F*** SE and here SCH (PUP Discussion)

[.Curjos.]

Yes, every now and then a miracle happens, I'm not denying that. But a couple of things I'd like to point out:

• If the Automaton took aggro from that, which it probably would, then it would die you would be fucked until Activate recast was finished.
• I love the way that through out the dialog you don't see any of the damage the automaton does over time (i.e. by melee hits, nukes, etc.). It does 4k through out the entire fight. If you took the damage that a melee DD would do through out the fight then it probably wouldn't make a difference.
• PUP lacks in utility and the lack of control that the PUP has over the automaton is a major disadvantage.
• Lol @ the 41 damage shoulder tackle. Jeez, if that's a weapon skill I would hate to see how much damage a standard melee hit would do.

To summarize; miracles happen, there (or should I say 'they' if I'm talking to Pchan?) might have deal a lot of damage in a burst which isn't a sign of greatness, and Pchan is still a retard.

Btw Pchan, the only reason that Uzor is sticking up for everything you say is because he things you're a woman.

(And you spelled 'more' wrong. Please take spelling lessons before replying. Thanks)

 

[Sephectja]

THIS IS PUPPETMASTER

 

[pchan]

Yes, every now and then a miracle happens, I'm not denying that. But a couple of things I'd like to point out:

• If the Automaton took aggro from that, which it probably would, then it would die you would be fucked until Activate recast was finished.
• I love the way that through out the dialog you don't see any of the damage the automaton does over time (i.e. by melee hits, nukes, etc.). It does 4k through out the entire fight. If you took the damage that a melee DD would do through out the fight then it probably wouldn't make a difference.
• PUP lacks in utility and the lack of control that the PUP has over the automaton is a major disadvantage.
• Lol @ the 41 damage shoulder tackle. Jeez, if that's a weapon skill I would hate to see how much damage a standard melee hit would do.

To summarize; miracles happen, there (or should I say 'they' if I'm talking to Pchan?) might have deal a lot of damage in a burst which isn't a sign of greatness, and Pchan is still a retard.

Btw Pchan, the only reason that Uzor is sticking up for everything you say is because he things you're a woman.

(And you spelled 'more' wrong. Please take spelling lessons before replying. Thanks)

like i said cry moar and stop finding excuse for pup to do awesome damage

 

[.Curjos.]

like i said cry moar and stop finding excuse for pup to do awesome damage

Like I said go hand your self you stupid bitch and try coming up with a decent argument for a change?

What the fuck are you on about you docile cow?

 

[Knightblade]

like i said cry moar and stop finding excuse for pup to do awesome damage

You must be one of those people who uses a WS on boreal hound or an open mouthed fish and sigs it.

 

[Knightblade]

You must be one of those people who uses a WS on boreal hound or an open mouthed fish and sigs it.

Although, don't get me wrong, I was quite impressed by the mortars on Kirin and in that SS. Under what circumstances does it get that high? What are the mods and such, I mean?

 

[Knightblade]

Although, don't get me wrong, I was quite impressed by the mortars on Kirin and in that SS. Under what circumstances does it get that high? What are the mods and such, I mean?

Nevermind.

- Additional tests show with the aid of Role Reversal, Flame Holder and Inhibitor, 300%TP and 3x Fire Maneuvers at low HP (<4%) will cause incredible unresisted damage that is sometimes mostly mirrored in a Light Skillchain.

 

[jyakotsu]

[*]If the Automaton took aggro from that, which it probably would, then it would die you would be fucked until Activate recast was finished.

I dont get this point, if a BLM did a great deal of damage they are about as squishy as the Automaton.... If a taru blm dealt 2k dmg to Kirin, more often then not he'd be ass up face down as well. So i do not get the remotely relative point to bringing up the fact that the automaton would die quickly.

 

[.Curjos.]

I dont get this point, if a BLM did a great deal of damage they are about as squishy as the Automaton.... If a taru blm dealt 2k dmg to Kirin, more often then not he'd be ass up face down as well. So i do not get the remotely relative point to bringing up the fact that the automaton would die quickly.

Touché

But I would like to point at that a Black Mage has more control and intelligence at an automaton, as well as access to abilities such as blink that might save him/her. Black Mages can also be buffed and cured by others which could be a factor that saves the Black Mages life.

 

[Xalioniaf]

I dont get this point, if a BLM did a great deal of damage they are about as squishy as the Automaton.... If a taru blm dealt 2k dmg to Kirin, more often then not he'd be ass up face down as well. So i do not get the remotely relative point to bringing up the fact that the automaton would die quickly.

As I understand it, Magic Mortar is a close-range skill. So while a BLM could run, grav (/rdm), etc., an automaton would be standing right in front if the monster's hot coal-red eyes as it begins to issue the beatdown of a lifetime on said automaton.

 

[Knightblade]

Not bad, but how often can they do that?

 

[jyakotsu]

As I understand it, Magic Mortar is a close-range skill. So while a BLM could run, grav (/rdm), etc., an automaton would be standing right in front if the monster's hot coal-red eyes as it begins to issue the beatdown of a lifetime on said automaton.

True, however lets put it into perspective

A BLM deals 2.1k damage to kirin w/ Tornado II.

Kirin, who in my experience, runs faster than normal running speed chases after a taru BLM(who is running screaming). I know bind doesn't work on kirin, however grav does. But even w/ grav, it wears within a few seconds. 9 times out of 10 i guarantee if a blm takes hate, he will be ass up anyways within the minute. So in all honesty the chance of said automaton or said blm will be dead either way.

And if you seriously argue over that 1/10 blm that gets away.... you'll need a new argument.

 

[jyakotsu]

Touché

But I would like to point at that a Black Mage has more control and intelligence at an automaton, as well as access to abilities such as blink that might save him/her. Black Mages can also be buffed and cured by others which could be a factor that saves the Black Mages life.

true, however doesn't the automaton have Ventriloquy, repair, and role reversal? I mean in all honesty a master can retreat the automaton, repair role reversal and ventriloquy all at the same time. a 1 minute 30 second recast on some of those JAs are comparable to that of a superjump of a DRG etc etc.

 

[.Curjos.]

True, however lets put it into perspective

A BLM deals 2.1k damage to kirin w/ Tornado II.

Kirin, who in my experience, runs faster than normal running speed chases after a taru BLM(who is running screaming). I know bind doesn't work on kirin, however grav does. But even w/ grav, it wears within a few seconds. 9 times out of 10 i guarantee if a blm takes hate, he will be ass up anyways within the minute. So in all honesty the chance of said automaton or said blm will be dead either way.

And if you seriously argue over that 1/10 blm that gets away.... you'll need a new argument.

How about every other disadvantage I mentioned during my post?

But I ask you this; what job (other than a tank) does survive pulling aggro from Kirin?

 

[jyakotsu]

How about every other disadvantage I mentioned during my post?

But I ask you this; what job (other than a tank) does survive pulling aggro from Kirin?

that was my point lol. You 100% got it .

You were saying that a pup is fucked if his automaton dies, well in all honesty if a Toon dies think of it this way: It usually takes anywhere from 1-5 minutes to get raised at a Kirin, followed by a 5 minute unweakening right? In all honesty is it much different than dying to a kirin when a BLM dies.

 

[Xalioniaf]

that was my point lol. You 100% got it .

You were saying that a pup is fucked if his automaton dies, well in all honesty if a Toon dies think of it this way: It usually takes anywhere from 1-5 minutes to get raised at a Kirin, followed by a 5 minute unweakening right? In all honesty is it much different than dying to a kirin when a BLM dies.

Why aren't you bringing your own reraise? And 5 minutes is a lot better than the 20 minute recast for activate.

 

[jyakotsu]

Why aren't you bringing your own reraise? And 5 minutes is a lot better than the 20 minute recast for activate.

More often than not the spare whms are raise3ing the BLMs. Same with dynamis, more often than not the BLMs receive R3 and cancel their RR. and 5+5=10 plus another few minutes to recoup all your MP. Honestly, its a 5-7 minute difference. Which isn't a huge deal... Plus if you get nitpicky, you'd have to add the fact that the automaton is dealing a hell of alot more damage before the Automaton dies. If you don't believe me look at the pics that Pchan posted. Its all relative i guess.

 

[pchan]

Not bad, but how often can they do that?

Armor piercer is pretty much constant damage on any mob 1K+ plus it has the ability do open/close tier 3 sc

 

[.Curjos.]

Armor piercer is pretty much constant damage on any mob 1K+ plus it has the ability do open/close tier 3 sc

as can most DD jobs.

 

[jyakotsu]

as can most DD jobs.

if you openly say this, why do people lol at them then . Since PUP can output normal WS Damage, in all honesty if its their AF then i understand... Because their AF looks like a joke. But in Damage numbers they output quite a bit, and if you look at their Automaton's Weapon Numbers... they aren't half bad. http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Puppetmaster