December 21, 2012 and Planet X

[Shi-do-sha]

kool things happen on my birthday

 

[Pastry]

Wow, you honestly believe that an ancient civilization 100% knows that we are fucked in 4 years? By a planet that has been pretty much proven false by the scientific community? By a planet with a 3,600 year cycle that has NEVER been seen before with actual concrete proof other than hearsay from an ancient civilization?

The Mayan's were smart, but they weren't that smart.

 

[Khajit]

while i do find it silly to scream "the end is near"(yet again) I think you're forgetting the fact that the Mayans have a calendar that is more accurate than ours atm and is only off by all of 4 seconds(after a several centureies) vs our current system which has a larger margin of error per year than Mayans have in a millennium. nice idea but the argument was incorrect in the way you applied it pastry.

 

[Dayner]

sorry nothing going to happen ... till the 7 Signs have been showen

 

[Halifirien]

Never in history has there been a date that has been so anticipated by both science and religion. ... Right now Nibiru is being tracked by a telescope in our south pole. ... Nibiru's Orbit is so intense, it's presence in our solar system will cause a lot of ruckus. ... All of what i wrote isn't even the half of it. I think it's best to prepare for the worst, cause when Nibiru appears to get closer and closer it's no laughing matter.

I'm boiling your initial post down to those few lines, because I think they're an important bit of illumination. As soon as Celvantes started attacking the flawed, pseudo-scientific bullshit you posted, you started backtracking and saying "I'm not saying I actually believe it," but the bold-faced part alone makes it very difficult to believe your assertion.

That you could even entertain this nonsense is troubling; it's straight out of Weekly World News, along with Bat Boy and Russian miners hearing the cries of the damned from some long-abandoned shaft.

 

[Anttaru]

I'm boiling your initial post down to those few lines, because I think they're an important bit of illumination. As soon as Celvantes started attacking the flawed, pseudo-scientific bullshit you posted, you started backtracking and saying "I'm not saying I actually believe it," but the bold-faced part alone makes it very difficult to believe your assertion.

The OP is non resident to the reason as to why Celvantes attacked me to begin with. I just frigging pointed out what he attacked me for did you not see it, it's on the board, go and read.

As for your thoughts on me backtracking on my word. I posted the chart and again for the millionth time, i stated i myself did not understand it. It made no sense to me. Go back and read damnit.

The 2nd chart is what i believe, and it does make sense in terms of the planet showing up as i described. That was not what Celvantes was whining about.

That you could even entertain this nonsense is troubling; it's straight out of Weekly World News, along with Bat Boy and Russian miners hearing the cries of the damned from some long-abandoned shaft.

You illuminating the OP and thinking that has anything to do with Cel's bitching, and imply that it's related to the shit i posted that i distinctly said made no sense is troubling. Are we done now Batyman ?

 

[Myrrh]

Can we stop fighting and get back to focusing about how we're all going to die 4 years from now?

 

[Halifirien]

Celvantes attacked you for posting a stream of ignorant bullshit. Getting bogged down in the unfairness of his misinterpreting one droplet in such a raging torrent doesn't help. I went back and re-read some posts, so I'll grant that you said you didn't understand how the one chart is supposed to fit... but it doesn't really change that you seem to buy into the underlying premise.

It's like believing in elves who ride unicorns. Does it really matter if you get there from Point A or Point B?

 

[Morwen]

Can we stop fighting and get back to focusing about how we're all going to die 4 years from now?

I don't know if its going to be a 'everyone dies' sort of thing.

It's said the Mayans stated a "Cleansing of the Earth", and I brought this up to the boyfriend. Apparently he's known about 12/21/2012 and has looked into its possible meaning and purpose for a while now.

I can say that I agree on many points with him when he said that it may be an energy shift; more spiritual than physical. There might be things that happen (tsunami/hurricane/mudslides/earthquakes) and there might be lives lost but its more due to the old energy leaving and the new, more peaceful energy, taking its place. He said some have considered the possibility of a time of peace after the switch. No one really knows.

I can say that I'm not so sure about a rogue planet theory, an eliptical orbit of a foregin star crossing into our solar system or our asteroid belt being a former planet destroyed by said rogue. Everyone knows that our sattellites and telescopes are too nosey to miss something like that. Peering into nebulas light years away and we miss something with an obvious retrograde orbit in our relative area. Isn't the next planet/solar system estimated to be 70million lightyears away or something markedly substantial like that?

As much enjoyment I get from a conversation like this, and I really do its pretty fun to think about things like that, I think that instead of focusing on the 'End of All Things' or a stop to all of our problems because of some outside natural/supernatural/extraterrestrial force we should be focusing on how to fix them ourselves to 'make the transition' a lot smoother.

Just in case it is aliens though, I'll be handing out aluminum cone hats after class.

 

[Uzor]

btw, Neche. Unless I am terribly misstaken, it is not possible for a planet to have the kind of behaviour you describe, with Nibiru's speed being faster closer to the sun and slower away from the sun. Since there's no air etc. in space, an object's speed is constant, unless its accelerating. That wuld mean it accelerates close to the sun, then keep a constant speed, and have a shifting acceleration at the end of its turn, and have the new accelerated speed on the way back to the sun. In that case, the planet would constantly be accelerating, untill its acceleration is so high that it can escape the sun's gravitational pull.

btw, I'm somewhat confused as to the post you made earlier Anttaru. Are you saying that US don't have any electrical cars at all? Sweden and Europe have been working on electric and hybrid cars for a long time, and especially nature-friendly cars. Projects such as cars that can drive over 500 km on as little as 1l of gas, etc. Also certain projects to lower the electricity lost in the world. Did you know 90% of the electricity produced is lost during production, 10% is lost in the electricity lines, and 70% is lost in lamp bulbs? By reducing the electricity lost in each stage, you could save a lot of our natural resources etc.

Speaking of which, 1% of the sun's energy is used to heat the air to produce the winds in the world. These winds have enough power to supply our entire world with electricity several times over. And that's 1% of the sun's power that reaches the earth. Imagine how much electricity we could produce ourselves by picking up only 0.1% of the remaining 99%. Hell, one hurricane contains enough power to supply the united states with power for 10 years, if I remember it correctly.

 

[Anttaru]

Celvantes attacked you for posting a stream of ignorant bullshit.

Specify what exactly is ignorant on my behalf. Celvantes is the one who's ignorant, with the whole "Oh i knew you were gonna start arguing about Black holes so i saved everyone the trouble and started the argument for them". Holy shit Hal, open you're eyes. But for real, don't say i was being ignorant, show me where. quote it.

Getting bogged down in the unfairness of his misinterpreting one droplet in such a raging torrent doesn't help. I went back and re-read some posts, so I'll grant that you said you didn't understand how the one chart is supposed to fit...

You needn't grant me anything. What you need, is to do me a favor and stop you're nonsense.

but it doesn't really change that you seem to buy into the underlying premise.

So what if i do ? It's up to us to buy into whatever we wish, both inside and outside the box. I'm walking the path in search to expanding my consciousness for real. I read up on history and faintly recorded history (which is a myth to the world) What i see in the connections between the ancient civilations is proof enough for me, what i hear i speculate, like Nibiru, personally i have a strong feeling it exists. Does that mean it does ? I can't say.

It's like believing in elves who ride unicorns. Does it really matter if you get there from Point A or Point B?

You're so positive that there is nothing out there like you were told, as though human science hit a Plato, and that the Government is so pure and honest.

What is this Point A and point B you're talking about ? I can give you one.

A) Nibiru will be the cause of the worlds catastrophic behaviour.

B) The Catastrophic behavior is just abut due as the science community themselves say so.

You would sooner go with be, which brings us back to you're question ... "Does it really matter if you get there from point A or point B?"

 

[Anttaru]

btw, Neche. Unless I am terribly misstaken, it is not possible for a planet to have the kind of behaviour you describe, with Nibiru's speed being faster closer to the sun and slower away from the sun. Since there's no air etc. in space, an object's speed is constant, unless its accelerating. That wuld mean it accelerates close to the sun, then keep a constant speed, and have a shifting acceleration at the end of its turn, and have the new accelerated speed on the way back to the sun. In that case, the planet would constantly be accelerating, untill its acceleration is so high that it can escape the sun's gravitational pull.

Due to the planets mass it's possible the Suns magnetic pull can reach a weaker gauss on the accelerated weight of the planet allowing it to break free. Maybe it's like that. For every passing would be a good opportunity to measure out the Suns gravitational pull, by comparing Nibiru's entry and departure positions.

 

[Halifirien]

So what if i do ? It's up to us to buy into whatever we wish, both inside and outside the box.

I'm a big believer in Harlan Ellison's statement that you're not entitled to your opinion, only to your informed opinion. Feel free to march in the Tinfoil Hat Pride Day parade all you want, but don't act hurt and offended when your arguments are not being taken seriously.

You're so positive that there is nothing out there like you were told, as though human science hit a Plato, and that the Government is so pure and honest.

The word you want is "plateau." Plato is the guy who'd also be shaking his head in wonder that you're entertaining the notion of phantom planets and Mayan calendars predicting the end of the world.

 

[Moink]

If a planet could Orbit two stars such as what Nibiru as have being described as and with an Increasing speed as it gets closer towards each star... wouldn't the planet do an eliptical figure eight between both stars?? ;;

Only bringing this up because unless Nibiru can actually ignore the Sun's gravitational pull, it would be "sucked into" the sun's orbit regardless of it's current speed >.>

 

[Elemmire]

so why are you people attacking Anttaru so much? XD it seemed more he was posting an interesting theory that has some scientific backing (even if other scientific things have "proven" them wrong. I use quotes as I'm not sure myself, I'll have to research it). It sounded more like he was just trying to get some fun discussion on this possible "what if" scenario as I don't think he entirely is sure it's right but more a "if so, that'd be interesting". Then again, that could just be what I got outta it and also how I feel. I don't believe it necessary, but it's fun to think about I don't see the reason for the hostility some of you people have is it something personal?

On a humorous note, does that mean this next presidential term is the last one in the world as we know it? XD oh how hilarious that would be.

 

[Anttaru]

I don't know if its going to be a 'everyone dies' sort of thing.

It's said the Mayans stated a "Cleansing of the Earth", and I brought this up to the boyfriend. Apparently he's known about 12/21/2012 and has looked into its possible meaning and purpose for a while now.

I can say that I agree on many points with him when he said that it may be an energy shift; more spiritual than physical. There might be things that happen (tsunami/hurricane/mudslides/earthquakes) and there might be lives lost but its more due to the old energy leaving and the new, more peaceful energy, taking its place. He said some have considered the possibility of a time of peace after the switch. No one really knows.

It's physical and spiritual. You boyfriend might have mentioned to you that our next forum of evolution, involves being able to see colours, we'll speak from the heart and we'll be able to heal. You may or may not believe all of that, it's up to the person. But after surviving such a thing, every stranger will be like family to you when you think about it, the survivors will find themselves in a new stone age.

I can say that I'm not so sure about a rogue planet theory, an eliptical orbit of a foregin star crossing into our solar system or our asteroid belt being a former planet destroyed by said rogue. Everyone knows that our sattellites and telescopes are too nosey to miss something like that. Peering into nebulas light years away and we miss something with an obvious retrograde orbit in our relative area. Isn't the next planet/solar system estimated to be 70million lightyears away or something markedly substantial like that?

5 or 7 light years i think it was. They found a planet simular to earth that's rotating around a red dwarf star. This planet has 10 hour days. Can't remember it's orbit time but it was short.

Some sources indicate Nibiru can be seen only in the most south regions of the earth. Best guess it'll appear to rise in the northern point of view at some point or another.

There are simple things you can put away to help you through the tough years ahead. That's IF one makes it. See what happened in the movie Deep Impact when the meteor was announced ? Everyone went ape shit and got caught in traffic. I can't say this event is guaranteed to happen on that day. But when the Mayan calendar is calling it, and when science is calling it, it's really wise to prepare for it.

Just in case it is aliens though, I'll be handing out aluminum cone hats after class.

They would kick our asses. Haven't you seen in Halo how they have all these fancy levitating vehicles and we're still on diesel ?

Jokes aside, and this is my personal belief....

- Population will get rocked (The Rapture/Tribulation) "An event like never before, and never will be" No CNN no news coverage to create either/signals in the air.

- Those who survive will witness 1 or more races of E.T.'s

- The first string of E.T.'s will be the Serpent/reptile race (Draco, or another name ... Satan) They will be charming and our saviours... (Like the Bible descries the Antichrist to deceive us)

- Having a low population, it's likely the survivers might have the RFID chip implanted (mark of the beast) 7 years till Christ returns. And it will be peaceful. That is part of the deceit.

- When the 2nd coming of Christ arrives, as the Bible describes, more angels than one can count will flood the skies (ships ? who knows)

- Most likely we'll be deceived into thinking they are the enemy. God stated, those with the Mark will parish. Which begs the question.. Will you die for you're God ?

It's some serious Star Wars shit i know. The final chapter to the greatest story's ever told, it won't be broad casted. But it'll be known to us all when it's over.

 

[Rayn]

Can we stop fighting and get back to focusing about how we're all going to die 4 years from now?

To quote Stan Darsh: This is QCDN you should've known better.

Where are you Myyrh!!! D:

 

[Anttaru]

I'm a big believer in Harlan Ellison's statement that you're not entitled to your opinion, only to your informed opinion. Feel free to march in the Tinfoil Hat Pride Day parade all you want, but don't act hurt and offended when your arguments are not being taken seriously.

I'll be offended when it's peoples intent to do insult me, I feel no way if this amuses anyone. If you follow this Harlan Ellison, that means you don't believe in having a personal opinion, which is fine. To believe in Informed opinion makes you easy to manipulate, and lowers you're consciousness. Still you cannot help but have faith in all information you receive, all of it.

The word you want is "plateau." Plato is the guy who'd also be shaking his head in wonder that you're entertaining the notion of phantom planets and Mayan calendars predicting the end of the world.

Do you believe you have a soul ?

 

[Elemmire]

oh and about the Mayan calendar thing that Anttaru was saying they didn't create it but refined it, wiki did have this to say

Although the Mesoamerican calendar did not originate with the Maya, their subsequent extensions and refinements of it were the most sophisticated. Along with those of the Aztecs, the Maya calendars are the best-documented and most completely understood.

but that is Wiki which isn't exactly saying "IT'S FACT!!". Hehe.. I always did wanna learn more about the Mayans ~_~ shame I was always bad when it came to trying to learn about it.

Edit: and to add the pole shift stuff I found this "These magnetic reversals take place every 100,000 to 25 million years, according to Scientific American, and may take as long as 5,000 years to do so." With a time bracket that large.. one not having happened in 150,000 years seems.. normal? and it would be a bit absurd to say we are "due" one. But, again, I'm still reading up this so I could have read an inaccurate source

 

[Anttaru]

so why are you people attacking Anttaru so much? XD it seemed more he was posting an interesting theory that has some scientific backing (even if other scientific things have "proven" them wrong. I use quotes as I'm not sure myself, I'll have to research it). It sounded more like he was just trying to get some fun discussion on this possible "what if" scenario as I don't think he entirely is sure it's right but more a "if so, that'd be interesting". Then again, that could just be what I got outta it and also how I feel. I don't believe it necessary, but it's fun to think about I don't see the reason for the hostility some of you people have is it something personal?

On a humorous note, does that mean this next presidential term is the last one in the world as we know it? XD oh how hilarious that would be.

Anyone is welcome to check it out, talk, debate, speculate, makes jokes. The flaming is really annoying though. It's a good rule to keep flaming where it belongs.