December 21, 2012 and Planet X

[Otaru]

On average it is 250k years, so its not "somewhere in-between". It follows a pattern, just like the ice age. And I were wrong, I looked it up in my science magazine again. It haven't changed for the past 780k years, and it usually switches every 250k years. Additionally, the earth's magnetic field have gradually weakened over the past 11k years. Normally they move at a rate of 10-15km per year, but lately they've sped up and move as much as 60km per year.

The earth is magnetic partly due to the huge mass of iron inside the earth. We have it to thank for not frying us due to the sun's radiation. Sadly, I can't find my science magazine (I looked it up on their website), so I don't have the article in front of me, with the newest proposed theory as to how the poles change, and I don't remember it by heart.

May I know which Science magazine you read/buy Uzor? =P

 

[Uzor]

You know Myrrh, we can very well be incorrect. Pluto is once again classified as a planet (by those who manifest some of our thoughts about it). We call it a Dwarf Planet now. This was decided in 2007, and not very popular on the wide scale.

This happened after (NASA claimed) a new discovery of a Dwarf planet larger than Pluto, just outside of Pluto's orbit right now. NASA says they discovered it in 2003 and was able to identify it in 2005. They named it, The planet Eris.

The search for Planet X was triggered by a realization in Neptune's gravitational activity which suggested there is one or more Planetary bodies out there. in the 30's in the midst of conducting a search for Planet X, someone discovered Pluto for the first time by accedent, labeling it, the 9th planet in our solar system. Pluto however wasn't what they were looking for and the search continues.

Ancient astronomy suggests there are 12 planets in total. One planet (Tiamat/Marduk) is said to have been destroyed by Nibiru.

Today most people say there are 9 planets in our system, some of them say we have 8. To modern science there are 11 Planets in our solar system. Ancient astrology is by far ahead.

-Eris is a Trans Neptune object (Pretty much making it this Planet X they have been looking for)

- Eris's estimated Orbital pattern suggests that Eris completes a full Orbit around the Sun every 557 years, and supposedly it's orbit looks like this. Maybe any other way would cause panic.

- Translated, Nibiru means "Planet of the Passing"

- Nibiru is also said to appear Red in colour.

Photo of Eris. (Planet X ? Nibiru ?)

Interesting or not ?

To add to this, they discovered it by studying the stars. they took 1 picture every hour, and discovered an object that had moved a bit every hour. There's also another dwarf planet, called Ceres. Its the only planet found, inside the Asteroid Belt between Mars and Jupiter. So yes, 9 planets and 2 dwarf planets.

Additionally, it is thought there were a planet orbiting between Earth and Mars, when the planets were first being created. However, it collided with Earth and Mars, creating their moons. The gases left in the outer parts of the solar system were then absorbed by the outer planets, causing the gas planets. The reminder of the rocks became the asteroid belt and comets.

This further proves that there's no "Tiamat" that used to be between Jupiter and Mars, as Ceres is there. Ceres contains about 1/3 the mass of the entire Asteroid belt, and is roughly 950km in diameter.

Although depending on how you count, Sedna, Orcus, Quaoar and Varuna the 12th, 13th, 14th and 15th planets...

May I know which Science magazine you read/buy Uzor? =P

Illustrerad Vetenskap. Its a Swedish magazine, so I doubt you've heard about it

 

[Otaru]

Illustrerad Vetenskap. Its a Swedish magazine, so I doubt you've heard about it

Crap =(

 

[Ravic]

btw, Neche. Unless I am terribly misstaken, it is not possible for a planet to have the kind of behaviour you describe, with Nibiru's speed being faster closer to the sun and slower away from the sun. Since there's no air etc. in space, an object's speed is constant, unless its accelerating. That wuld mean it accelerates close to the sun, then keep a constant speed, and have a shifting acceleration at the end of its turn, and have the new accelerated speed on the way back to the sun. In that case, the planet would constantly be accelerating, untill its acceleration is so high that it can escape the sun's gravitational pull.

Due to the planets mass it's possible the Suns magnetic pull can reach a weaker gauss on the accelerated weight of the planet allowing it to break free. Maybe it's like that. For every passing would be a good opportunity to measure out the Suns gravitational pull, by comparing Nibiru's entry and departure positions.

My apologies if it's already been addressed, but it's Kepler's 2nd law of planetary motion.

 

[Uzor]

My apologies if it's already been addressed, but it's Kepler's 2nd law of planetary motion.

You're right, I forgot to take in to consideration the sun's gravitational pull when the planet moves away from the sun, causing it to slow down.

 

[Rips]

I believe this is true and I believe in 5 years we'll all have a fight on our hands.

Can anyone explain a black hole while we're here?

 

[Uzor]

I believe this is true and I believe in 5 years we'll all have a fight on our hands.

Can anyone explain a black hole while we're here?

Its a hole filled with black people. Occasionally they pull things in, and they'll never be able to escape after that.

Seriously though. A black hole is a super-dense object. Imagine having a piece of sugar weighing several ton, only the object itself being the size of a dwarf star. Thus, one sugar cube of that object (which is rather large, mind you) would weigh several ton.

Additionally, imagine you have some kind of rubber cover, Normally, an object placed on this cover would only pull it down a little, since its weight is placed over a larger area, thus giving it less resistance. This super-dense object, on the other hand, causes the rubber cover to sink almost an endless amount. Similar to how a rock sinks in water. This causes any object (even light, as light is, scientifically speaking, particles) close to it to fall down in to the hole created, leaving it unable to escape. You know those water tornadoes? (no idea what they're called. You know, the ones where the water spin like a tornado) Black holes spin in a similar manner, at close to the speed of light. This causes it to deform the space around them, similar to the way water is bent, and is what causes objects to "rotate" inwards, and is also what causes the gas-arms of galaxies and their rotation, as most galaxies have a large black hole in the center.

This is naturally a simplification of a black hole. However, the time/space theory made by Einstein has recently been proven, by using gyroscopes in space. Or rather, it hasn't been disproved, as the recent attempt to do so failed due to the results of it proving the existence of it, if you understand what I mean.

Basically, all of space is a giant cover with an endless amount of layers. Like a giant pool filled with non-newtonian fluid, kind of. This is the foundation of the wormhole theory as well. Imagine folding a paper, then you cut a hole through it. This causes you to take a shortcut, removing the need to travel from one end of the paper to the other, but instead just drop down in to the hole.

 

[Anttaru]

Black Holes are sheer gravity.

The leading expert on Black Holes is Stephen Hawking, He had a recent change of mind on some of his theories, (Can't remember the documentary that covered it, it's not too hard to find info on it). Science community seemed kinda cross with him when he announced his change of mind.

Here's an interesting explanation, slightly different than what I've read. This one suggests that black holes are infinitive.


This one is very pretty. This one suggests Black Holes have their limits.


Very interesting and complex. I use to read about them all the time until i realized i was running around in circles trying to know more about them.



Uzor here you go.

Water Spout

 

[Anttaru]

My apologies if it's already been addressed, but it's Kepler's 2nd law of planetary motion.

It just struck me when i read Uzor's post on the matter. It does makes sense. Thanks for pointing out it's an actual certified law

 

[Celvantes]

It just struck me when i read Uzor's post on the matter. It does makes sense. Thanks for pointing out it's an actual certified law

It's also how spy sats work, some of them anyway. You whip it around the part of the earth you don't care about in order to lengthen its loiter time over the part you want to see.

I was going to put a big post in here, taking apart your last response to me, Ant, and doing what I did before.

However, because there have been 10+ pages of spam since then, and because I honestly don't think you're worth the effort, I'm just going to summarize it all:

1. Free speech is a fine thing, but you have the right to *speak* not to automatically expect others to understand and agree with you. Throwing up your hands and calling foul when someone dares to question the validity of what you say is akin to acting like a child throwing a temper tantrum.

2. Hali has a point when he says that you are entitled to only your *informed* opinion. Posting theories and speaking of them as if they are fact (when there is little to no sound scientific backing to support) them is plain irresponsible. That's like me standing up and shouting "the sky is purple" and then refusing to listen to those around me saying that it's actually blue. It is this blatant disregard of the hard work and research of thousands of people that irritates me and draws my "flames," and I'm sure the ones of everyone else who has disagreed with you here.

3. Are scientists wrong? Yes, more often than not, in fact. Newton had a model of the universe which fit most things in his time. Later, we had to change his rules, when we found things that didn't fit. This is a continuing process, as technology enables us to see farther (or smaller, depending on the science). Einstein is being partially rewritten by string theory, for instance. BUT - this doesn't mean that there's some big coverup going on out there. These are not drastic revolutions in theory, rather evolutions... modifications of current ideas to fit new discoveries. "They" aren't hiding some crazy solar system nearby that has a planet which will crash into us. A basic knowledge of orbital mechanics (which isn't being updated as much as the more theoretical areas of science), will tell you that any planet in orbit around our sun that hasn't hit us already, won't. The solar system was here a *long* time before we were and has had more time than you or I could imagine to work out any kinks.

4. Are there other planets in our solar system? Yeah, depending on how you define planet. If you're going to call Pluto a dwarf planet, then you might as well call Charon (it's "moon") one too. Are there icy rocks orbiting outside of Pluto's orbit? Yeah, quite possibly, but it's going to take us a *long* time to find them, considering how little light they would reflect and how HUGE the search area is when you consider the size of their potential orbit. Looking for a needle in the proverbial haystack would be easier. THAT DOESN'T MEAN ONE IS GOING TO CRASH INTO US OR OTHERWISE END LIFE ON EARTH. I reference what I said before about orbital mechanics.

5. If you really want to put on a tinfoil hat about something, Google Apophis and see how close various predictions put it to hitting us. Even more fun is that it'll pass us at least twice in my lifetime.

6. In conclusion, don't post random crap and then stand by it under the flag of "free thinking and debate." Free thinking is exactly that... THINKING. Consider the source when you post something. Someone on the fringe of science is probably there for a reason. Unlike the movies, the people who are right aren't usually ostracized for being outspoken. Someone who says they're on the "edge" of modern science because of a "massive conspiracy against them" more than likely isn't playing with a full deck. If they ever had any real scientific credentials, they were probably stripped of those honors for being a nutjob. Equate your mythical planet to Hawking's black holes all you want... Hawking at least has a few decades of research to back up his theories. Even if he admits part of his theory is wrong, the general principle is still right. SOMETHING is responsible for gravitational forces found at centers of intense mass... a black hole is just the best explanation we have right now. It's just like Newton: he wasn't completely right, but he was mostly right.

Crap like rogue planets kililng us with their gravity... is just wrong.

 

[Excim]

Can anyone explain a black hole while we're here?

I know this has been addressed already, but I figured I'd put in my two cents. From what I understand from my limited research in my leisure time, a black hole is the complete absense of matter. It is a perfect vacuum, since there is nothing occupying that instance in space, it is constantly in a state of trying to "fill up", which is why it eats planets, stars... everything.


You want something cool to read about, check out what a Quasar is. I have my own hypothesis, that a Quasar is the release of the energy stored up by an active black hole.


As for the OP and subsequent posts, I do not believe there is a doomsday planet on our horizon. And I certainly do not believe in a government conspiracy to cover up said findings. I doesn't make sense, even if they wanted to take aim at controlling us. Throwing us in a state of panic over such a thing, whipping up a ferver, then telling us that they can protect us if we fund a war... er... project to save us is more their game, trust me.

 

[Anttaru]

Very good Celvantes. I agree with much of what you say, but not all. I'll post a more detailed reply later. I'm drinking my Rum now.

It's not about agreeing or disagreeing. It's about speculation. I point out several things that are connected throughout my research, and you'll find everything i mention to connect if you research it for yourself. It's a matter of believing in the ancient civilizations.

I stated in the OP. "If something happens, or, if something does not happen, we'll see the truth, either way, this day is great."

Some my think I'm a fool, and when i have a belief something terrible will happen. I will exploit it even if it destroys me. And when nothing happens like i hope. I'll do it again if i think something terrible will happen, which is not something that comes out of the blue. I've laid down my reasons for thinking so.

The ones who mean to give me a difficult time here are the ones who:

- Do not believe in the ancient scriptures, which is renowned to be more accurate in terms of astronomy and Time itself while we are a more advanced generation than they were.

- Do not give any credit to the structures these civilizations had, in a time when there were no construction machines. These structures were made with accuracy, not only to face the heavens a certain way , but also in craftsmanship.

- Are in a religion but doubt the revelations can possibly occur in our lifetime, without reason at that.

- Take me for an idiot.

- Do not believe in God.

- Find it trendy to bash someone like me

I understand "some of the things" i say seem to be far fetched, like E.T.'s and what not, but those things are as i stated, my personal thoughts as to how this can unfold. I dislike others trying to force me to believe things, so i don't expect anyone who isn't feeling my personal belief to roll with me.

And Hal needs to recognize, everything i take literal in this matter is my informed opinion. I believe in Annunaki with reason, he does not which is fine. He himself "granted" me that you misinterpreted and attacked while i myself was in question on that first chart, so him bringing you up in the first place was silly, but he still insisted on taking a stab at me anyway. Other than that the only thing he had to say to me was something "along the lines of, not to make things up and exploit it". I never made any of this up. I ask him if he believes he has a soul. No reply, just sarcasm and he quit. Do you have admiration for that way Celvantes ?

 

[Solitia]

And Hal needs to recognize, everything i take literal in this matter is my informed opinion. I believe in Annunaki with reason, he does not which is fine. He himself "granted" me that you misinterpreted and attacked while i myself was in question on that first chart, so him bringing you up in the first place was silly, but he still insisted on taking a stab at me anyway. Other than that the only thing he had to say to me was something "along the lines of, not to make things up and exploit it". I never made any of this up. I ask him if he believes he has a soul. No reply, just sarcasm and he quit. Do you have admiration for that way Celvantes ?

Seriously, cutie, you're so damn hard to take seriously Putting the content of your reasoning aside, when you spell as badly as you do (skimming your post misspelled and/or misused words include such easy stuff as literally and asked and I can't even count the amount of mispunctuated sentences Seriously Anttaru, you'd do a lot better with the use of a spelling/punctuation/grammar check, and THINKING before you post. Oy~

 

[Neche]

(no idea what they're called. You know, the ones where the water spin like a tornado).

Whirlpool

I'll give my thoughts on a black hole in the morning, for now, sleeptime.

 

[Elemmire]

The Hawking Paradox was the documentary that covered his theory of Black Holes that basically said all information was lost in it to saying information wasn't lost but it's like.. the information goes to another Universe he proposed there are universes with black holes and universes without. And then a bunch of other stuff. Was interesting.

 

[Anttaru]

Well Solitia. I invite you to show me which words i misspelled. Show me lots of them if you can. As for my Grammar. I can start using software to write, but I'll only use it when talking to you.

When I'm talking to someone else, (When I'm not addressing you) they'll continue to receive the real me. I'm no English major, or an editor. When i read other posts. I enjoy seeing the many accents and writing imperfections that give each individual we see online, face and character.

I never had anyone mark my grammar in years, people just understand it and move on. Good chance using the Microsoft Mask will sharpen my grammar and writing skill. Sadly using it to communicate is not very exciting.
I'm quick to adopt the correct way, but i stay closer to Canadian and European English spelling as opposed to American English.

 

[Anttaru]

The Hawking Paradox was the documentary that covered his theory of Black Holes that basically said all information was lost in it to saying information wasn't lost but it's like.. the information goes to another Universe he proposed there are universes with black holes and universes without. And then a bunch of other stuff. Was interesting.

That sounds very much like what i remembered it to be. Very well said Elem.

 

[Elemmire]

The Science Channel ftw Q('-'Q)

 

[Helius]

One thing i don't understand is which orbit chart is true or false. Or maybe i'm missing something.

Other charts I've looked at show Nibiru's path in an oval shape, that goes really close to our Sun. (The Sun too will have a cow)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Adr/ferry.jpg[IMG]

Here it shows Nibiru will pretty much stay outside the asteroid belt.

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Adr/ferrycloseup.jpg[IMG]

Quick note on the asteroid belt. It use to be a planet in our solar system called Maldek. I don't know if Nibiru destroyed it last time it was here, or long before that, but Nibiru destroyed it.

Scientists believe on 12 12 2012, the Earth will stop rotating then our magnetic poles will re-adjust 90 degrees in 1 hour, then start turning again. Basically East and West become the new North and South.



You really understand this stuff. Good to hear.



We Survived it before, just had to cope with a lot of suffering and death all around.

I think the most destruction will occur when the poles shift. I don't know where would be safe, but i've put much thought into it. Best guess is far away from the equator, say up North, in a rubber insulated bomb shelter away from the grids we live on now. You won't be safe in you're house, that's for sure. Rations and Supplies is a plus, but the most important thing one would need to survive, is to help and be helped by others.

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The events expected to occur, are strikingly similar to what was written in the Bible's revelations. Rain of Fire seems more realistic when you hear about our Sun having such reactions with Nibiru.

From a Biblical standpoint, those who survive will see the Antichrist, and shortly after see the Return of Christ.

From more interesting points of view God and Satan are Extraterrestrial beings. Nibiru is more of a battle station than a planet, (Like a death star) Which was like a home to the Annunaki, which supposedly was taken over by the Draco ( Serpent angels/Satan ?) Who will deceive us into believing they are our saviors and that evil E.T.'s are coming to our world, which makes WWIII an interplanetary event, as the Bible wrote about Billions of angels coming from the sky kicking our asses.

Or maybe not.

The great thing about 2012 is the fact we'll get to see the Truth of it all. What happens happens, what doesn't happen still says a lot. The Mayans, the greeks, the chinese, what's written in the Bible, ancient Egypt and the great pyramids, and even science all have records of the past, and all of them agree that something big is going to happen on that day.[/QUOTE]

Well, the way I see this. ~

If something like this happened before, there are signs it did, and signs it didn't. All the craters on the plants, on the darksides (Moon and all that jazz) would make sense when the planet (Asteroid Belt) was destroyed. Though the Earth stands nice and purty for us. Plus, if we can dig up fossils from a billion years ago. We can easily dig up core samples for changes in the Earth's climate. Plus the splitting of "Pangea" wouldn't of occured the way scientists predicted it if it did occur at all. The way they show it, from models, is the poles were still there, and they split amongst the poles and drifted around until the ended up hitting each other. They should of predicted that for when this "judgement planet" rolls around. Personally. I think I'll be somewhere happy in 4 years. So I wont give a rolling two balls a shit when this bitch walks by. And if I'm not happy, I know where I'm heading when I die. ~ If I survive. This world is gonna get a f*cking make over.

 

[Uzor]

The Hawking Paradox was the documentary that covered his theory of Black Holes that basically said all information was lost in it to saying information wasn't lost but it's like.. the information goes to another Universe he proposed there are universes with black holes and universes without. And then a bunch of other stuff. Was interesting.

Its true though. As I stated in a thread a long time ago, one can consider human beings three-dimensional creatures in a 4-dimensional world, earth. Earth is a 4-dimensional object in a 5-dimensional world, universe (which is also gravity). There are several other dimensions which we can't directly see, that leak in to the universe. Some say the windows to these other dimension can be rather huge, just can not be seen. In the same way that there's several suns, with planets orbiting them, and these solar systems orbit around the galaxy, and the galaxies, in turn, orbit around larger galaxies, which move around in the universe. Different universes could then orbit around other larger universes.

In the same way that we ask ourselves if we are the only living creatures in the universe, one could ask if this is the only universe in the world. One thought that gives many people a headache, is "what's outside the walls of our universe?"