DRGs are worthless said the blind man . . .

Yep, Lecan has my drift of things. btw, I always use drg/war in exp ptys just cause ppl feel more comfortable with the cookie cutter and dont really care to go outside the box, no offense to anyone.

So, I usually end up using drg/whm to solo which.....I can make quite a bit exp soloing and its pretty fun ^^

But in the end, we can go on and on about these DRG arguments. Like I said before, I dont care what anyone thinks, I just like having fun, its what video games were made for. Win or lose....eh, RPing with my friends is the most important thing to me.
 
Lanien said:
Cerescole said:
I got a PM here on QCDN not long ago from a fellow Dragoon telling me that he thought he knew most 70+ dragoons, but had never seen me in game, and wanted to say hi and thanked me for being a model for upcoming Dragoons. Why can't we just have respect for one another like this? If this story is true, it just shows how low the morals of people playing has become, and it hardly gets better later on.

:D

I still don't get why people have a problem with Dragoons. Anyone who can get Dragoon to 75 deserves a lot more respect than some Ranger who thinks buying his way through 75 levels makes him almighty. We deserve some fucking respect for the numbers we put up, which half of you don't even understand. Very rarely am I outdamaged by anyone short of Black Mages and Rangers. And 60+, a Dark Knight is nothing without his Thief sub and someone to get rid of the hate for him. Who better to do this than a Dragoon? But no, people don't understand what we do. All they want are big flashy numbers that in the end, just don't add up to the power of what a Dragoon and his wyvern can do. If you are level 67, I dare you to party with me and parse a log of damage done. You will be suprised.

I am one of the DRKs that likes to poke fun of my "LFG" neighbors. All the joking around i do is with friends of mine.
it goes with who can do the biggest damage on a ws or whatever. The people posting here, for the most part, are the creme of the jobs in question.
I am awesome DRK, i know this because i have on occassion(very rare =() been asked to parties by people who i had just leveled with recently.
I'm guessing the DRGs in here experience the same thing.

Me and my PLD are in synch, he hate whores when my souleater is up, and can let down when i'm doing ber/LastResort I rareley get hit more than twice after a souleater guillutine with a competent PLD.
I understand that not every PLD is competent, and will only use souleater if I'm going to finish the mob off with the SC.

Just like any job, you find out the ones to party with, and the ones to let LFG. unfortunately since DRK and DRG are in such low demand, there is no reason to pick either of us up because you got the rng's with gimped ass subs, using shitty ammo and weapons level whoring his way to 75.

i recently decided to level whore my way to 71 atm with rng. i did it right, i take the same pride when i walk into a party with rng as i do with DRK, and ii think that is one thing that differintates the solid players from the scrubs.

I mean seriously, how many times have you seen a rdm/nin 62pld/30 war, blm/smn, whm/underleveled etc just zipping by you in levels.

this isnt a DRK DRG problem, the problem is shit players who start these jobs cause they look cool, suck major ass at them, then level whore a highly recruited job.

Every job has its worth, not every player does.
 
meeze said:
Every job has its worth, not every player does.

I agree completely. As I said before, any job is worthwhile if the right dedication is put into it - there's a reason we didn't quit a long time ago at them. "^^"

As for the topic of DRG/WHM, I've never tried it first hand, though my White Mage is 33. No offense to anyone, but I would never try it personally in a party "^^"; I did however try this once as sort of a comical thing..... A ranger friend of mine wanted an axe drop from Aquarius, but no healers were on that we knew so he went as a 66thf/33nin, a friend of his came as a 75nin/37whm, and I came as a 75drg/33whm >.> it was....interesting. No one was hunting Aquarius so we were able to get it "^^"; I played the main healer and after a while we were able to beat it "^^"; Was fun and a new experience, but more for comedy then anything (and we did get the axe).

I'm not saying they can't play main healer in parties, I didn't party with one until I was a 67ish Warrior in a JP party "^^"; and one of them was a drg/whm.....it seemed to go ok until his wyvern died "^^"; luckily we also had a Red Mage in the party so we managed a while longer. Again, I wouldn't play it in an xp party unless asked to, I greatly enjoyed my time as a drg/war, but that doesn't mean that the combination can't work "^^"; I do know however that it is great for soloing. "^^"
 
trizzip said:
Kirayamato said:
Utilize what? I have been a lvl 75 DRG for a long time. And also a respectable one too (Well I hope XD)
I hope you will illustrate your point further cause I do not know what the hell you are saying.

If you dare talk about SJ whm and such... I think you are mad. I SJ War and Sam. With Sam i gain TP fast. Highest WS dmg based on my JP DRG friend is with SJ THF. I have also SJ whm accidentally in an exp pt. I think it was with Drewtaru... LOL sweet memories. When you do 2 hours, wyvern DOES NOT do Healing Breath. It either sits there doing nothing OR cast some removal spell that removes all sorts of bad buffs. *Drewtaru experience that before* Mages can debuff themselves. Wyvern not required. Healing Breath only activates IF your pt's health are red color! By that.. 1 AoE will wipe the pt and we wouldn't want that to happen!

The only thing ppl "utilize" us is maybe during ballista against ppl wearing Crimson. JPs will ask you to do "Ancient Circle" so that those with crimson will get intimidated.

Super Jump. Super Jump not only removes hate but it cancels out ones ability. To illustrate this, if a BLM or mob cast Magic on you. Their magic will be cancelled when you perform Super Jump.

Other than that.. NOTHING. Drgs are meant to do DD. Don't freaking perform some pathetic stunt and make me embaress with my own job. I will not read Alla as to me

EXPERIENCE SPEAKS LOUDER THAN MERE WORDS


Sorry, but DRG is by far meant for DD. lvl 75 or no.......DRG is meant to be versitle. I do belive your descripiton of a drg/whm is the most inaccurate i've ever seen. DRG/WHM 60+ is actually very useful in a pty since I can shoot off a healing breath at 50% HP for very little MP. I've used DRG/WHM for a loooong time.

I have a lvl'd WAR, THF, and WHM sub. If anyone has any problems with what I say.....well, I guess you'll just have to deal with that. I have fun on the game and thats what matters. <Take care>

Huh? lol... Have you tried it in exp pt? If not shut the fuck up. The only thing good DRG/whm is for solo.

I don't understand you people. Why silly people want to be in the middle. With SJ Whm, your MP and MND no were compare to the mages moreover your str is lower compare by subbing war, sam and thf.

For a little DRG who experience soo little want teach me how to suck eggs. Don't make me laugh. At the moment, there are so few decent DRGs in the server and with decent equipment and no lame emotes while jumping.
 
There are several reasons I like Dragoons in the parties I have had so far:

1. They can shed hate if for some reason I miss the TA.
2. They do fantastic DOT.
3. Jumps, Wyvern Breath, and Wyvern in general are under-appreciated.
4. They have the same B&B as I do. *Bread n' Butter*

Now, I know I like Rangers better then Dragoons. Everyone likes a good Ranger over any other melee. That's not importent though.

Dragoon have the same advantages and disadvanages as a Thief. A Dragoon will always be in my skillchain, unlike a Dark Knight douche' bag who I have only ever met ONE who'd ever use a GS in a party to open *pre-vorpal scythe meeze*.

I'm sure switching to a weapon you have the exact same proficiency in as your scythe at this lv range would REALLY hurt you. Then again most Darks can't seem to afford ONE decent weapon let alone two... :roll: Compared to killing off the skillchain, which is my biggest asset outside SATA and pulling.

So, yeah, I love Dragoons in my SC. As I listed above, their Jumps and their wryvern stack up to some serious dmg over time. If a Dragoon opens a SC with a 200+ dmg Double Thrust, and the wyvern frys the mob for 80+ dmg isn't that really a 280+ ws? :?

The other thing I love, is that their weapons get bonuses against the same type of mobs as mine do. Bats in Garliage? Flys in Crawlers? Don't be inviting a &*&**%^ Dark Knight for those when you got Dragoons lfg! :lol:

Then comes in the TP. Remember what I said about Jumps going unoticed? That isn't just some extra cheese dmg folks, that's 12TP a hit for the man with the lance. Respect that. I wish i could pull twelve TP outta my ass. Every day Thieves try and figure out how to get a 30 second return to 100%TP. Dragoons can sc for over twelve+, then jump twice for another potential 24... just ws and already up to +36tp?

Hell, by the time I close and the mage MB to kill whatever we're fighting... he'd probably hit it a few more times. Giving the Dragoon over 60% tp.

Yeah, and people say being a SC opener sucks... explain that to me please. Openers get a swing or two more TP then the guy closing.

Add in the fact Dark Knights tend to... SUCK at getting TP... yeah.

The fact Dragoons are not hate rippers also appeals to me since i party with Ninja a lot. Give me a Drg and a Smn over a BLM who wants to burst freeze and a drk who wants to soul eater/last resort/berzerk any day of the week. :lol:

Probably the best thing about Dragoons is the fact they understand and work with my job. They fit my skillchains, keep up with my TP gain, don't fuck with the hate I apply, and they don't jump to the side when for some reason I need that second SATA a bad fight.

The jobs are apples and oranges, but if I had to choose which I like better based on the good and the bad I have seen DRG > DRK.

EVERY.SINGLE.TIME.
 
Kirayamato said:
trizzip said:
Kirayamato said:
Utilize what? I have been a lvl 75 DRG for a long time. And also a respectable one too (Well I hope XD)
I hope you will illustrate your point further cause I do not know what the hell you are saying.

If you dare talk about SJ whm and such... I think you are mad. I SJ War and Sam. With Sam i gain TP fast. Highest WS dmg based on my JP DRG friend is with SJ THF. I have also SJ whm accidentally in an exp pt. I think it was with Drewtaru... LOL sweet memories. When you do 2 hours, wyvern DOES NOT do Healing Breath. It either sits there doing nothing OR cast some removal spell that removes all sorts of bad buffs. *Drewtaru experience that before* Mages can debuff themselves. Wyvern not required. Healing Breath only activates IF your pt's health are red color! By that.. 1 AoE will wipe the pt and we wouldn't want that to happen!

The only thing ppl "utilize" us is maybe during ballista against ppl wearing Crimson. JPs will ask you to do "Ancient Circle" so that those with crimson will get intimidated.

Super Jump. Super Jump not only removes hate but it cancels out ones ability. To illustrate this, if a BLM or mob cast Magic on you. Their magic will be cancelled when you perform Super Jump.

Other than that.. NOTHING. Drgs are meant to do DD. Don't freaking perform some pathetic stunt and make me embaress with my own job. I will not read Alla as to me

EXPERIENCE SPEAKS LOUDER THAN MERE WORDS


Sorry, but DRG is by far meant for DD. lvl 75 or no.......DRG is meant to be versitle. I do belive your descripiton of a drg/whm is the most inaccurate i've ever seen. DRG/WHM 60+ is actually very useful in a pty since I can shoot off a healing breath at 50% HP for very little MP. I've used DRG/WHM for a loooong time.

I have a lvl'd WAR, THF, and WHM sub. If anyone has any problems with what I say.....well, I guess you'll just have to deal with that. I have fun on the game and thats what matters. <Take care>

Huh? lol... Have you tried it in exp pt? If not shut the fuck up. The only thing good DRG/whm is for solo.

I don't understand you people. Why silly people want to be in the middle. With SJ Whm, your MP and MND no were compare to the mages moreover your str is lower compare by subbing war, sam and thf.

For a little DRG who experience soo little want teach me how to suck eggs. Don't make me laugh. At the moment, there are so few decent DRGs in the server and with decent equipment and no lame emotes while jumping.

For someone who claims to know so much about DRG, you fail to realize that Post-60 (AF helm) Wyvern breath kicks in at 50% HP, meaning DRG could be quite the effective healer if need be. I'm not suggesting that a DRG go about subbing WHM or NIN or something silly like that if it isn't called for, my point was that their versatility makes them worth the invite, that they are not wasted space. If you have such little pride in your job, perhaps you should quit it. I'm sure all Dragoon kind will thank you for doing so.

You took what was at first a somewhat docile discussion about DRG to a flame. Yes, that is what the flameboards are for. No, it wasn't called for. Yes, you are a prick for acting the way you are. There was no reason to get so pissy over this issue. If anything it could have served as a learning experience to those who don't know much about the job, instead you chose to flame.

"Shut the fuck up?"

What kind of attitude is that to take towards another person defending their opinion, especially when they were doing so respectfully. Especially when he is a fellow DRG. Perhaps it was desperation, your inability to defend your argument so you instead chose to try to focus the thread on petty insults. Sad really, and doubly pathetic.
 
meeze said:
this isnt a DRK DRG problem, the problem is shit players who start these jobs cause they look cool, suck major ass at them, then level whore a highly recruited job.

Every job has its worth, not every player does.



Amen, Meezle.
 
Have you tried it?
If you think you are soo great then proof me wrong. I tested it long time ago. I even discuss it with many other ppl which includes JP.
I have discuss with many other ppl that yes DRG's ability depends on the SJ. When you solo you either SJ RDM, NIN or WHM.
However, in EXP pt. You as a DRG whether how versitile or not. YOU are suppose to create DMG and be a SATA buddy! No more no less. Mages are there to assist you in healing.
You as a DRG are not being efficient for subbing jobs like WHM or RDM. Why? You are wasting TP. The thing about Jump is not jump damage. It is TP! SC along MB is what kills a mob quickly and subbing mage job will kill TP when you rest.
DRGs are an excellent DD till 60 as in they are one of the most common job that creates Distortion. At 60 jobs like MNK will be able to do Distortion and hence since their WS are stronger, the SC dmg are higher.
In EXP PT, DRG/whm makes the Wyvern inefficient regards to DMG. Again i would like to point out that your Wyvern will not perform any dmg nor healing when your PT conditions are OK when you perform WS. Hence you lose out 150-200 DMG there from breaths. A wyvern will only perform Healing Breath if your PT is in bad condition and also remove bad buffs. I have tested and seen it happen!
I don't care what you pea brains think about me as a DRG. As a DRG, I have accomplish way to many stuff and to quit because your beliefs based on reading without actually experience it, over my dead body. But answer this to yourself or if you wanna post here do so. What are your purpose and responsibility as a DRG in exp pt?
 
Have you tried it?
If you think you are soo great then proof me wrong. I tested it long time ago. I even discuss it with many other ppl which includes JP.
I have discuss with many other ppl that yes DRG's ability depends on the SJ. When you solo you either SJ RDM, NIN or WHM.
However, in EXP pt. You as a DRG whether how versitile or not. YOU are suppose to create DMG and be a SATA buddy! No more no less. Mages are there to assist you in healing.
You as a DRG are not being efficient for subbing jobs like WHM or RDM. Why? You are wasting TP. The thing about Jump is not jump damage. It is TP! SC along MB is what kills a mob quickly and subbing mage job will kill TP when you rest.
DRGs are an excellent DD till 60 as in they are one of the most common job that creates Distortion. At 60 jobs like MNK will be able to do Distortion and hence since their WS are stronger, the SC dmg are higher.
In EXP PT, DRG/whm makes the Wyvern inefficient regards to DMG. Again i would like to point out that your Wyvern will not perform any dmg nor healing when your PT conditions are OK when you perform WS. Hence you lose out 150-200 DMG there from breaths. A wyvern will only perform Healing Breath if your PT is in bad condition and also remove bad buffs. I have tested and seen it happen!
I don't care what you pea brains think about me as a DRG. As a DRG, I have accomplish way to many stuff and to quit because your beliefs based on reading without actually experience it, over my dead body. But answer this to yourself or if you wanna post here do so. What are your purpose and responsibility as a DRG in exp pt?
 
Have you tried it?
If you think you are soo great then proof me wrong. I tested it long time ago. I even discuss it with many other ppl which includes JP.
I have discuss with many other ppl that yes DRG's ability depends on the SJ. When you solo you either SJ RDM, NIN or WHM.
However, in EXP pt. You as a DRG whether how versitile or not. YOU are suppose to create DMG and be a SATA buddy! No more no less. Mages are there to assist you in healing.
You as a DRG are not being efficient for subbing jobs like WHM or RDM. Why? You are wasting TP. The thing about Jump is not jump damage. It is TP! SC along MB is what kills a mob quickly and subbing mage job will kill TP when you rest.
DRGs are an excellent DD till 60 as in they are one of the most common job that creates Distortion. At 60 jobs like MNK will be able to do Distortion and hence since their WS are stronger, the SC dmg are higher.
In EXP PT, DRG/whm makes the Wyvern inefficient regards to DMG. Again i would like to point out that your Wyvern will not perform any dmg nor healing when your PT conditions are OK when you perform WS. Hence you lose out 150-200 DMG there from breaths. A wyvern will only perform Healing Breath if your PT is in bad condition and also remove bad buffs. I have tested and seen it happen!
I don't care what you pea brains think about me as a DRG. As a DRG, I have accomplish way to many stuff and to quit because your beliefs based on reading without actually experience it, over my dead body. But answer this to yourself or if you wanna post here do so. What are your purpose and responsibility as a DRG in exp pt?
 
Why are we attacking each other?
1. No one should suggest anyone quit any job...
2. DRG/WHM is fun, but for xp PT sounds pretty desperate...
3. This was post informing us about what some people said about DRGs being worthless and thru these post and everyone knows its how you play the job that makes its worth.

Can we all just get along? :cry:
 
In response to Lecan -
Prolly said it a million times.
Constructive critisim becomes forceful critisim,
becomes insulting critism,
becomes "omg stfu" insults,
becomes "omg ur mom suks a duk" insults.

I missed a level or two, but it's basically how everyone works. The less of something they have worth saying, the further down the ladder they'll go. The resorting of one telling the other to shut the f-!k up is just proving over a point that they have nothing better to say in defense, in most cases because they know they've lost. (or maybe they're just really, really bad at argueing :wink: ). Just, luckily, most people know when to stop argueing rather than just step down another notch.
 
meeze said:
btw

rng>all non casters

Just a quick fact to probably make your head big... It is FACT RNG>BLM in the end so you could change your comment to RNG>ALL and be correct :)
 
Doumoon said:
Why are we attacking each other?
1. No one should suggest anyone quit any job...
2. DRG/WHM is fun, but for xp PT sounds pretty desperate...
3. This was post informing us about what some people said about DRGs being worthless and thru these post and everyone knows its how you play the job that makes its worth.

Thank God another actual DRG here supports my idea.
You guys have to understand that being versitile does not mean being efficient in exp pt.
However again DRG/whm like doumoon said fun. For solo and great in assisting quest or non-BCNM missions but not EXP.
In exp pt, your priority is to create dmg and SATA buddy. Nothing else
 
I really wanna know who that imaginary drk war.And btw mages don't even spend half of what a DD spends on exp-ing.
 
wolfskymoon said:
I really wanna know who that imaginary drk war.And btw mages don't even spend half of what a DD spends on exp-ing.

Oh good, let's go for a round of "My job is more expensive than yours," we haven't done that for a while. :roll:
 
I dunno..

I think playing DRK over DRG would be a lot more fun, hence DRKs have 2nd most access to all the weapons in the game.
Where DRG only have Polearm and a staff to go by.

Ive seen Serise couple times in ballista fashioning, the one handed Axe + Kraken Club.

Soul Eater > Last resort > rampage did about 1k dmg to me >.<.
 
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