Derail from Darth thread: Meta/Evidence

The funny thing about this whole thread is that I've said from the very beginning that what I've presented are all circumstantial.

Aside from the hopeless ones, I think most people here realize by this point that the only difinitive answer would come from seeing darth wearing the belt.

1) you "know" he was alone because of chinis' testimony
2) due to 1), he'd have no reason to be at KA camp if he had the belt prior to today (only reason to be there would be to help someone)
3) RMTs got the claim.
4) ergo, if he has the belt, it has to have been from RMT.

No, a screenshot of the shouts isn't difinitive. No, a screenshot of the RMT bowing isn't difinitive either. It's obvious, and yet people want it anyway.

Obviously, I can't chase around this guy all day doing /c on him (and he'd notice after a while, don't you think?). My hope was that there'd at least be a few people who'd actually have strong enough sentiments against RMT (or just curious) to /c the guy when they pass by him.

Knowing that people would be /c ing him, he probably won't be able to make much use of that belt-- if he cared about his reputation, that is. Quite frankly, it pisses me off to think that RMT goes to KA knowing that there'd be another customer like him waiting.

"Pics or it didn't happen"--you know what, if were so fucking easy, all the RMTs on this server would already be gone. Of course, it's utterly clear that most people here don't really give a rat's ass about RMT, nor want to take initiative against those who are perpetuating their existence. While at some level I think it's cute, it's pretty alarming to think that trying to bash me is more important than dealing with RMT problems to some people.

In that regard, meeze is doing a fabulous job. He has his priorities straight with his {something relevant} "oh, and by the way, meta sucks" posts. Quite endearing. Why not just add the "meta sucks" part to your sig, since you seem to have it in every post anyway, meeze?
 
metachronism said:
In that regard, meeze is doing a fabulous job. He has his priorities straight with his {something relevant} "oh, and by the way, meta sucks" posts. Quite endearing. Why not just add the "meta sucks" part to your sig, since you seem to have it in every post anyway, meeze?
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because sigs only show up on your first post of the page, and I often post 2-3 times a page.

Meta sucks.
 
This is so lame. I pretty much just want to repost half of what Rhaddy said. I know Meta, I know he isn't an idiot and I have no reason to believe he would make this up out of spite or any other reason. Personally, thats alot more than most of you know and really has caused 15 pages of muttled nonsense.
 
This thread is made of lack of evidence, friend defense, and fucking morons.
F-.
 
Disclaimer: I don't know (or remember) anything about how Metachronism acts, other than his own behavior in this thread. (Didn't bother following up on those earlier links.) So consider the below to be reasonably objective and not biased by long-standing hatred or whatever:

Pictures probably wouldn't have directly convinced anyone. As already mentioned, a more convincing set of pictures would've required knowing in advance that it was going to happen. And the only pictures that could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt would require an admission by the person in question (such as a SS of the trade window, or some conversation where they say they did it).

However, what many people are arguing and what most of the rest are *missing* in their argument (confusing that with the above paragraph) ... any pictures *would* have made the OP not look like it was full of hot air (which undermined its credibility). There is a difference between not having complete and utterly indisputable proof, and having absolutely no evidence (circumstantial or not) at all.

Had there been pictures in the first place, the end conclusion would likely *still* have been to the tune of "this doesn't necessarily prove anything". (But that's no excuse *not* to post that stuff - assuming it would've been shot down anyway is just a cop-out.) However, we *would* have been spared the many many many posts arguing about how the OP *should* have at least nabbed what screenshots he realistically could. And without all that side argument taking place to detract from the original point of the flame, the flame might have, shocker of shockers, possibly actually stayed on-topic. Or at least not gotten derailed as much as it did.

That is how posting pictures in the first place would have helped. Not necessarily as any sort of hard evidence that it actually transpired that way (though by all means, flames that *do* have that level of evidence, are quite effective), but instead as a device to keep the argument from being thrown out on account of being completely baseless. It's rather like cases getting thrown out of court (even if the claim happens to be true) because the claimant doesn't bother providing anything further than hearsay.

In short: If you're gonna flame someone, it's worth taking the time to make it a decent flame. If not, don't complain that the flame gets off-topic with a bunch of people making an example out of how it's *not* a decent flame.

Oh, and, on-topic: If the guy did buy it, I don't know him but he's an idiot for encouraging RMT (not to mention spending gil rather than simply effectively counter-camping a small-group NM that he obviously had the ToD for). If the guy didn't buy it, I still don't know him.
 
Rhaddy said:
Yeah, that's basically the thread now, which is dumb, as I'd rather have a response from Darth. Well, at least, one that is more than calling someone a faggot for posting a thread about him :3
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i dont know why but darth is anti-qcdn or something, even when the good times thread for his cap came out didnt he have someone say "thankyou" on his behalf??? (im way to lazy to necro the thread)

Edit: Point being, dont hold your breath for a response
 
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Although he is very hard in his critics, Metachronism is not a person that gets his kicks out of lying.

ps. This whole thread happened very fast...
 
Master Honcho said:
>.> lets all flame my typing now seeing that i am a 14 year old idiot! i'll make it worse for ya;; not a very gewd way to D fend urself dood after seeing me make a gewd point... well mebbe ur right les all call out my typing seeing that has all to do with the topic at hand. lawl at you

meta prolly could care less if a few of the ppl on here believed him or you'd have substantial evidence on the topic at hand. he just thought he'd flame a guy for something thats lame. whats wrong with that

if ur gonna sit here and not believe him ... who cares shit lol.. i know i dont give a shit if u guys want evidence... hes got nothing to prove to you. he flamed a guy made his case that's it. believe it or not but don't derail another qcdn thread like it usually happenes when trolls get on here and turn it around on a guy cuz they dont like the guy who made the flame.. i mean shi rly>.>
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My comment on your typing wasn't the main point of my post, but it really is horrible. I'm having to reread your posts just to figure out what you're saying, you really should work on that.

You also didn't make a good point, you used the friend defense and completely ignored what was actually going on in the thread. Yes, no one likes Metachronism, but no one said "I don't believe him because he sucks," the only thing said was "this is hard to believe without pictures." The whole argument has been his very poor presentation of the argument and his complete lack of anything to convince people. Unless someone is gullible, already hates Darth and is looking for more ammo, or they just love hearing rumors about people, there's very little reason to believe what he's saying because he hasn't bothered to prove a single thing.

We don't like him, but that doesn't mean we completely ignore anything he says or have to disagree with him every time. Hell, I've actually agree with peregrine of all people about something in one of those threads, so you're just wrong thinking that we're doing this just because it's him. If it had been anyone else, people would still be asking for pictures to prove it; so the fact that it's him who made the thread is largely irrelevant to the derail about no pictures, other than someone who's not full of themselves would probably have scrolled up in their chat log and posted said pictures already.

You're not helping Metachronism in any way, if anything you're actually hurting his position. "He's got nothing to prove to you," except for you know, that Darth had any ties to RMT there at all. That's how this works, you make an accusation, you then back it up with some kind of evidence; otherwise it could easily just be a lie. I could go around posting about how you, or Metachronism or Meeze or anyone bought XXX item off RMT but I was too lazy/stupid to snap a screenshot showing them emoting each other and it would have just as much validity as this thread so far, minus Chinis' post. The only one arguing worth anything on Metachronism's side is Meeze, but he's only focusing on that we hate Metachronism, but he(and all of the rest of you too) is ignoring how no one said outright they don't believe him; only that pictures would have made it easier to believe the story.

Hell, I've already said that I think he probably did buy the belt, but Metachronism's piss poor method of handling the thread is starting to erode that belief. He made a shitty case and is depending on his friends(who haven't argued worth a damn yet), Chinis, who actually has some credibility or Meeze to put up any kind of defense on how poor his OP was.

One quick question, did the RMT get any Damascene cloths? Maybe he bought those instead of the belt and they were still cheering for that sale. It's still supporting RMT, still a bad thing, but maybe you're wrong in what he was buying.
 
meeze said:
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You don't even know what that means, do you?

Did the RMT clarify a selling price when they were shouting? Is it an amount that Darth would even have on-hand? Is he the treasurer for his LS?
 
metachronism said:
The funny thing about this whole thread is that I've said from the very beginning that what I've presented are all circumstantial.
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You didn't have anything in the beginning, not even circumstantial evidence. You just busted in using heresay and expected people to believe you.

The SS would not have been definitive, but they would have established a base of credebility from which others could have drawn better conclusions or could have began their own mini-investigations.
 
Rufus_Shinra said:
You didn't have anything in the beginning, not even circumstantial evidence. You just busted in using heresay and expected people to believe you.
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It's not hearsay if yourself is the original source. Not that I'm saying a personal claim of "RMT bowed to him! Bought Belt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" has validility on its own.

The reason people don't believe him, is because even RMT bowing is hardly circumstantial evidence. I don't know if Metas noticed(not likely from that high horse,) but RMT emote to people a lot for little to no reason. Perhaps he was alone just for ToD. I bet that never crossed the morons mind.

If RMT bowed, then Meta checked and he was wearring a Velocious belt, that would be circumstantial evidence.

All Meta noticed was RMT bowing and ceasing shouts.. thats it. That means absolutely shit. And he believes that since we aren't even taking it in to consideration, we're doing it because we don't like him. Sorry, that doesn't cut it anywhere. I can report some guy to the police for having a drug dealer wave to them. Thats no where near enough evidence to claim the guy bought drugs. And, just like Metas initial claim with lacking support, nothing would come of it.

Instead of presenting anything of importance, he decided to just go ad hominen on everyone who argued that pictures would help.
 
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Hahahaha, for all you who are living in the dark...Beki = RMT.
 
Excellent. Now that we finally have some form of SS proof, 16 PAGES IN, now we can bash on Darth.

Well...im not up for it now. Laterz.
 
chinis said:
lawl.jpg

Good enough for proof for you guys?
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voilla!

Take note Meta, this is how you attempt to make an argument. I'm sure it didn't even cross your mind to ask the RMT?
 
how much gils to hire PL for maat's cap guys halp
 
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