Dezvoltare Drama (not for the pregnant or nursing)

You're not as good a shell that you seem to think if you get completely handicapped without your leader. If that is the case you're just a bunch of pawns that can't do anything without being handheld and told what to do.

Where were the other leaders in all of this since it seems from the screenshots you've never done anything throughout his absense? Or did I misunderstand it?

Yes, its shitty he didn't give gil out before he went M.I.A, but you should still be a fully functional shell unless something is seriously wrong. Or did that Aegis leave you all forgetful about how to do anything without it?
 
hellstorm said:
Hey I played nice, I could have aired the dirty laundry months ago but I didn't. Said nothing about the curved point system that regardless how many hour you camp certain people seem to gain quite a bit of points each month, or about the ixion boots that I asked for more then a month, but never recived and every time I ask I got the run around.(and before you say there was none crafted. there was and they was sold weeks after asking for them by zyc) Then there was the people that didn't want camp anything some of them leaders unless zyc was around which you know pretty well because you was one of the few that would try to rally the troops in vein. (corny anolagy I know) Then there was the agreement that was made about einherjar when I join the shell that got reniged. Nope took getting stab in the back nice and quiet. But if you didn't think was going crawl in a hole and not continue hnms you are sadly mistaken. Suprisenly that pain in my back is gone now, no longer have worry about points getting screwed or making certain people richer I get to enjoy doing hnms and not just the ones certain leaders feel like camping. So if you want to stay on last place team so be it, but I'm enjoying my new team.
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Easier when you're doing the one stabbing huh? A spider there, a fly there, all with a shuttle ride into space with NASA?

I've railed on LS numerous times whenever something I thought was stupid was done. I've called Zyc out to his face for poor judgment -- in fact, I just spent a good three hours insulting him to his face. But I'm not running to Absolution.
 
A shitty player thinking hes above everyone else because he has a relic? NO WAY CAPTAIN, THERES JUST NO WAY SHE CANNOT DO IT. (cookie for getting the caps part btw)
 
And oh wtf at the absolution thing again, get off your horse with that shit now. 3 topics i think it is now? Dont make it a fourth.
 
PhilCollins said:
And oh wtf at the absolution thing again, get off your horse with that shit now. 3 topics i think it is now? Dont make it a fourth.
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Would actually be topic 5 or 6. Sucks that this bank shit happened to you all, never had any issues with Dez members. Sort of off topic who is the nonotabsolution repearl I loved seeing it at behe
 
So basically the point of the whole thing is this: Leader goes missing for ~2 months, taking with him the majority of the LS bank. Existing officers are unable or unwilling to organize events, so the shell begins to founder, and people begin looking to take their share of the bank, leaving the individual with bank money who is present with insufficient funds to cover the requested withdrawals, at which point he declines to give out any gil.

Seems like a fairly valid set of complaints to me.
 
Uzor said:
You're not as good a shell that you seem to think if you get completely handicapped without your leader. If that is the case you're just a bunch of pawns that can't do anything without being handheld and told what to do.

Where were the other leaders in all of this since it seems from the screenshots you've never done anything throughout his absense? Or did I misunderstand it?

Yes, its shitty he didn't give gil out before he went M.I.A, but you should still be a fully functional shell unless something is seriously wrong. Or did that Aegis leave you all forgetful about how to do anything without it?
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Problem is when zyc leads, he does everything, he makes all the calls. When he left, our other leaders honestly weren't up to par, we did less and less events every day, to the point where the whole ls was just exping jobs instead of doing hnm. And its not like one of us pearl holders can just get up and start barkin orders and making people camp, because no one will listen to us (we have tried).

So the problem lies in the leads, not the members. And it's not easy leading a ls after the main man is gone, people are so used to waiting for his direction. So I kinda understand how this all happened, but at the same time I think the two remaining leaders could of pulled it back.

The ls bank has not been taken, whether it will or not no one knows, but we need to stop acting like zyc is the bad guy before we've heard anything.
 
Really hate this made it here before you found out what was really going on choco. Communication has been very poor, and I think that has been remedied via Ventrillo last night. Its a shame ya couldnt just chill for a second instead of flying off the handle.
 
Icewolf said:
Problem is when zyc leads, he does everything, he makes all the calls. When he left, our other leaders honestly weren't up to par, we did less and less events every day, to the point where the whole ls was just exping jobs instead of doing hnm. And its not like one of us pearl holders can just get up and start barkin orders and making people camp, because no one will listen to us (we have tried).

So the problem lies in the leads, not the members. And it's not easy leading a ls after the main man is gone, people are so used to waiting for his direction. So I kinda understand how this all happened, but at the same time I think the two remaining leaders could of pulled it back.

The ls bank has not been taken, whether it will or not no one knows, but we need to stop acting like zyc is the bad guy before we've heard anything.
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If members refuse to follow the orders of the other leaders, then it obviously is a problem with the members. My point is, it is rather obvious there's a problem with the LS structure if a LS becomes nothing more then a social shell when the shellholder is away. When one leader is gone another needs to pick up the flag.

A LS can be compared to a business, a business doesn't close down when the president of the company is away on a vacation or sick. If it does, the company obviously has a larger problem unrelated to the owner himself, be it because he built the company up wrong or else. If employees of said company refuse to work just because the boss is away on vacation, they get a warning and actions taken against them. Are you telling me your sacks are nothing more then glorified pearls?
 
I imagined a giant pit of shit and mud. Then we all rolled in it together. And it was our home.
 
Uzor said:
If members refuse to follow the orders of the other leaders, then it obviously is a problem with the members. My point is, it is rather obvious there's a problem with the LS structure if a LS becomes nothing more then a social shell when the shellholder is away. When one leader is gone another needs to pick up the flag.

A LS can be compared to a business, a business doesn't close down when the president of the company is away on a vacation or sick. If it does, the company obviously has a larger problem unrelated to the owner himself, be it because he built the company up wrong or else. If employees of said company refuse to work just because the boss is away on vacation, they get a warning and actions taken against them. Are you telling me your sacks are nothing more then glorified pearls?
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I think there was an issue with that, but its being resolved internally. What he left out was, Zyc when MIA, so did Sirfang, so did Khrnos. Number 1,2,3 kinda mia at once. During this time there was no change in leadership, which caused alot of issues.

This is being resolved internally, this isnt really public business at this point. I really hate choco did this.
 
I would suggest requesting the thread be locked if majority of the shell is looking to resolve this issue outside QCDNs lingering eyes.

Unless Choco wishes for it to remain open to bitch on further.
 
etchdog2000 said:
I think there was an issue with that, but its being resolved internally. What he left out was, Zyc when MIA, so did Sirfang, so did Khrnos. Number 1,2,3 kinda mia at once. During this time there was no change in leadership, which caused alot of issues.

This is being resolved internally, this isnt really public business at this point. I really hate choco did this.
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Don't get me wrong, it is obvious there's things he left out. The screenshots themselves shout of greed on Choco's side and lack of respect towards the leaders building up a sort of anger and disappointment. It could be handled differently from both sides, and Choco obviously overreacted a bit. Still, there are conflicting information. For example, it was earlier mentioned that members refused to follow the other leaders, and then it was mentioned that 2 other leaders were MIA and thus the members had no one to follow.

From the LS it seems Rey and Dalk are leaders as well, so they could have taken up the flag to lead the shell in the other leader's absense. There's no use complaining that the LS is falling apart without Zyc if the members truely refused to listen to the remaining leaders. Its their own fault for doing that. On the other hand it is also the leader's fault for not being strong enough.

Still, it seem the whole ordeal is based around greed, which could have been solved with Zyc handing out the supposed payments before going M.I.A
 
I jumped ship about a month before I quit. Everyone in Dez should have already known that if Zyc, Khrnos, Fang, or Dalk didn't have something; they were automatically up for it next. Zyc passed several times on items he could have won yes, but look at who picked them up.

You all should remember me flying off the lid in LS at least 6 months ago about the bank and about points generally 2-3 times a week. No one ever cared until they thought it affected them. The shell hasn't changed with the leaders going MIA, its always been that way and will more than likely always be. You either accept it or not. Even before we started working towards getting Zyc an Aegis the bank wasn't paying out. People were asking to use points for items off AH and couldn't. But everyone stood around idle while it happened because "our bank is going to funding dynamis and einherjar." Yeah, thanks for that. We pulled in several mil at a time but only put out 1,360,000 a week.

To suddenly have a change of heart by anyone in that ls is complete bullshit. To throw something that had been going on for a while at the leaders like its their fault is horse shit. You all stood by and let it happen without any mention of change until this happened. I place all blame on the members.
 
Raesvelg said:
So basically the point of the whole thing is this: Leader goes missing for ~2 months, taking with him the majority of the LS bank. Existing officers are unable or unwilling to organize events, so the shell begins to founder, and people begin looking to take their share of the bank, leaving the individual with bank money who is present with insufficient funds to cover the requested withdrawals, at which point he declines to give out any gil.

Seems like a fairly valid set of complaints to me.
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And basically this sums it up.

Also add in the part where the guy said the Aegis PLD left them forgetting how NMs are really fought.

I nagged and begged the remaining leaders to keep everyone active. They wouldn't or couldn't enforce mandatory events and it was a buncha huggles and unicorns and shit when people had their sob stories about how they had to tend to their kids. And you know, that's fine, handle yo kids. But log the fuck off, spend quality time with them. If you're logged into FFXI and at that keyboard, get your ass to events.

To 3D: A vent convo filled with more huggles and unicorns doesn't make up for the 2 months of vacuum of leadership and stress that everyone has been under. Zyc is no leader but at least he can yell at people, which is something Rey and Dalk have been lacking in. I didn't leave Dez cuz I flew off the handle for the wrong reasons. I flew off the handle because the sub leaders can't handle the shell when the aegis goes MIA, because there's no accountability with LS bank, because I out and out got ROBBED of 4m gil by the LS leader, and because none of yall ever recognize that there are problems.

I want this thread to remain open. Abso gets flamed for botting (a legit complaint but a dead horse) and Dynamis sniping (boo fuckin hoo they didn't join the huggles and unicorns master Dynamis schedule), so I think Dez deserves the share of flames they never get. Maybe if enough people chime in they might come to realize their shit DOES stink. Not that I care, I'm not living for some digital vendetta. You'd just think they'd see the writing on the wall when you slammed their faces right into it. BTW nobody bitched when Dez Dynamis sniped? For the longest time they didn't even decide what zone they were doing until 30~ mins beforehand.

Keep it coming everyone, I want an epic thread full of shitfactory.
 
Chocobits said:
Keep it coming everyone, I want an epic thread full of shitfactory.
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You may regret saying that lol.

Sorry to hear that happened Choco, you were always cool to hang out with in AP! (Yes I remember! :P) GL with your future endgame endeavors. ^^
 
I don't think you're going to get an epic thread of shitfactory Choco. You made a good attempt at flaming, but it is rather obvious your story is vey one-sided. It is obvious the whole blame can not be put on Zyc, but rather the members themselves as well as the co-leaders for not communicating enough and lacking actual leadership skills.
 
Not really choco. You werent on vent so you dont really know, perhaps you know 2nd hand info, I do not know. What I do know is that, everyone talked about shit. The cause of the problems and how to fix them. Did rey and dalk do a perfect job at trying to get people motivated to do events? No, but they did try.

Maybe you werent on when only 4-5 people were showing to events. I think there are ways to combat that but please take into consideration Rey and Dalk have never been in that position. They will make mistakes. They were still feeling out thier new role, that was one day dropped in thier laps.

If you think the vent convo was filled with "huggles and unicorns" you are solely mistaken. Copper said it best. Zycs lack of communication to the LS, AND to the leaders, lead to the shell to break down.

Do I think Rey, Dalk, Zyc made mistakes? Absolutely. Do I think going about a solution like you did is the right thing to do? No.

There are lots of other things I could say choco, but I will refrain because I really dont want to discuss these issues that can and WILL get resolved with outside people.
 
*without involving outside people.
 
Rappa said:
I lol'd at the ALL-CAPS part. Looks like a shitty situation handled shittily by both sides. Here's a ProTip for the future, cursing someone out and being rude when you're asking someone to do something for you usually doesn't work.
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Pretty much got it right there. Attacking someone is never the answer, of course they're going to get defensive. I can see how you'd be irritated though, the bank has always been an issue in that shell, it would take forever to get payouts and they were never up to par.
 
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