"Expanding" Endgame Linkshells

[ForteTeppo]

atm u realize that there is 3 completely different stories.... lol... till you all get your stories straight... might not be the best idea to post.

>_> Ignore the other 2, it's a trap!

. _. In anycase, point being, no one is being forced or penalized from not coming to the dynamis ls. In the end that's the whole point here. :3

 

[Typhus]

I was informed that one of the LS in question mandating their members join thier new dynamis roster and leave thier current dynamis shell is Epitome. Also MaliciousIntent did something similar recently, and their jaunt into dynamis ended in miserable failure leaving those members they forced to leave their existing dynamis shells to join their dynamis ls scrambling to find somewhere else to do dynamis now.

Edit: Additionally I want to say I have no issue with any endgame ls expanding into new arenas, such as a sky/hnm shell doing dynamis, until they require their members to burn bridges behind them and join their newly created dynamis roster their prior commitments be damned.

FuryDynamis, Limitless, and PinCKs are excellent examples of how an existing endgame sky/HNM ls should handle expanding into dynamis. Epitome, MaliciousIntent, and Perserverance are excellent examples of how not to handle such an expansion of ls events.

Carpe Noctem, Malicious Intent's SISTER shell, never required any one from MI to be involved in Dynamis at any time. Encouraged, yes, but never required, as a lot of us have been working together for quite some time.

Attendance in Dynamis had no bearing on points in MI, as they were 2 different shells under 2 different sets of leaders. A lot of people who were in MI left their dynashells to try out CN and help continue what we had going with PinCKs.

When Anaeran left the game, I, as 2nd in command, was approached by a lot of people from PinCKs about continuing the shell under a new name. However, we lost a few key players, all of the leadership except for myself, and over the next few months, despite aggressive recruitment attempts, our membership basically fell by the wayside, whether it be work conflicts in some instances, or the case of people getting what AF they wanted and leaving (like that never happens in end game). We started with about 30-36 after Anaeran left the game, and dwindled down to about 12-18 when I disbanded the shell. At the time I made my decision, there were about 6-10 threads on QCDN for dynashells that were actively recruiting. I decided that it would be in the best interests of the server to release what few I had to help out the other shells. At no time did MI ever "expand" into Dynamis, as both MI and CN were the successors to CK and PinCKs, respectively. There was no "scrambling" of people to find new dynashells, as I made the announcement almost 1 full month in advance of the final run of CN.

Personally, after almost 2 years of leading/co-leading a dynamis shell, it's kind of nice to just have to /as Whoever, /a now, instead of having to deal with "why can he lot and not me?" and "when are we gonna do XXX zone again?" If that makes me a crappy leader, so be it. I've dealt with worse running a 25 million dollar a year business.

Edit: Sorry this post is in response to something several days old, but I don't check the forums here all that often. This one just really pissed me off (and it takes a lot to do that), so I had to respond to it.

 

[Zylia]

I'll even speak for CN for the brief time I was in it before I quit. It wasn't mandated that MI members go to it. I knew several people in MI who did not attend CN and continued with their previous shells.

 

[Reauland]

atm u realize that there is 3 completely different stories.... lol... till you all get your stories straight... might not be the best idea to post.

Atm, do you realize you're making yourself look like a complete tool for not being prepared to at least grant me the benefit of the doubt where my own assessment and perception of events from WITHIN MY SHELL is concerned?

lol . . . gogo conspiracy head . . .

EDIT:

After having now reviewed the entirety of this thread, I can say this with near absolute certainty. The thrust of the argument being made for Rone's being some kind of power-mad nutbag is all centered around his having said, "If you don't want to be dedicated, just drop your pearl now."(paraphrase) This is in direct opposition to the fair-minded and honest leader Rone has been thus far in my experience (see that Bst with the Osode over thar? Yeah, that's me).

I never had any reason to believe this comment was being directed at anyone doing dynamis, but I had EVERY reason to believe it was being directed at a few people who chronically show up late, xp at a whim, or otherwise inconvenience an entire alliance's worth of people out of what appears to be a rather appalling lack of consideration.

Obviously (to me at least), he was talking to people he'd seen visible in the shell doing other things during scheduled events - not people who were running with their chosen dynamis shell. I can see how there may have been some misconception on that point by some present, but I know that I personally didn't take Rone to be meaning (by his "dedication statement") that everyone should either conduct ALL their end-game activities with Epitome or drop their pearl.

EVEN MOAR EDITZ(I hate making multiple posts):

Furthermore, I believe that the only reason Rone brought it up in this thread in the first place is that people were saying that they had been told to either drop dynamis or drop their pearl(or have it broken). The only thing that I have ever heard Rone say that could even remotey be misconstrued into applying was his statement concerning dedication. As the only likely candidate for the phrase some claim as a mandate, I honestly have to give Rone props for offering it up on his own. After all, which would have looked worse - his saying it now, or someone else's saying it later? In your own minds, which would look more suspect to you?

I didn't take it to mean that, and if there were any who did, they should have voiced their objections in an open dialogue.

They didn't. Apparently they jumped to conclusions, and from what I've read in this thread, they're not the only ones who have.

 

[jyakotsu]

Atm, do you realize you're making yourself look like a complete tool for not being prepared to at least grant me the benefit of the doubt where my own assessment and perception of events from WITHIN MY SHELL is concerned?

lol . . . gogo conspiracy head . . .

EDIT:

After having now reviewed the entirety of this thread, I can say this with near absolute certainty. The thrust of the argument being made for Rone's being some kind of power-mad nutbag is all centered around his having said, "If you don't want to be dedicated, just drop your pearl now."(paraphrase) This is in direct opposition to the fair-minded and honest leader Rone has been thus far in my experience (see that Bst with the Osode over thar? Yeah, that's me).

I never had any reason to believe this comment was being directed at anyone doing dynamis, but I had EVERY reason to believe it was being directed at a few people who chronically show up late, xp at a whim, or otherwise inconvenience an entire alliance's worth of people out of what appears to be a rather appalling lack of consideration.

Obviously (to me at least), he was talking to people he'd seen visible in the shell doing other things during scheduled events - not people who were running with their chosen dynamis shell. I can see how there may have been some misconception on that point by some present, but I know that I personally didn't take Rone to be meaning (by his "dedication statement") that everyone should either conduct ALL their end-game activities with Epitome or drop their pearl.

EVEN MOAR EDITZ(I hate making multiple posts):

Furthermore, I believe that the only reason Rone brought it up in this thread in the first place is that people were saying that they had been told to either drop dynamis or drop their pearl(or have it broken). The only thing that I have ever heard Rone say that could even remotey be misconstrued into applying was his statement concerning dedication. As the only likely candidate for the phrase some claim as a mandate, I honestly have to give Rone props for offering it up on his own. After all, which would have looked worse - his saying it now, or someone else's saying it later? In your own minds, which would look more suspect to you?

I didn't take it to mean that, and if there were any who did, they should have voiced their objections in an open dialogue.

They didn't. Apparently they jumped to conclusions, and from what I've read in this thread, they're not the only ones who have.

First off, if you reviewed properly you would know, that yourself, rone, and Teppo have all given totally different explainations. This being a fact... i dont even have to quote it since you stated yourself that you "reviewed the entire thread." How am i not giving you all ample time to prepare arguements, when you all have made completely different stories/statements. I did nothing but read the three statements that were made, any IDIOT can see that you all made 3 completely different stories.
Even your leader came up with a completely different story than you or teppo. Now 2 of you three is lying... LOL question is WHO?!?!?


Secondly as i have stated i have my own sources that have stated that rone was more than just "oh its ok that you have your own dynamis shell."

Rone was very adamant(sp) about having your own dynamis shell, for the following reasons, 1. It conflicted with his schedule, EVEN THOUGH they had dynamis shells well before joining rone's shell. AND 2. because it promoted less cohesiveness to run ANY events outside of Epitome. To force another to do dynamis, again is wrong. I did not once jump to any conclusions in this thread, i gathered my information from others. And no i will not give my sources because they want to stay in epitome. I dont care if you say "SS or proof." really cuz i have received this information from about 2-3 sources. All with the same story.

And thirdly, i could give a shit about the gear you obtain (IE. See that osode over there thats me.) Oh then you could see the numerous other people that have obtained that gear. I have not asked the method in which epitome hands out their gear, nor do i care. That has no bearing to this arguement.

 

[ForteTeppo]

Humm, I don't know why the others keep talking. Again, No one's being punished for not "joining" our dynamis. This is the key item here. No one is has been or every will be for not being in our dynamis.

Now, i guess where lines get confused is when people do dynamis the days we do sky or other events, such as Ks99 or even Rostrum Pumps. If they do dynamis often on the same times, then i could see where they are not right for us. If they have dynamis before or after sky, It's cool, No problem.

Is this any clearer? I'm trying my best to tell this to everyone.

 

[jyakotsu]

Humm, I don't know why the others keep talking. Again, No one's being punished for not "joining" our dynamis. This is the key item here. No one is has been or every will be for not being in our dynamis.

Now, i guess where lines get confused is when people do dynamis the days we do sky or other events, such as Ks99 or even Rostrum Pumps. If they do dynamis often on the same times, then i could see where they are not right for us. If they have dynamis before or after sky, It's cool, No problem.

Is this any clearer? I'm trying my best to tell this to everyone.

its not the relavence of you clarifying teppo. its the fact that 3 people saying "OMG THIS IS EPITOME's RULES"

 

[Reauland]

All righty then . . . from the top:

Did the people who you say told you they were given the option to either quit their dynamis shell or drop their Epitome pearl claim this was something that was said to them directly via /tell, or something they might have stumbled into in LS halfway through and misinterpreted as applying to them? I'd really like to know.

I'm of the opinion that the bulk of this has been caused by poor communication (from both Tep and, I hate to say it, Rone), both within LS and within this very thread. In other words, people taking one statement out of context, and trying to make it something it's not, never was, and never will be.

To rehash:
If the "no dedication = no pearl" statement is the only thing that was ever said, if no one claims to have been told specifically by Rone to drop their dynamis or drop their pearl, and everyone now knowing the context under which Rone said it (right after a Kirin to which several people showed up 30 min to an hour late, and not due to a conflicting dynamis from all I’ve been able to gather), then where's the contradiction?

I said I never believed it applied to dynamis, Rone flat-out said it didn't apply to dynamis, and Tepp apparently briefly thought it did, but got it cleared up later. So point out the three contradicting stories, if you'd be so kind.

As far as my having recently obtained an Osode having no bearing on the argument, allow me to clarify. You jumped on the bandwagon earlier on in this when someone else accused Rone of wanting to start dynamis just so he could pimp out himself and his officers. I bring up the fact that I got that Osode not to brag (anyone who knows me at all knows better than that), but rather to point out that, as Bst is my only 75 job, I was still just as eligible for it as anyone else who could wear it would have been. As a matter of fact, that particular night, I could have chosen instead to bid my points on NBody, but chose not to because I felt that the Osode would do more to help me contribute to the LS as a whole. Anyone who's as underhanded, conniving, and self-serving as you seem to be implying Rone is wouldn't even have me in their shell in the first place, or at least would be hectoring me to level some more end-game-friendly job as fast as humanly possible. That's how it has bearing.

Plain and to the point: the way I'm firsthand SEEING Rone run his shell is 180 degrees in the other direction of how you and others are ACCUSING him of running it.

And lastly, given some of the sniping I've seen you throw in Rone's direction in this thread, you're already fighting an uphill battle to convince me this is anything other than some personal vendetta you have against Rone himself. I'm a personal fan of the way you goad him about Sea, bring up behavior in some past shell you were obviously both in, then accuse him of being childish when he responds to it. That's top-notch there, bro, and oh-so relevant to the discussion at hand.

 

[jyakotsu]

ok i will start off by saying the following
I dont give a flying fuck if i convince you about anything. LOL you are a foolish brat to think that I said any of that for your benefit.

Secondly how have i been undermining, self serving, or coniving? LOL. If this was a self serving arguement. it would a self serving arguement, IF i was in the shell and forced out because of the fact that Rone forced me out because i did not join his dynamis shell. Undermining, how so? When i hear exact same arguements from 2-3 different sources, LIKE I TOLD RONE. How is that undermining? It is simply stating the truth as to how i have heard it. And for the record, right about now the only legit person speaking out of you, rone, or teppo... Is well... Teppo. Yourself and rone have lied and unknowingly crosscountered each other. Teppo is the only one that has yet to say anything of that sort.

Personally, as i have stated here. I Do not know rone more than the negative things i have heard about him. Like i have said several times, i dont care to convince you that you are wrong and i am right. I am here to state to the general public views that i have heard/seen/and listened to. Do i care if they get riped into? sure i do. But i dont care if i convey to you my views. You keep thinking this message is conveyed soley to you the ONLY QCDN Reader. Get a fucking grip on reality.

Thirdly, like i said. Your bid on Osode has no correlation to this arguement at all. You had points you bid on osode, congrats you can join the cool group

 

[Reauland]

ok i will start off by saying the following
I dont give a flying fuck if i convince you about anything. LOL you are a foolish brat to think that I said any of that for your benefit.

Yeah . . . because I have a long-standing rep on this site as being both foolish and a brat . . .

To reiterate:

Did the people who you say told you they were given the option to either quit their dynamis shell or drop their Epitome pearl claim this was something that was said to them directly via /tell, or something they might have stumbled into in LS halfway through and misinterpreted as applying to them? I'd really like to know.

I'm of the opinion that the bulk of this has been caused by poor communication (from both Tep and, I hate to say it, Rone), both within LS and within this very thread. In other words, people taking one statement out of context, and trying to make it something it's not, never was, and never will be.

I want this to have been miscommunication, and if you can tone down the childish combativeness a notch or two and answer my question, we'd make leaps and strides in the direction of clearing that up once and for all.

Secondly how have i been undermining, self serving, or coniving? LOL. If this was a self serving arguement. it would a self serving arguement, IF i was in the shell and forced out because of the fact that Rone forced me out because i did not join his dynamis shell. Undermining, how so? When i hear exact same arguements from 2-3 different sources, LIKE I TOLD RONE. How is that undermining? It is simply stating the truth as to how i have heard it.

You uhh . . . might wanna read my post again. I wasn't talking about you.

Yourself and rone have lied and unknowingly crosscountered each other. Teppo is the only one that has yet to say anything of that sort.

Show me where I lied. I dare you.

Personally, as i have stated here. I Do not know rone more than the negative things i have heard about him. Like i have said several times, i dont care to convince you that you are wrong and i am right. I am here to state to the general public views that i have heard/seen/and listened to. Do i care if they get riped into? sure i do. But i dont care if i convey to you my views. You keep thinking this message is conveyed soley to you the ONLY QCDN Reader. Get a fucking grip on reality.

Exactly - you're throwing out the negative things you've seen and heard along with any hearsay you can lay your hands on, and I'm countering it by presenting the side of Rone and Epitome I'm personally experiencing. Intelligent debate is a wonderful thing is it not?

 

[ForteTeppo]

I would like to ask on behalf of Epitome, for all Epitome Members and Officers to shut the Hell up. =P I truely don't want any more of My members speaking.... Period.

I am sorry for all the hassle that some people have brung, but I am greatful people are willing to speak their mind. I think we got most of our mind out in the open. But again, no more!

-_- If anyone from the ls choose to "defend" it anymore, will be feathered and Tar'd.
Thank you for your time. :3

 

[jyakotsu]

Anyone who's as underhanded, conniving, and self-serving as you seem to be implying Rone is wouldn't even have me in their shell in the first place, or at least would be hectoring me to level some more end-game-friendly job as fast as humanly possible. That's how it has bearing.
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Quoted for clarification. Dont try to lie about shit. Again, you lied.

 

[Illyria]

Wow... I just read all 20+ pages of this and considering it took me over an hour I had lots of thoughts... One being I'm glad I have a very long running Dynamis shell with a good enough group of committed members to keep on trucking. With that said I can see why Endgame shells might like to have their members run with their Dynamis times because it allows them to be at things they might be missing by being in Dynamis. However, I agree with the idea that it needs to be a seperate operation from that of other things. Props to those shells that chose to run things this way it seems to work out the best. Also it seems to run in circles that a lot people from certain Endgame shells go to the same Dynamis shell. I know of several people in Invictus are from the same Endgame shell. (I'm not a leader I'm not in charge im just making a statement BTW) But overall Dynamis is like endgame the more time you spend doing Dynamis together the better you get at it. I noticed a lot of Endgames shell reasoning was already working well together but in the end you get the same thing in Dynamis. It might not already be there but it happens overtime. Also if all the Endgame shells started running Dynamis it would leave the rest of us that have no interest or no time to do other Endgame activies to reorganize and start all over again.

(sorry if my post lacks relivance or content but I read this whole damm post and wanted to give my 2 cents)

 

[Blazeoffury]

I would like to ask on behalf of Epitome, for all Epitome Members and Officers to shut the Hell up. =P I truely don't want any more of My members speaking.... Period.

I am sorry for all the hassle that some people have brung, but I am greatful people are willing to speak their mind. I think we got most of our mind out in the open. But again, no more!

-_- If anyone from the ls choose to "defend" it anymore, will be feathered and Tar'd.
Thank you for your time. :3

So basically you mean this to anyone who wants to speak their mind from Epitome?

 

[ForteTeppo]

So basically you mean this to anyone who wants to speak their mind from Epitome?

-. - at this point... Yes.. Because I got the point across, many... many times :3

:3 Thank you for that, lovely... lovely picture~

 

[Blazeoffury]

-. - at this point... Yes.. Because I got the point across, many... many times :3

:3 Thank you for that, lovely... lovely picture~

Yall are so demanding and controlling!!!

 

[jyakotsu]

oh gosh >.> LOL what did i get Blaze started on ; ;

 

[ForteTeppo]

Yall are so demanding and controlling!!!

<3 i know you like being... dominated...

 

[Blazeoffury]

<3 i know you like being... dominated...

You're missing some key features though. Like female breasts, and a vagina <although i've heard from your members that when integral stole your KB you had a sandy one!!>

 

[Makelith]

Quoted for clarification. Dont try to lie about shit. Again, you lied.

It doesn't matter so much that they have completly different stories about rules. Thats a completly different argument. All three stories are indeed different, but you aren't looking at how they are the same.

They all said that no one was forced. You're arguing with him about something stupid that isn't even relevant to the topic.