Derail from Darth thread: Meta/Evidence

[metachronism]

Um, you want screnshots of RMTs bowing to Darth, or him standing right next to them (ostensibly) to trade? Why don't you stop and think about what constitutes circumstantial and material evidence? People can, and will come up with whatever explanation they want for such screenshots.

I specifically put up the dialogue because it was questioned, and suggested that people will accept it as genuine if a screenshot was put up.

I'm not interested in an endless exchange of useless posts. Like I said before, walk away with what you believe.

Do you even realize that Darth could just not wear the belt for the rest of his time in FF, and there would be no material evidence against him? Of course, whether he chooses to do so or not, this thread would serve its purpose.

If he was spotted wearing a velocious belt in the near future, then that would be evidence beyond any reasonable doubt--and if anyone cares enough, that would be the most trivial way to implicate him, no?

 

[metachronism]

zomg! Its fake! Look, 2 pixels don't line up right!!!11!!one!!

Meh, I agree with Shyrra. What was so hard about hosting and posting this in the first place, rather than make an ass out of yourself?

And again, this confirms nothing about the action in general. This flame is filled to the brim with fail.

And people wonder why I didn't bother? Typical qcdn, i guess. *rolls eyes*

 

[Myrrh]

Honestly, will you just shut up about people going to call SS of the event fake. It's a bullshit excuse for lack of pics.

 

[Shyrra]

If he was spotted wearing a velocious belt in the near future, then that would be evidence beyond any reasonable doubt--and if anyone cares enough, that would be the most trivial way to implicate him, no?

Well, realistically, that is not beyond a reasonable doubt.

Say you were in search of A.body, and if I knew you were camping it, I could make a claim similar to this, and if in the near future you were seen with A.body.. that would not make definitive evidence, wouldn't you think?

 

[Rufus_Shinra]

If he was spotted wearing a velocious belt in the near future, then that would be evidence beyond any reasonable doubt--and if anyone cares enough, that would be the most trivial way to implicate him, no?

No. Just because he has it doesn't mean he obtained it through the means you are presenting.

Like was said before, you could just be disgruntled that you got outclaimed on it and are looking to discredit someone.

Your missing the point: You lack ANY kind of proof.

 

[Bajaratt]

It would be evidence beyond any reasonable doubt that he had one, there would be nothing to show when/how he obtained it. That's what people are saying, you're providing no evidence about what happened; the only evidence is he was mad about the thread, which could just be mad about you accusing him of it even if he didn't do it.

Rappa summed it up nicely, while those screenshots would have been circumstantial, they at least would have been there. Right now there is absolutely nothing to interpret.

 

[Dowzer]

He said Darth was solo at the camp. Now had I created this topic, I would've posted all of the following:

1) A ss of Darth solo in the zone
2) A ss of gilsellers shouting
3) A ss of Darth no longer solo in the zone
4) A ss of the emotes after the "transaction"

The point of #1 and #3 is to validate that it was at the same time (because the ppl in zone would be pretty similar if not identical). The 2nd one is pretty straightforward. Barring the first 3, there's no way I would've left out that last one. It's the whole bread and butter of the OP and it's not shown at all.

But by your logic...

So like, any proof he bought it? I don't consider emoting to an RMT and having them emote back really constitutes as proof of doing anything. And of course they stopped shouting, only have a few minutes before the item just drops on one of them and it's r/e so...

That's what I meant by "your stance from that view point" in my previous post. However, now that you say a screenshot of being solo, gil sellers shouting, no longer being solo, and emotes of the transaction are conclusive; sure, that would be heavy evidence.

By your logic from previous posts, those wouldn't be conclusive. I guess you meant those screenshots would be enough to believe that could've happened. I just had a hunch that the only evidence you're looking for is Darth admitting the fiasco.

 

[Khajit]

Still waiting for some form of proof meta. CMon.. you dont even have the psychic hotline cheering for ya.

 

[Rufus_Shinra]

But by your logic...



That's what I meant by "your stance from that view point" in my previous post. However, now that you say a screenshot of being solo, gil sellers shouting, no longer being solo, and emotes of the transaction are conclusive; sure, that would be heavy evidence.

By your logic from previous posts, those wouldn't be conclusive. I guess you meant those screenshots would be enough to believe that could've happened. I just had a hunch that the only evidence you're looking for is Darth admitting the fiasco.

I think what he means is that it can't be used as just the emotes. If you put it together with other screenshots, then it becomes more than what it was.

 

[Dowzer]

Ohhhh!

Yeah that makes total sense now that I think of it, sorry I'm on cold meds. D:

 

[Rappa]

By your logic from previous posts, those wouldn't be conclusive. I guess you meant those screenshots would be enough to believe that could've happened. I just had a hunch that the only evidence you're looking for is Darth admitting the fiasco.

I never said my sses would've been conclusive either. I just said what I would've posted had I created the OP. Nothing aside from confession is conclusive, but I would stack everything on my side from the get-go rather than say "Oh hey guys this happened" and leave it at that.

 

[K. Ishitar]

i saw this guy in jueno with maat's cap on his thf

he didnt seem to be wearing the belt i can post the ss in a jiffy not sure if that proves anything since he could just avoid attention by wearing another belt like his warwolf belt

 

[Bajaratt]

But by your logic...



That's what I meant by "your stance from that view point" in my previous post. However, now that you say a screenshot of being solo, gil sellers shouting, no longer being solo, and emotes of the transaction are conclusive; sure, that would be heavy evidence.

By your logic from previous posts, those wouldn't be conclusive. I guess you meant those screenshots would be enough to believe that could've happened. I just had a hunch that the only evidence you're looking for is Darth admitting the fiasco.

He never said it would be absolute proof of what happened, only that the emotes were the only thing that made Metachronism think Darth bought something and therefore are the entire basis of his accusation. Unless you showed the chat log between him and the RMT buying it, a picture of the trade window, or he just outright admits it, there will likely never be absolute proof of what happened, but the pictures Rappa mentioned would have been more than enough to come to the same conclusion as Metachronism. Right now though, there's nothing; just conjecture that Metachronism is trying to shovel off as "damning evidence."

 

[Dowzer]

I'm only presenting the circumstantial evidence. Go /c him or something. Although, with the amount of shit I gave him on the spot, I wouldn't be surprsied if he doesn't wear it around for a good while.

Well, look at this gem.

Seems like Meta might have been too busy giving him shit to take screenshots. I think that's why there isn't any.

 

[Rufus_Shinra]

Let us also not forget that he might not have the belt at all.

I can think of many times I got bored and just emoted people in a zone as I was relaxing.

Darth is waiting for the spawn, passing through the zone, helping a friend, who knows.
(Hence the communicating with the RMT)

He outclaims Chron, does something to piss chron off, something to that effect. Again, who knows.
(Hence the need to flame Darth)

There just isn't any kind of evidence to prove what happened, other than the fact Darth is pissed that a flame was attempted on him.

 

[metachronism]

It would be evidence beyond any reasonable doubt that he had one, there would be nothing to show when/how he obtained it. That's what people are saying, you're providing no evidence about what happened; the only evidence is he was mad about the thread, which could just be mad about you accusing him of it even if he didn't do it.

Rappa summed it up nicely, while those screenshots would have been circumstantial, they at least would have been there. Right now there is absolutely nothing to interpret.

The "challenged" people kind of forget that one is normally not psychic (and I am no exception), and does not anticipate the need to have evidence before anything has happened. Why would I have a screenshot of him being solo? Just because I thought his name looks cool or something?

You know I only saw things *after* the deal, and he had to have been partied with them for that. The best I would have is him partied with someone, which does nothing, since there were multiple parties there. Yay.

Most importantly, why would he be complaining at me for "posting shit" rather than telling me outright that what I said is false? Don't you think that'd be the most logical course if you wanted to try to refute a false rumor?

 

[Rufus_Shinra]

The "challenged" people kind of forget that one is normally not psychic (and I am no exception), and does not anticipate the need to have evidence before anything has happened. Why would I have a screenshot of him being solo? Just because I thought his name looks cool or something?

You know I only saw things *after* the deal, and he had to have been partied with them for that. The best I would have is him partied with someone, which does nothing, since there were multiple parties there. Yay.

Most importantly, why would he be complaining at me for "posting shit" rather than telling me outright that what I said is false? Don't you think that'd be the most logical course if you wanted to try to refute a false rumor?

So you come to make an accusation, knowning damn good and well that you don't have any kind of supporting evidence.

Did you decide to make this accusation on a whim? Because really if you had been planning this thoroughly and properly, you would have thought ahead and got the proper screenshots.

Also, it is human nature to get angry when someone spreads false or dis-crediting facts or opinions about them. So logic is not a reasonable defence in this situation. As far as I'm concerned, "Posting Shit" is equivlant to "Posting Lies".

 

[Kirlua]

This thread lacks something... oh yes pics or it didn't happen.

There.

 

[meeze]

He said Darth was solo at the camp. Now had I created this topic, I would've posted all of the following:

1) A ss of Darth solo in the zone
2) A ss of gilsellers shouting
3) A ss of Darth no longer solo in the zone
4) A ss of the emotes after the "transaction"

The point of #1 and #3 is to validate that it was at the same time (because the ppl in zone would be pretty similar if not identical). The 2nd one is pretty straightforward. Barring the first 3, there's no way I would've left out that last one. It's the whole bread and butter of the OP and it's not shown at all.

I know you don't like meta, and I think he's an idiot as well, but...

1-3 are just unreasonable unless you know in advance that he is going to buy the belt.

1) There is no reason to SS before he is in a pt, I would assume he is camping ToD.

2)We all know RMT shout to sell shit, no real reason to post an SS of something the whole server knows is a tactic.

3) Again, unless you actually know he is going to buy the item would you even think to SS that.

4) The only one I would think to SS if I could. That shows some sort of guilt, but you already proclaimed it no proof when you said:

So like, any proof he bought it? I don't consider emoting to an RMT and having them emote back really constitutes as proof of doing anything. And of course they stopped shouting, only have a few minutes before the item just drops on one of them and it's r/e so...

Let's stop the fuck Meta machine for a while and not give Darth outs. Every LS pretty much has someone who reads this board often, and can get word to him.

 

[chinis]

I was there with my LS. Ask them if you don't believe me (Spyo, Treg); he did buy it. Maat's Cap owner buys Vbelt from RMT! I was saying it in ls chat, knew it would pop up here. lol. I hope he gets banned right along with the piles of horseshit he bought it from. Well, he's horseshit too i guess.