quetz and Midgard need to get the fuck over themselves and work something out. Which shouldn't be hard, but then again there are some really ignorant people on this game.
 
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