F*** SE and here SCH (PUP Discussion)

Because i still play. yea thats going to work real well! Next time try to keep with the times :\

The "times" don't involve you, sorry.

I love how you try to compare a tank to a DD, when all i've done is listed a DD you skoffed at.

I just loves pokin fun at you, because the after effect is amusing.

If you like we could play w/ Dolphins and have a my 1 BP w/ Garuda versus a WS from you ^^.

Let's go try on Boreal Hound while we're at it too, right?!

I guarantee i'll throw Myrrh like numbers out

I'm shaking in my gimp fumas!

PS: How exactly do you know if my MNK gear is shitty or not? You've never even seen me. And if you have, and I didn't notice (you're really easy to not notice), what part was shitty? Thanks in advance, President Bush. ^^^^^ :):) *good times thread*
 
Even if he has 2 pieces, its still 2 more than Knightblade will ever see :\

I'm a MNK. If I really wanted to do Salvage by now, I would be doing it. And possibly getting Usukane if I really cared. I hated HNM so much, I stopped doing it, even if it meant not getting a black belt. Oh no, alert the police, KB doesn't have a black belt. He didn't even get his from KS99 whoring! Am I annoying you enough?
 
Let's go try on Boreal Hound while we're at it too, right?!



I'm shaking in my gimp fumas!

PS: How exactly do you know if my MNK gear is shitty or not? You've never even seen me. And if you have, and I didn't notice (you're really easy to not notice), what part was shitty? Thanks in advance, President Bush. ^^^^^ :):) *good times thread*

Boreal hound isn't remotely difficult, especially w/ the update. I can find dolphins you could probably not solo very easily.

If you are going to try to make some kind of smart retort, at least make an effort ok? What are you a prepubescent 10 year old that types on Naruto forums all day long? Or do you learn your comebacks from "YOUR MOM." Because honestly all your retorts sound similar to a your mom fest. Like i've said put a bit of elbow grease into them >.>;
 
If you are going to try to make some kind of smart retort, at least make an effort ok? What are you a prepubescent 10 year old that types on Naruto forums all day long? Or do you learn your comebacks from "YOUR MOM." Because honestly all your retorts sound similar to a your mom fest. Like i've said put a bit of elbow grease into them >.>;

Everyone saw this coming.

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And yet another thread turns into a Jyakotsu crapfest.
Seriously, you're an infection on these boards that needs to be cured.
 
I think the issue here is that Pchan is under the impression that her automaton can out-nuke BLMs, out-heal WHMs and out-DD heavy melee jobs.

Prove that to be true, and I'll eat my own face

that was the issue, however, this post is yet derailed to another siding. I don't have Usukane gear and seek no desire for it at this moment. The Pahluwan set and what haste gear I have is suffice. Sticking Usukane on PUP is like ... watching a WHM DD in it's best DD gear in an enviroment where he should be healing instead. It can be done, but it's not necessary. To a BLM, tier IV is 2006 as to their AM II that they love to use. PUP's automaton lacks consistency in its spiritreaver head to keep up with a BLM in terms of damage or damage over time, one single nuke is nothing if you can't kill it afterwards.
 
that was the issue, however, this post is yet derailed to another siding. I don't have Usukane gear and seek no desire for it at this moment. The Pahluwan set and what haste gear I have is suffice. Sticking Usukane on PUP is like ... watching a WHM DD in it's best DD gear in an enviroment where he should be healing instead. It can be done, but it's not necessary. To a BLM, tier IV is 2006 as to their AM II that they love to use. PUP's automaton lacks consistency in its spiritreaver head to keep up with a BLM in terms of damage or damage over time, one single nuke is nothing if you can't kill it afterwards.

I aggree .. in case you play PUP/WHM main healer in which case mahamtma body and mp gear are needed (i can have 600mps).
 
that was the issue, however, this post is yet derailed to another siding. I don't have Usukane gear and seek no desire for it at this moment. The Pahluwan set and what haste gear I have is suffice. Sticking Usukane on PUP is like ... watching a WHM DD in it's best DD gear in an enviroment where he should be healing instead. It can be done, but it's not necessary. To a BLM, tier IV is 2006 as to their AM II that they love to use. PUP's automaton lacks consistency in its spiritreaver head to keep up with a BLM in terms of damage or damage over time, one single nuke is nothing if you can't kill it afterwards.
a BLM nuking with AM2's for DPS need to be shot... they, like AM1, are highly MP inefficient. Sure, they are fun to use for lolhighnumbers. However, saying tier IV spells are 2006 is just fucking stupid. They are still BLM's most MP efficient nukes (Drain and Aspir aside, thye are not really "nukes")
 
well thats up to Pchan to prove one way or another. All i have been trying to say is that each job has their merits and detriments. In all honesty there are positives to having a PUP versus a SAM, especially in salvage.

Yeah how useful is a PUP once the SAM get his gear back? Yeah right off the bat PUP is helpful because you know it has hand to hand skill.
 
In all honesty there are positives to having a PUP versus a SAM, especially in salvage.

probably in salvage, and only salvage. too bad they're going to still be below MNKs thanks to their crappy hand to hand skill. I find it funny that you're targetting SAM and MNK only because I have the jobs. I also find it funny that you keep targetting my "shitty" gear when you've never even seen me. If you're gonna try and back up PUP, don't just put it up against one job, in one situation.
 
probably in salvage, and only salvage. too bad they're going to still be below MNKs thanks to their crappy hand to hand skill. I find it funny that you're targetting SAM and MNK only because I have the jobs. I also find it funny that you keep targetting my "shitty" gear when you've never even seen me. If you're gonna try and back up PUP, don't just put it up against one job, in one situation.

PUP's focus is not H2H or any combitable weapon one can equip, but then again it's not the main focus of the job either. PUP's H2H will always remain at a C skill so as to maintain... PUP with any future of an A skill might as well be a damn MNK.
 
Wow, are you stupid?

Their hand-to-hand skill almost means nothing. Especially not on the first floor where everything have low evasion and low defense. What makes MNK's pull ahead at start, and this is assuming no one have any cells unlocked (that means, pre-chest patch only), the MNK will outdamage the PUP because of higher Martial Art. Assuming they'd have the same Martial Arts level (which they don't), then yes, MNK would pull ahead of PUP. However, as it is, the reason MNK outdamage PUP is not because of their hand-to-hand skill. Their hand-to-hand skill is, just like WAR, THF and NIN, one of the reasons they're useful on the first floor. And before weapons etc. PUP will outdamage said jobs (notice how I didn't mention MNK there).

However, right now, post-chest patch, a MNK will always outdamage a PUP. Not because of higher H2H skill and Martial Arts level, but because they will most likely be your tanks. Thus, you gear them up first. this means they get first weapons, first equipment, first melee stat cells, first ability etc. Partly because you want them to tank on first floor because of Counterstance, which speeds the floor up by a whole lot.

However

If you gave the PUP the all of that first (which would be stupid, mind you), then naturally the PUP would outdamage the MNK. My point is, you can't ever compare job's damage in a situation such as Salvage, where most of the people will be partly unlocked, and some of the people fully unlocked, as they will lack stats, equipment etc. Especially on pet jobs, whose pets go under the same restriction as their master, and they are likely to not get STR cells before melee jobs. A MNK will outdamage all other jobs on first floor, including WAR and SAM. So saying a MNK will still outdamage a PUP in salvage is moot, as a fully-unlocked PUP will easily outdamage a completely locked PUP, and vice versa. The reason PUP don't get unlocked in Salvage is the same reason THF and many other jobs don't get unlocked. They are usually not a key job. MNK, WHM, RDM, THF and BRD are key jobs. However, the MNK is the only one that needs to be completely unlocked to be effective. MNK is a heavily geared-based job, which PUP is not. A MNK with only ability and weapon unlocked will be outdamaged by a PUP with only weapon and ability unlocked, simply because the PUP have his pet. The PUP, on the other hand, will never get said cells before a MNK, simply because a MNK is more versatile and important, while a PUP is replaceable. PUP, like all other melee jobs, take a back seat in Salvage.

I guess it depends on your group though. A WAR, or hell, even a SAM, could take a MNK's place in Salvage, assuming you have no MNK. A MNK will still be more useful, though, due to Subtle Blow.
 
Evn if PUP had a A+ skill while MNK only had a A- skill, the MNK would probably still outdamage a PUP without an automaton, simply because of a higher martial art skill level. You can't say "But the MNK will outdamage the PUP!", as that's completely neglecting the Automaton. If PUP had the same Martial Arts skill as a MNK, a PUP would blow a MNK out of the water, even with their lower H2H skill, as their automaton is really quite strong.
 
yeah, btw, my last skill was in referance to Salvage, assuming both had the most basic unlocks. Once gear is unlocked, the MNK would win. The MNK have better access to gear, which is PUP's #1 downside. I'd love to see how a PUP in full Usukane would do, though.
 
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