Endgame dagger choices

Rorant said:
If it happens again im gonna assume you plan on harrassing me for the duration of my time here.
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And do what? I'm curious as to the reasoning behind the implication that he should care, here.

If you can't take criticism, internets are not for you. And certainly not forums.
 
I'm more curious as to who he thinks the "sockpuppet" is that rated him down.
 
I too have been pondering many things lately about dagger....so I decided to do some math.

Currently I use Blau/sirocco combo.

I love it, but I wanted to see what other higher dmg daggers would yield.
Like jambiya,etc. The attractive aspect of sirocco is its insanely low delay.
However after doing some calculations the difference between this and a higher dmg dagger combo is not very different.

Blau/Sirocco has a combined delay of 164
Adding in dual wield II and a suppanomimi this becomes 131.2
Divide this number by 60 and you get how often you do an attack round.
131.2/60 = 2.18 seconds

So everyone 2.18 seconds you fire off a round of attks.

Jambiya/Blau has a combined delay of 189.5
Again adding DWII and suppa = 151.6
151.6/60= 2.53 seconds

So the difference is:
2.53-2.18= .35 seconds

Just a little over half a second difference between the two sets.
Now, this doesnt factor in triple/double attk procs. but you get the general picture.

I dont run parsers myself, but I would be interested to see the difference for each dagger combo.
 
I just saw this thread today and thought I would toss in my opinion to help out. I personally have Blau,Sirocco, and P.Harpe. I have parsed myself with these different combos....
1)P.Harpe/Blau
2)P.Harpe/Sirocco
3)Blau/Sirocco
I parsed all 3 combos for exactly 1 hour in the same party with the same setup of ppl and the winning combo came out as P.Harpe/Blau with Blau/Sirocco not ver far behind I would post my parse numbers on here but I didnt save them, not thinking of a situation like this arising ; ; but P.Harpe/Blau did end up on top however P.Harpe is ridiculous to obtain so Blau/Sirocco is the much ezier combo to use. If you can get your hands on a P.Harpe one day I recommend it but if you cant Blau/Sirocco is definately an acceptable substitute.
 
Back when Blau first cam eout I was extreemly misinformed on it's stats. That being said, what you are about to read goes pretty contrairy to what I normally preech. Which in and of itself should be a lesson to all those who are taking the time to read this:

It's okay to be wrong, It's okay to change your opinion, and it's okay to have differing opinions.

As a thief, you end up in a couple situations, each with thier inherant needs.

If you are using one dagger, I.E. you are subbing War, Sam, Drk, Drg, Rng, you are likely doing the following:

War: Meriting, or Killing an HNM.
Sam: Killing a pop NM or HNM, or headed to an NM or HNM your LS already has claim on.
Drk: Killing an HNM that requires a stun once and a while(subbed does not get resisted) Or an HNM that has easily predictable/controlable AoE Weaponskills.
Drg: There are some minor merits to this Combo, but mainly for screwing around.
Rng: As an Akward, yet sometimes effective debuffer; particularly good for farming events.

So you got several subjob options, and several event options. Now you get to use your head. For Most things involving other people, you want to utilize that job trait called "Treasure Hunter" and enhance it. So most likely you should be using a Thief Knife. Even if it's only a 1% increase, it's still your responsability to make sure you are maximiszing your usefulness, for the group.

For all other times:

Mandau is the cream of the crop, and as a raw damage weapon outshines all others.

Barteradau is the Stage IV relic, it is a superb weapon, exceptionally high base damage, a decent delay, and no annoying Poison to complicate sleeping mobs when needed.

X's Knife adds a 25% bonus damage to all critical hits including Sneak & Trick attacks, unknown at this time if it still functions if offhanded, however it's got a pretty high base damage as is. When using any weapon skill, particularly Evisceration, it adds that bonus damage to the weaponskill when paired with SA or TA. Evisceration is a WS based on Critting and you can kinda Double dip on trailing hits.

Blau Dolch is probably the best Dagger of the choices for it's attainability. The Relics and the X's are nice, but good fucking luck getting em. Not impossible, but just fucking hard.

Stylet. Before the Thief Knife Fix(not a nerf, it was a fucking Fix) it was my weapon of choice. It's stats, when used on HNM, would in theory put it just a notch below Relic During SATA+WS, but would drop a little lower during TA+WS, or SA+WS.

For Thief/Ninja:

The best options would likely be:

1) Mandau/Ridill
2) Barteredau/Ridill
3) Mandau/Blau Dolch
4) Barteredau/Blau Dolch
5) X's Knife/Ridill
6) X's Knife/Blau Dolch
7) Blau Dolch/Ridill
8) Blau Dolch/Sirrocco Kukri
9) Blau Dolch/Stylet

Well that just about it in a nutshell.

Please note, if you're playing to not be a pest or a shitty thief, try and remember your role. You're not there as a DD at an HNM camp or Farming session. And you're not there as an MP sponge in a merit pt. Be responsible. If you're doing more damage as /war but sucking up 2x as much MP as you would subbing Ninja, you would be helping your party subbing ninja. Don't be a tool...

All and all, all these things do in fact maximize yoru character, but all the gains are minimal unless stacked up. I.E. you really think you'll do good damage with only a relic weapon? Or you think that Relic weapon will do significantly more damage when you have the gear to support it.

And for fuck's sake stop wearing those stupid fucking Purple JSE-50 Harnesses... They're not that great...
 
Well if you want to start getting into the extremely rare to borderline unattainable combonations... I would definately have to say that Phraust missed what is most likely the best combo of all which will most likely be
Mandau/X's knife.
Since X's knife ups crit hit dmg and "Mercy Stroke" the relic weapon skill can occassionally give you a significant increase in critical hit rate. Also although /Ridill would be a ton of fun to mess around with for some situations. I personally feel that the fact that using a sword forces you to eat ACC food as opposed to ATT food which if fully merited and sporting all the possible end game gear (Homam mostly) is very possible with dagger fully merited etc. and as a THF there is no major need to build tp much faster then every 25-30 seconds cause you arent going to WS if SA or TA isnt up, and with the Mandau/X's you would certainly gain tp fast enough and the WS dmg of Mandau/X's with ATT food would severely destroy that of Mandau/Ridill eating ACC food. O and also according to a friend of mine that has X's knife the crit hit bonus does proc for both hands^^ anyway just wanted to add my thought to what Phraust laid out there.
 
DWunstoppable said:
no major need to build tp much faster then every 25-30 seconds cause you arent going to WS if SA or TA isnt up
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Uh... you just lost a shitton of credibility saying that.
 
Ridill or Kraken aren't worth eating acc food. Dump 8 merits into either and find gear to enhance D and E rated skills, even...No thanks.
Meat + Haste/March/Minuet, Dagger/Dagger THF will perform better. Special swords and clubs are fun, no doubt, but just not worth the sacrifices made to be able to use them with any effectiveness outside of solo or farming MOBs. Their use is questionable at best on Tough MOBs, let alone anything more difficult.

X's bonus has been confirmed to work in offhand.
Warp Cudgel/X's has shown the flat increase, tested on East Ronfaure bunnies.
 
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Rorant said:
Well lookie there!
You did rate me down again today with yer sockpuppet.
If it happens again im gonna assume you plan on harrassing me for the duration of my time here.
Thanks for being a total asshole.
I hope your actions make up for your shortcomings.
Pathetic dude.....seriously.
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Dude, I don't have a sockpuppet, lol. You can ask a moderator to confirm that if you want to. I totally forgot about this topic until today. Stop assuming shit because you think you're the shit and no one else would rate you down, lol.
 
I'm curios about all this... So I'm going to be making an all THF Party either tonight(hopefully tonight) or tomorrow and my friend daywalkers going to parse it. So if anyone wants to come as either a RDM or THF or BRD let me know.

Going to be some rules to this like required food etc... So we all are eating the same food probably Sushi. So if you don't want to dish out money for food or what not then don't come.

Send me a /t online.
 
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Rorant said:
Well lookie there!
You did rate me down again today with yer sockpuppet.
If it happens again im gonna assume you plan on harrassing me for the duration of my time here.
Thanks for being a total asshole.
I hope your actions make up for your shortcomings.
Pathetic dude.....seriously.
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He doesn't have a sockpuppet.
 
Well... not that I actually care about my credibility rating in your eyes, however when I got up today and read my post I realized that I didnt say that exactly how I meant it so I thought I would repost to kind of explain what I was meaning. What I was trying to say is that in order to be dealing good dmg in a merit party as a THF you want to be building tp in time to WS with both SA and TA and I at least know that personally I would not toss out a WS if I didnt have one of those up, and I was saying that it just isnt worth it to use a multi hit weapon in your off hand if it is going to lower your per hit dmg as well as severely decrease your WS dmg. Sorry for the bad wording on my previous post, now if you will excuse me its seems as though I misplaced shitton credibility last night while I was sleeping and I need to go look for it now!
/looks under his bed.
 
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Yea man its cool.
I learned my lesson.
No more posting for Rorant.
 
Rhaddy said:
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pure gold
 
I'm sure this is a LoLdumb question but I'd like to ask about garuda's dagger and how long it can be used, is it okay to use at 75 or definitely outdated by the blau doch, misericode,etc. that rdms can use i know this thread is for thf but what job know better?
 
Garuda's dagger is soso dagger. There are other daggers that RDM can use which are better. Even before you can equip Misericode and blau dolch
lv 70: Taillefer's Dagger(27 DMG 187 Delay) would be better than Garuda.
Misericode is a good bang for your buck and easy to obtain dagger. If you can shell out the big bucks Blau is best ofcourse.

I would really only use Gardua's dagger for its silence effect which works super great on Windsday.
 
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