Don't where to put this.

well he could have just AFK melee'd (like many popular DD jobs do) and leeched off the efforts of others. but he didnt he contributed like a party member should. he wasnt trying to outshine anyone or trying to prove any huge point to make the world a better place for puppetmasters. he knew his limits and worked within them to the best of his ability. and the party was outstanding.

so i'll say it again: its not the job, its the player controlling them.

I seriously get a chill down my Spine when I see that statement Bolded. Either people that say that are fuckign morons, or they have never been in an EXP party ever in their fucking life...

How, in all your glorious ignorance does one just "AFK and leech in an exp party" What the fuck would a melee such as my self do in that case? Enguage the mob, get up out of my chair for 5 seconds come back weaponskill, maybe reposition to catch the mob if it's moving, then get up again for another 2 seconds to "AFK" just to come back and start in on the next mob? Seriously, gtfo with that shit.

To the topic on hand: Patience.

You took a job knowing the stigma attached to it. You are going to have to addapt to that job and play it based on the public's conception of that job, not yours. Because while you may thing the job is awesome, Others do not, and you are but 1 person amongst the 6 in a party. It's shitty, but it's true.

I have leveled Sam before the Patches, Drk before the Patches, and Thief before their Dagger boost. None of those jobs are really sought after. It's tough, and yes I complained a lot. But you get through it. Thief especially had a horribel stigma attached to it, and still does. No one takes the job serioiusly, except for people that Play thief. That's the point; people are ignorant; but they are also your greatest asset. Sure you can say you're the best Pup, Thf, Drg, etc... But does it matter when there's a particular job that needs to be done that can be filled in by a more qualified applicant? DO you want some kind of Affirmative action for Drgs and Pups? I mean c'mon, let's be realistic here. If you want to merit your jobs, you level a merit job, and exp on that to better suit your needs on other jobs. One of my biggest regrests was being so bull headed about trying to get my thief into merit parties. It's just not a merit job. Neither is Pup.

So one must ask: "What is a PuppetMaster?"

How does your friend like to play? Is he abotu blindly killing shit in a monotonous drone of death that is a merit party? Or does he prefere a more tactical approach to the game and want to be a little more active/experimental? These are the things you got to ask. because at the moment you're friend sounds like he's trying to pound a square peg into a round hole.

So now you ask: "What do I need to play the job how I like?"

For me, I love thief, and after the anguish of going through to 75 and trying to merit it, I realized, I hate meriting it. I would rather get the 20k - 30k an hour on my war and not wait 5 days for invites, merit my thief, and be happier playing thief how I would like to.

Thief is a much better job solo, and the best job duo. I found myself a close friend and all we do 90% of the time is duo shit. It's the way the job is, and that game dynamic works for us.

Samurai is the ultimate melee for stuff involving alliances. You are nearly 0 liability, you garner little to no TP to the mobs fought, and open the gates to damage for others in the group. the playstyle is not all too complex, and trust me I have tried everythign to make it so and failed. It's a moderately armored Black Mage that uses TP as a MP pool... Sure I can solo with it, but my options are limited. In a party, I am liability. The job doesn't do well in mixed company, if I want to play it in a merit party, I pretty much either have to gimp my self, or be a tampon and soak up the blood...

Dark Knight is easily the funnest job in the game. It's versatile, and easy to solo, you can farm for hours, if not days at a time. You can regenerate yourself on command, and you got an arsonal of abilities and equiptment at your disposal. It however is also not conducive to the merit/exp environment... And it sucks to duo. I like to think of Drk as my "Vacation job" it's where I go to just see the random shit that it does. No two mobs fought on Drk are ever the same. However, the option to Merit IS there, it's just not the best option.

Warrior is useless to me... I hate the job for most things and the stuff I like to use it for I don't like doing lol... I Hate meriting as a whole. It bores the shit out of me, but that's what I use my war for. Either that or I use it for missions and LS farming, when not on thief or Sam. It's and AMAZING job, it just doesn't match how I like to play.

Puppet Master is one of my hobby jobs. I level it when I got a day or two and I dont' want to deal with people. It's hard. It's a Tough job, but it's worth it. The Issue is that it's always stuck in that limbo of "Oh it would be cool if I could do _______." But it never cuts the mustard... The only way I truely had fun with pup, was with other pups.

And that TLDR ends with that:

Find your tribe.
As said before in other, and fewer words: Your solution lay in the hands of others. You either need to become one with society, lead society, or find those whom share your interests and ignore society.
 
odd one

I am the odd player. I actually invite puppets and dragoons to merits and exp. I have seen what good players in these jobs can do. At 67 i watched a puppet out DD a rng with an E.bow. I had Dragoons that put out as much damage as warriors doing rampage. In bibiki bay at 62 we fought birds and dhamels with a puppet in party and made chains of 5. exp without a ring started at 250.
IF pup was a solo job why is the recast call timer 20 minutes like a dragoon. if i am correct bst has a timer of 5 minutes. After a kick ass 58 party i staticed with a puppet because he played the job very well. As for people saying how great warrior is.... I had a warrior that refused to 1st voke and ran from all sata when i lved thf. Our party broke due to this idiot. Bad players make a job substandard, not the job itself.
 
How about in the trash, where it belongs.

PUP sucks, get over it.
 
I am the odd player. I actually invite puppets and dragoons to merits and exp. I have seen what good players in these jobs can do. At 67 i watched a puppet out DD a rng with an E.bow. I had Dragoons that put out as much damage as warriors doing rampage. In bibiki bay at 62 we fought birds and dhamels with a puppet in party and made chains of 5. exp without a ring started at 250.
IF pup was a solo job why is the recast call timer 20 minutes like a dragoon. if i am correct bst has a timer of 5 minutes. After a kick ass 58 party i staticed with a puppet because he played the job very well. As for people saying how great warrior is.... I had a warrior that refused to 1st voke and ran from all sata when i lved thf. Our party broke due to this idiot. Bad players make a job substandard, not the job itself.

That RNG really sucked if he got out damaged by a PUP.

Kick the idiot theres tons of DDs that will first voke.
 
Unless you have a Mandau, so do THF.

Yea, I said it. Get over it.

(I'm semi-joking, but your post/assumption is dumb.)

Only problem is that what I said is true; what you said is not.
 
Only problem is that what I said is true; what you said is not.

Since this is the flameboard >=) Go back to soloing Demonic Tiphia Necrosis. You know you want to lol!
 
Some people like to level silly jobs after they have a "useful" one. I've thought about levelling pup a few times. I have plenty of useful jobs so I see no problem with taking up pup next. Well, after taking these 3 new stupid jobs to 37 so all my jobs are 37+ again. :/ As for inviting a pup, below say lvl 50 or so a dd is a dd is a dd. You aren't going to get more or less xp using wars over anything else. It isn't until 50+ that it pays to be more selective on who and what you invite. If you aren't one of the preferred jobs, either cry more or build pts, thems the breaks.
 
There was no other 1st vokers and the warrior made us all just want to end it. As for the ranger he had great gear, fired every chance he could and was STILL out DDed. I am thinking some of the monsters are actually made to be puppet friendily. Like how birds are weak to piercing. Sometimes a fun party can be even better than the grind to 75/merit parties. Trying something new might suprise you. Hell today I had a party go from 54~58 Nin <me>, PUP, monk <drg dced after 2 lv> smn, rdm, blu < 3 lv for him replaced by a blm for 4th> We even got past chain 6 with this set up. If people actually know their jobs and are good at it the party will do well even with the so called loljobs. Amazing only the people that do not lv them go lol. on a side note wasn't there a parser on kirin with a pup where the pup did a large amount of the over all damage?
 
Since this is the flameboard >=) Go back to soloing Demonic Tiphia Necrosis. You know you want to lol!

Or rabbits, his favorite mob in the game.

<Foot Kick>
 
miracle of miracles happened last night to me , i was 1980/44000 on my 75 pld and actually got an invite!!! a rng started the party we had rng blm rdm whm pld and thf. although the exp wasn't as fast as cannon pty we did manage to get chain 6-7 on occasion and i managed to get a 21k buffer on my pld. i lost exp on my pld because i am always asked to help with a nm that hits too fast for a nin tank to cast shadows i die lose exp, but no one ever wants to party with pld in higher lvls because its "slow "exp/merits and maintaining a buffer can be tough.the set up up we had in our party last night i called oldskool because when i started playing alot of parties had blm rdm whm a tank puller and some other job. i am lvling monk sorry to say to gt merits for pld i intend to fully merit my pld love the job, it is discouraging when i hear ninja only pty but i deal i've been in some of the most unorthodox pty set ups even with blu main healing have gotting very good exp and had fun because the skill and attitude of ppl in party were OK weird setup lets make the best of this and see what happens and what happened was good times. sometimes these parties work sometime they don't you disband and reseek no biggie i am an old punker rocker never was afraid to try something different and rarely conformed to the norm i keep this attitude in game and have fun . these cookie cutter setups are prov en exp machines that most ppl prefer max exp in least amount of time . but i sometimes like an oldskool setup or weird setup these parties have been some of the best I've been and i,ve met ome of the best players in game because we made work what the majority said wont work . so invite that pup drg rng thief pld to a pty you might surprise your self
 
Chain 6-7 on occasion, now that's good exp.
 
Pt'd with Liefe's PUP last night. went fine.
If you friend likes PUP so much. Pimp it out as me as possible.
Solo while seeking PT so you are not wasting time sitting around.
 
Chain 6-7 on occasion, now that's good exp.

Ya know, Necro? You and your biting sarcasm really rock. Honestly.

I totally see your point in downing someone for getting xp on what is most decidedly not anyone's idea of a cannon job. It's not like those Plds out there would ever need xp, so by all means, don't spare them a moment's thought. Run on off to your next Chain Infinity super-leet merit party. Those Whms and Plds will just hang out at whatever HNM you need em for next time around.

Let's face it, not all jobs have the same strongpoints. Sure, there's a handful of jobs that are great for crankin out the high chains, but none of them (with the obvious exception of Nin) are exactly famous for their ability to tank, are they?
 
Ya know, Necro? You and your biting sarcasm really rock. Honestly.

I totally see your point in downing someone for getting xp on what is most decidedly not anyone's idea of a cannon job. It's not like those Plds out there would ever need xp, so by all means, don't spare them a moment's thought. Run on off to your next Chain Infinity super-leet merit party. Those Whms and Plds will just hang out at whatever HNM you need em for next time around.

Let's face it, not all jobs have the same strongpoints. Sure, there's a handful of jobs that are great for crankin out the high chains, but none of them (with the obvious exception of Nin) are exactly famous for their ability to tank, are they?

In some defense for Necro he regularly helps a PLD exp. for a buffer because sea tends to wear on that buffer every week and he is leveling Pally now so perhaps he'll grow to hate having to build a buffer off of too weak exp. regularly. Ignore his comments on pup he has a grudge that will never go away.
 
PUP grudge? Do you have it?

Better go to Temple room and clear your hate.
 
That's good to know, Nicho :P

It's more just me taking issue with the fact that I think I can count on one hand the number of times I've ever seen Necro say anything positive or encouraging. Not that I'm saying he has to. I'm not a licensed member of the Carebear Squad by any stretch of the imagination (pay no attention to the big, pink hearts shootin outa my chest), but after reading his posts for almost two years, I finally decided to say something.
 
I totally see your point in downing someone for getting xp on what is most decidedly not anyone's idea of a cannon job. It's not like those Plds out there would ever need xp, so by all means, don't spare them a moment's thought. Run on off to your next Chain Infinity super-leet merit party. Those Whms and Plds will just hang out at whatever HNM you need em for next time around.
Why don't people want to xp w/ PUP though?
I was responding to this. You can support PLD/PUP/THF/etc. affirmative action all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that there are far better jobs for your exp party. Have fun with your 10k/hr WHM PLD PUP PUP etc. setup; I'll stick with my 20k/hr, thanks.
 
I was responding to this. You can support PLD/PUP/THF/etc. affirmative action all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that there are far better jobs for your exp party. Have fun with your 10k/hr WHM PLD PUP PUP etc. setup; I'll stick with my 20k/hr, thanks.

Your Affirmative Action skills decrease 0.3.
 
It's more just me taking issue with the fact that I think I can count on one hand the number of times I've ever seen Necro say anything positive or encouraging.

What, do you want me to congratulate people in the Good Times forum for completing CoP? Awesome, couple years late. Or patting someone on the back for getting Bounding Boots? I see very few achievements that are worth congratulations, so pardon me for not participating in circlejerk a la QCDN.
 
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