Dnc Sucks

Lucki said:
I can't remember if you have an issue with the un-official Windower and its plugins or not, but there are some that keep track of job/ability recast and spell duration if you were unaware of it.
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Well first off I use vista, and recast plugin really hates it, so I run windower without most plugins =/

I mean, erm, windower, wuts windowar?

Second, my point is not a, "I'm waiting for my job to be ready" Cause I haven't even used it yet. I'm saying I need to have all my recasts memorized so I can plan out my moves in the proper order to maximize my efficiency in combat.

IE I know my steps are 15 seconds, sambas last a minute before they need a recheck, walztes are 10-15 seconds, violent flourish is 15, reverse is a minute, so on and so fourth. It has nothing to do with knowing, "Oh, my ja is ready!" its me planning out ahead of time based on the fact that I know how long all my JAs last and recast before I even use them.

I'll give an example in combat.

I know violent flourish is a 15 second recast, utsu is 30 seconds first cast, and quickstep is 15 seconds. So I'll have utsu up before hand (ichi), first thing I do, a usual is quickstep. I then immediately follow with a violent flourish to stun the mob for 3 secs while I recast utsu cause I prolly lost shadows pulling.

Then I know in my head ahead of time, that utsu is 30 secs, and flourish is 15. By now quickstep is ready, so I pop lv 2 for violent flourish acc that I need. Then I do whatever until violent flourish is ready.

That means 15 seconds has gone by, so utsu is halfway recharged. So I now wait for my step to reload, which takes... 15 seconds.

then I use violent flourish and pop utsu again, followed by box step, and finish up with a reverse flourish. Rinse, and repeat.

This is what I mean by keeping check of recasts in my head. Because I can't monitor utsus recast cause it's in an entirely different menu, I use the recasts of my various JAs to keep track of it in my head.

Recast plugin would be nice, but sadly I cannot use it. And besides, I find it annoying =/
 
I use Vista, and I have not really had a problem with any of the Plugins Windower uses. The only real problem is it used to not show my hp bar area.
 
I think it's more along the lines of vista not agreeing with my video card which makes it disagree with windower =/
 
Urat,

I've known you for quite awhile now. You seem like a bright guy, however what bothers me is that you speak of things you haven't experienced yet and DO NOT have first hand knowledge, CONSTANTLY.

Please enlighten us on your sub job lvl. I know it was horribly gimped a few weeks back at 12 or something. Perhaps you have leveled it up by now hopefully. Just worry about taking your SJ up and stop making excuses why you can't get you SJ to 37 and talk about end game when you get there.
 
jamal said:
That doesn't answer why a DNC would be valuable in any of the situations listed. Where would you use a DNC for example on a Wyrm or any other heavy tp attack HNM. Maybe NQ behemoth or nq turtle, but if you're going to be meleeing, you're going to have heavy hitters with mage healing brd and/or COR support roles.
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This.

Sorry, I didn't type very well. Meant to say, try doing endgame on dancer first. The only "land HNMs" it'd work on is NQ turtle or behe like Jamal said, but those are a joke to begin with.
 
Er, starks, I never said anything really about end game cept the fact we don't have end game gear <_< >_>

Everyone else said dancer sucks at end game due to such and such reasons, and I agreed with them that under that reasoning it makes sense. I have no idea what you do and not do concerning HNMs, and could care less considering they will never have anything to offer to my job.

My goal is to cap all my crafts at 100, including digging. And my sub job is lv 19, considering I haven't partied in 2 months, this is to be kind of expected.

You need to understand I'm not the 1337grinder that levels for 12 hours straight in an attempt to break my record of getting a job to 75.

I leveled dancer for a couple reasons. One, I was curious about it, seemed like an interesting job. Two, it is one of the best money making jobs, (don't even think thf cause we all have to admit TH really isn't as big a deal as we try to believe).

And as soon as I hit lv 5 and got the ungodly drain samba, I was hooked. I found party invites to be tasteful and fast, and found myself at lv 50 within a couple of months without trying hard at all. It was a fun job.

Now I've grown bored of leveling for a bit, and have returned to working at my original goals, lu shangs, ebisu, capping crafts, getting the perfect racing bird, so on.

I hate nin, and have a hard time leveling it. Invites are slow at lv 19.

It all boils down to my motto, games are meant to be fun, not a chore. Why on earth would I pay 20 bucks a month to do something I don't enjoy? I don't see myself getting lv 75 in the near future, the only thing remotely close to end game I contemplate is getting the Terpsichore, aside from that, I'm not gonna be partying much for a while.

So yeah, my sub is gimp. I'm not even partying, so who cares?
 
I just thought of a great role for dnc on endgame crap we can sub bard sing and dance out side of the party to entertain the weakened people and the mages lol. j/k
 
Urat said:
I have no idea what you do and not do concerning HNMs, and could care less considering they will never have anything to offer to my job.

My goal is to cap all my crafts at 100, including digging. And my sub job is lv 19, considering I haven't partied in 2 months, this is to be kind of expected.

You need to understand I'm not the 1337grinder that levels for 12 hours straight in an attempt to break my record of getting a job to 75.
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Then why are you wasting people's time with this thread?
 
I have to interject here for just a second... Did you say that party invites for NIN at 19 are slow? Seriously... you are kidding right? My dancer is lvl 54 at the moment... when i started on it I already knew I would be stuck leveling nin seemed like the best option after 20. My nin was 19, so as my dancer got closer to 40 I knew this was gonna cause a problem. Now I say all that just to say Im calling bullshit on the slow party invites. One thing there has been a lack of in that level is Tanks. So you are gonna have to pick another excuse for not having it leveled up. If you like dancer so much I would think you would want it to be the best possible? And with a gimped sub.. you can not experience that. But, dont blame the invite situation. There is always solo.. wich i did for a couple levels just for fun nin/dancer and exp was good. So no excuses for making your dancer look bad.
 
At 2 in the morning?

Uh yeah they're slow. I rarely play at normal times. My game time is around the time every starts saying {Good Night} {Everyone}

You try telling me that party invites aren't slow when I /sea all Valkurm and see a total of 2 people.

And finally, leveling isn't all of the game. When I'm kicked form a promy run when they find out I'm a dancer, or not allowed in to do a garrison run, once again under the ridiculous grounds I'm a dancer, it's extremly annoying
 
Urat said:
At 2 in the morning?

Uh yeah they're slow. I rarely play at normal times. My game time is around the time every starts saying {Good Night} {Everyone}

You try telling me that party invites aren't slow when I /sea all Valkurm and see a total of 2 people.

And finally, leveling isn't all of the game. When I'm kicked form a promy run when they find out I'm a dancer, or not allowed in to do a garrison run, once again under the ridiculous grounds I'm a dancer, it's extremly annoying
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You were denied a garrison run? lol

You could of taken all this time, that you've sat on qcdn, talking about your wonderful dancer, and spent it leveling your nin to 37, solo.
 
Or I could've leveled my woodworking to 52, which is what I did.

Don't think I'm not doing anything on ffxi while posting, my posts are often written out 7-8 words at a time while I'm in the midst of synthing/fishing

Or entire posts at a time while racing.

I Could level my ninja to 37... but why? All I'm using it for is utsusemi and dual wield for when I'm farming for my crafts.

Other than that, whats another 6 levels on my nin gonna do to make my money making any easier? Will it improve synthesis results? Make my chocobo run faster? Make me pull up fish easier? Get me more moat carps for Lu Shangs?

Didn't think so. Chances are when I start feeling like leveling again, I'll level my ninja to 25~30ish first thing, but because I'm not partying, why would I waste a whole day attempting to solo?
 
Urat said:
At 2 in the morning?

Uh yeah they're slow. I rarely play at normal times. My game time is around the time every starts saying {Good Night} {Everyone}

You try telling me that party invites aren't slow when I /sea all Valkurm and see a total of 2 people.

And finally, leveling isn't all of the game. When I'm kicked form a promy run when they find out I'm a dancer, or not allowed in to do a garrison run, once again under the ridiculous grounds I'm a dancer, it's extremly annoying
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The dunes is empty because most people would rather solo then deal with the headache of low level parties.

People still do Garrison?
 
There was a guy shouting for garrison ls yesterday o_o

On a new note, turns out DNC does have the beginning of end game gear!

We can use the Avalon Breastplate, dropped by the King Arthro SWNM, the +13 acc is very sexy.

And considering the way to enter SWNM involves force feeding the sandworm tp, dancer would be a help, not a burden =O

I'm hoping there's more to the Avalon set, cause I'd so totally go for full set for a dancer.
 
Urat,

This flame is so confusing. Are you flaming the people that says dancer sucks? You know this is not the first time a Job got called a sucky job right? Do you know what all the good players that played drgs did when their job were made fun of? The owned the job and played it to the best of their abilities. In the loldrg era there were some that were forged to be awesome DRG. Guess what, those players never whined about their job but instead tried to prove the critics wrong.

To me there is no Job that sucks, there are only players that suck. I am sure that good players that play dancer will be able to find a way to be useful in end game.

All I hear from you are excuses.

1. Can't level sub because of blah blah blah. If I was forming a party and i see 2 dancers seeking and one has a gimp sub, who do you think i will invite? Its all about commitment to the job. Yes having a non gimp sub shows that you are committed to making your main the best you can make it.

2. I can't find parties because I play @ 2am. This game is played all over the world and in different time zones. If you only play around 2:am your time and I assume you an in north america then who is that shouting Chocobo stuff during the day? O.o

A lot of people have some good advice for you to follow but you seem to stubborn to even consider them. As I have said many times in my posts to your flames, please learn a little bit more of the subject you are trying to talk about. Talk about End game when you are in an end game shell. Talk about level 60 job roles when you are yourself level 60. Take your DNC to 75 and prove to everyone it does not suck!! I hope you listen to some of the posts that people put here because some of them have really good solid advice.
 
It's not that I cant level it, it's that I have no reason to. I'm not partying atm, what part of that do people not understand?

I SAID

As soon as I get back into partying I'm gonna level the damn thing. Until then, why the hell would I waste a whole day soling, that I could spend doing all the things I want to do.

And I'm not necessarily flaming the people that say dancers suck. I'm flaming all people that say a job sucks, when they know nothing about the job in the first place. This applies to all jobs.
 
I think your dancer invites, and your acceptance into events such as garrisons will be slow until you do fix your sub. You make insane amounts of gil daily presumably with your shouts. Noone is better equipped financially to afford taking ninja to 37. In fact, with your income you could be one of the best dancers the server has seen. Put your income to good use and prove all the naysayers that you encounter in game, and the ones you've met here, that you're right. If you back your dancer up with all the right subs for the situations, and the best gear you can afford, you WILL turn some heads. People won't be complaining about your shouts. They'll be inviting you to their parties. Any job with the best of the best setup will perform amazing in a party. If you're not exaggerating your income, then be the best you can be.

You often have wild and unfounded ideas. I can't say I take every one seriously. If you follow through on your ideas with serious equipment and realistic experimentation, you might just come up with the next best thing for Dancer. But take some cues from others who promote wild and unpopular ideas: make sure you've got the hard evidence to back them up. Half the people out there don't try to experiment. Of those that do, half don't put any effort into substanciating them. Put some hard work and dedication behind your dancer and maybe your imagination will serve you well. First thing is to fix that subjob, lol. Or, at least go anon. That's what I do when my sub isn't capped for whatever reason.
 
Urat said:
It's not that I cant level it, it's that I have no reason to. I'm not partying atm, what part of that do people not understand?

I SAID

As soon as I get back into partying I'm gonna level the damn thing. Until then, why the hell would I waste a whole day soling, that I could spend doing all the things I want to do.
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This is great to hear. I was just merely pointing it out that if you don't want to level you sub job then don't complain about not getting party/mission/event invites.

Urat said:
And I'm not necessarily flaming the people that say dancers suck. I'm flaming all people that say a job sucks, when they know nothing about the job in the first place. This applies to all jobs.
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You should not make a big deal of people saying that dnc jobs suck if they don't know anything about the job. Learn to filter people's opinions

I am not fighting\flaming you Urat, I'm trying to tell you that you can learn from the people that are experienced with the game.
 
Urat said:
There was a guy shouting for garrison ls yesterday o_o

On a new note, turns out DNC does have the beginning of end game gear!

We can use the Avalon Breastplate, dropped by the King Arthro SWNM, the +13 acc is very sexy.

And considering the way to enter SWNM involves force feeding the sandworm tp, dancer would be a help, not a burden =O

I'm hoping there's more to the Avalon set, cause I'd so totally go for full set for a dancer.
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GL with getting one. This NM is currently owned ++ and will stay that way for a very long time.
 
Nicholette said:
GL with getting one. This NM is currently owned ++ and will stay that way for a very long time.
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+ It's not really good for DNC. Antares Harness is much better.
 
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