F*** SE and here SCH (PUP Discussion)

jyakotsu said:
More often than not the spare whms are raise3ing the BLMs. Same with dynamis, more often than not the BLMs receive R3 and cancel their RR. and 5+5=10 plus another few minutes to recoup all your MP. Honestly, its a 5-7 minute difference. Which isn't a huge deal... Plus if you get nitpicky, you'd have to add the fact that the automaton is dealing a hell of alot more damage before the Automaton dies. If you don't believe me look at the pics that Pchan posted. Its all relative i guess.
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That'd be some serious number crunching then. Nothing I'd like to bother with for jobs I don't play.
 
jyakotsu said:
9 times out of 10 i guarantee if a blm takes hate, he will be ass up anyways within the minute. And if you seriously argue over that 1/10 blm that gets away.... you'll need a new argument.
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More like 8/10 times, and that's based on luck, for unskilled BLMs. Now, if you're a skilled BLM that is any good at kiting, I'd say maybe more like 4-7/10, depending on circumstances and how good your tank is. But what would you know about being a skilled BLM? Or a good tank at that!

I'm not sure if that deserves a zing or not, I'll let the general QCDN audience opinionate. Although, if I let that happen, chances are I'll have a few Uzors, Pchans, and Mdkusers saying that it doesn't, so nevermind.
 
Knightblade said:
More like 8/10 times, and that's based on luck, for unskilled BLMs. Now, if you're a skilled BLM that is any good at kiting, I'd say maybe more like 4-7/10, depending on circumstances and how good your tank is. But what would you know about being a skilled BLM? Or a good tank at that!

I'm not sure if that deserves a zing or not, I'll let the general QCDN audience opinionate. Although, if I let that happen, chances are I'll have a few Uzors, Pchans, and Mdkusers saying that it doesn't, so nevermind.
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Hurry up already, Jyakotsu, I'm waiting for your witty comeback that tries to oppose something that I never said.
 
Lackey said:
Bringing RR items to kirin?? Surely you jest....
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Well I just use a spell. Anything too many R1s eat up can be resolved with some good ol' campaigning.
 
Knightblade said:
More like 8/10 times, and that's based on luck, for unskilled BLMs. Now, if you're a skilled BLM that is any good at kiting, I'd say maybe more like 4-7/10, depending on circumstances and how good your tank is. But what would you know about being a skilled BLM? Or a good tank at that!

I'm not sure if that deserves a zing or not, I'll let the general QCDN audience opinionate. Although, if I let that happen, chances are I'll have a few Uzors, Pchans, and Mdkusers saying that it doesn't, so nevermind.
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Are you a fucking moron? Or do you try? I really want to know.

Honestly, you got E-pissed when i commented on your gear after you stated "i've never seen your gear." Yet you come at me with "accusations" of me being a bad blm or a bad tank, and you've never seen me do a damn thing.

I'll tell you right now that i guarantee even if you had an ounce of knowledge of tanking, you know a pile of dogshit compared to me regarding tanking and kiting. And before you go off on a wild 12 year old tangent on how you never said any of that. read the quoted above asshole. "ZOMG JYK
 
Xalioniaf said:
Well I just use a spell. Anything too many R1s eat up can be resolved with some good ol' campaigning.
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Meh, if i know a surplus of WHMs are at an event. I tend to not eat R1s. As is any job that its difficult to get merit pts w/.

If you have RDM and BRD as your main end game jobs its much easier to get merit pts, etc etc.
 
jyakotsu said:
Meh, if i know a surplus of WHMs are at an event. I tend to not eat R1s. As is any job that its difficult to get merit pts w/.

If you have RDM and BRD as your main end game jobs its much easier to get merit pts, etc etc.
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With the hate changes for campaign, it's actually a lot easier to get exp from campaign now on more jobs. That, and I haven't been in an actual merit party since december, so meh.
 
jyakotsu said:
Honestly, you got E-pissed when i commented on your gear after you stated "i've never seen your gear." Yet you come at me with "accusations" of me being a bad blm or a bad tank, and you've never seen me do a damn thing.
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Alot of people are telling me you completely suck. And I can tell that you do from your view point on most things. But, in all honesty? I just love fucking with you.
 
Knightblade said:
Alot of people are telling me you completely suck. And I can tell that you do from your view point on most things. But, in all honesty? I just love fucking with you.
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Likewise ^^, I've seen your gear and many a person have told me you completely and utterly suck at what you do in this game as well. And i'm glad they talk shit after the fact that i quit the game. So in all honesty i find what you say a farse. Continue your 12 year old game though. Tell Queenandariel, Jamsey, BBT, Xean, Zerayla and all the other rejects you hang with i said hi though. And honestly if these people talk shit, they've never seen me setup/run/ lead events and such.

But hey we can go on and on and on like this ^^


Xal i wasn't really around for the campaign too much, if its easier to get exp thats awesome. Honestly, its much better that they changed it
 
jyakotsu said:
Likewise ^^, I've seen your gear and many a person have told me you completely and utterly suck at what you do in this game as well.
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Someones talking out of their ass, unless you have proof of course. Shut me up, please.

jyakotsu said:
Tell Queenandariel, Jamsey, BBT, Xean, Zerayla and all the other rejects you hang with i said hi though.
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Wait, what? lol.
 
Isn't this constant arguing about Pup doing as much Dmg as Blm just a moronic as comparing any job to another in terms of Dmg? So it can do a lot of Dmg, big fucking deal. It's still dorky as hell and you're still playing with a fucking Barbie. What's next? We gonna start comparing the shitty Rdm tanking(50k says Hellstorm posts) to Pld tanking? Cause we all know it's been a while since we've done that.
 
Fine, RDM Meleeing and out parsing a War.
 
a lv 10 war?
 
Khajit said:
a lv 10 war?
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No, this kind of WAR.

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jyakotsu said:
True, however lets put it into perspective

A BLM deals 2.1k damage to kirin w/ Tornado II.

Kirin, who in my experience, runs faster than normal running speed chases after a taru BLM(who is running screaming). I know bind doesn't work on kirin, however grav does. But even w/ grav, it wears within a few seconds. 9 times out of 10 i guarantee if a blm takes hate, he will be ass up anyways within the minute. So in all honesty the chance of said automaton or said blm will be dead either way.

And if you seriously argue over that 1/10 blm that gets away.... you'll need a new argument.
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Actually that a big misconception Kirin can be bound, silenced, poisoned and stuned though is highly resist to each. (seen a nin/drk even bind once yet blm could not) Reason you normally don't try to bind is because you going have a melee come and wack it anyway and it is inconsistent.

Myrrh said:
Isn't this constant arguing about Pup doing as much Dmg as Blm just a moronic as comparing any job to another in terms of Dmg? So it can do a lot of Dmg, big fucking deal. It's still dorky as hell and you're still playing with a fucking Barbie. What's next? We gonna start comparing the shitty Rdm tanking(50k says Hellstorm posts) to Pld tanking? Cause we all know it's been a while since we've done that.
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Why? Be no different then say the difference between mnk and war or any other argument. Moink take pride in his job and want to prove that pup is not as lol as people make it out to be. Yes hes playing with a dolls to do damage, but how then you playing with a radioactive rat. This game was made to be played with many different aspects and play styles, just because you may not find it very effective does not mean it does not work or can not happen. Why don't you stop doubting everything and try new things may be you learn something.
 
correction: How that any different then you playing with a radioactive rat.
 
hellstorm said:
correction: How that any different then you playing with a radioactive rat.
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Nuclear Squirrel. But Myrrh Likes BBC so that really isn't unusual for him.


Blm CAN wear herald's, last I checked Pup had no such option. Once again, this is not to say every single blm will have one, only that the Blm has the capability of using one. But if either's pulling too much hate you're probably doing it wrong, and if it's severe it's all over anyway.
 
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