Fair warning for party leaders...

Tyrath said:
I'm sorry, you people make no sense to me.

How is it leech experience points if HE is the one doing stuff, be it on that character or another. He is still the one doing the work. I don't give a shit what you doubt or don't doubt. As I said that party was one of the few at that level that I had that killed without stopping (this was high 30s).


You people's "moral" issues with this make no sense to me. He put in the work, he did a fine job. I had no complaints with the exp. No problems with me.
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Because he's taking up a party spot which could have easily gone to someone else that you know would have been more useful in exchange to heal you guys with another character. So that character that you let in to level becomes a leech not doing anything except the occasional refresh and enfeebles which takes his attention away from healing on the second character while in the enfeeble cycle or misses a dispel on a mob.

There is one key thing his character is missing not having a subjob that is stat enfeebles from /black mage as well as conserve MP and more int for the black mage enfeebles to have a higher chance of sticking. I'm starting to think I'll take a melee red mage over a red mage with out subjob now. However, that is still a toss up because the melee red mage isn't doing something he could be doing while meleeing where as he could be doing that thing the melee isn't doing. Him leveling with out a subjob is nothing new Tymon pointed out someone did it on black mage. Maybe he just doesn't want to conform to the norm so he is willingly gimping himself to 75 so he doesn't have to conform. Who the fuck knows I wouldn't invite him because it shows he's not willing to do the full work.

Tyrath I know you're an experienced player. Would you want him in sky or sea with you knowing he doesn't have a subjob meaning the chances of his enfeebles landing is slim to none? Would you really want him at 75 being too lazy to not get a subjob?

Once again, YOU DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE JOB HE DID BECAUSE HE BROUGHT A 75 WHITE MAGE TO HEAL YOU. You got a free PL for the exchange of allowing a character leech his way to a level up maybe two.

High 30s means the party could sustain itself. The only reason you didn't have to stop is he probably had gear macros for +mp while resting along with a refresh tic on a nobles tunic.
 
Khidir said:
In fairness Lec. you'd have to give it to the ls with members of those jobs credit because they as an individual and a whole make a bigger effort by majority in comparison to one person who rides the exp wagon that others invite him and 'give' to him.

Not attacking you, just my perspective
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I don't see where I didn't give them credit.

I think it's cool what they've done, however impractical IMO for some end-game and if my BST was high enough, I'd probably try and see if I'd be welcome in for some of the fun "just cause" events, cause it sure looks like a good time. :D

romperstomper said:
I'm sure someone HAS taken a job to level cap with out sub jubs before when people were new and didn't know how or where to get the support job quest. This is nothing new. This is absolutely stupid and this player should be banned for being so stupid. I'll throw a bone out there and say he bought that dual boxed character as well because no one was inviting him for not having a subjob.
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I'm sure it's been done, nor did I say this was new.

Stupid perhaps, but it's his right to be stupid (insert it's his $10-15 argument here) so long as he isn't hurting anyone or making anyone UNWILLINGLY deal with him or annoy them.

He's clearly not going out of his way to pester any of you and he's NOT forcing you to stay in any XP parties made by him or containing him. No need to ban someone who isn't hurting anyone and just being stupid in their own world. You are NOT forced to do -ANYTHING- with this guy.

Also, this WHM is new. When I partied with him, weeks ago early 40's (guess he hasn't partied much since then) he wasn't PLing the party and we dealt with him as a gimp and he still did a well enough job. Kept me refreshed and everyone else up and up on their HP.

If he bought it, it's his waste of cash and would be the only viable argument you can hold against him...
 
To romper, dont feel like quoting and making post giant :<


No I wouldn't want him in a linkshell. No I don't plan to pt with him again. But at that time, I had no problem with it. I needed a healer, and I don't think he was leeching because the powerleveler he brought was in HIS OWN control. I didn't care what gimpness his character had, because his 2nd character made up for it in what I needed, healing. Its really that simple. There are no other elements here. There are no ifs or buts.

Obviously we don't see eye to eye on the matter. So I'm gonna leave it at that. Because this is starting to become what I hate most about the flameboard. Same thing back and forth and back and forth and...yeah.


Don't invite him if you don't want to lol No sweat off my back.
 
Ladies and gentlemen I bring to you the ramblings of an idiot.

Sagis said:
romperstomper said:
Sagis said:
My rate downs do nothing? Oh no! My e-peen bar has no power! What the fuck are you on you useless sack of shit? You honestly care that much about a retarded rating system made for egotistical fruit cakes?
Yes, "you're god damn idiot" ... and I'm the idiot? Learn to type bigot because you are a god damn idiot.
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How am I an idiot for pointing out that people have reached a level cap with out a subjob before? Oh right because people HAVE done it before. Maybe you should read the thread and realize this was not the subjob trick this is a person actually leveling to 75 with out a subjob which automatically gimps something.

Obviously you care enough about the reputation system thats why you tried to rate me down. Enjoy your red dot.
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Oh noes~ RED! Means so much from such a retarded set of people. *laughs* I know it's been done, but who cares? Let the guy play however he wants. It's not effecting you in ANY way and the party did FINE.

And no, I didn't "try to rate you down". I don't have the posts or rep to have them matter, I did it simply to tell you you're an asshole without having to soil myself by posting on this site more than I have to.

So enjoy your green dots of "power". They make you big and strong in real life!
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Yes you did try to rate me down trying to call me an idiot based on the fact of waaa it's his 15 dollars a month. Yes this guy HURTS anyone that he levels with by not living to his full potential for not having a subjob. His MP pool isn't as good as it should be as well he is lacking divine seal, elemental seal, conserve MP, curaga, erase at later levels, and most importantly improved stats for enfeebles to be landing and lasting longer.

He is willingly gimping himself and I would not want him any where near an end game shell at 75. I would not want him anywhere near my party even if he is a red mage even with a second character outside healing. You would all be bitching if this were a ninja or paladin with out a subjob to tank, but it's the almighty red mage while holding a second character.

Lec I don't know but something has made you really retarded. YOU have red mage at 75 you should know the effects of the subjob on a red mage. You should be disgusted by him. Yet you use one of the weakest defenses like the tool up there saying it's his 15 dollars a month he should be allowed to play how he wants. Sorry if its going to effect performance that he's so desperate for parties he needs a second character obviously he's either not a good player or needs that subjob to make him better which would eliminate the need for the second character.
 
He is willingly gimping himself and I would not want him any where near an end game shell at 75. I would not want him anywhere near my party even if he is a red mage even with a second character outside healing. You would all be bitching if this were a ninja or paladin with out a subjob to tank, but it's the almighty red mage while holding a second character.
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Hey, guess what

If he sucks, he won't get into a good end game shell. He won't stay in good parties long, because they'll kick him.

You're saying you don't want him near end game. Do you really think an end game LS would accept a RDM that has no skill / subjob (yeah, he'll probably get it later on) or even his WHM character past a trial period?

I know RDMs and BRDs are highly sought after for merit parties because of refresh, but when end game comes to mind they aren't exactly a rare commodity. he wouldn't last a month
 
romperstomper said:
Amazing how you can't make a retort because well I'm right. Now go ^^ with someone else.
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I didnt make a retort towards you because i realized what arguing with you makes me >.>;

Honestly i made no ill post towards anyone and you made a pot shot towards me. There was no argument that i made in the first place, nor was i planning on making a retort. I realized that arguing with you makes my head hurt, along w/ anyone reading the shit you and i argue/post about. So GG have fun and keep throwing those up there :\ I simply agree w/ Tyrath and Lec, if there is a RDM seeking, and there is no one else that remotely resembles a RDM then guess what I'd invite him too
 
Tymon said:
Hey, guess what

If he sucks, he won't get into a good end game shell. He won't stay in good parties long, because they'll kick him.

You're saying you don't want him near end game. Do you really think an end game LS would accept a RDM that has no skill / subjob (yeah, he'll probably get it later on) or even his WHM character past a trial period?

I know RDMs and BRDs are highly sought after for merit parties because of refresh, but when end game comes to mind they aren't exactly a rare commodity. he wouldn't last a month
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QFT, if a shell accepts him as a RDM75/-- That would make me Rofl. I hear grndmstr needs a new end game shell, maybe he can transfer over to Pandy and make a shell w/ Grndmstr.
 
romperstomper said:
Lec I don't know but something has made you really retarded. YOU have red mage at 75 you should know the effects of the subjob on a red mage. You should be disgusted by him. Yet you use one of the weakest defenses like the tool up there saying it's his 15 dollars a month he should be allowed to play how he wants. Sorry if its going to effect performance that he's so desperate for parties he needs a second character obviously he's either not a good player or needs that subjob to make him better which would eliminate the need for the second character.
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No, you just -always- have to be right.

My point is simple, don't like it?

Don't have to tolerate it, fuck off and leave it at that and uh DON'T XP.

I damn well know the effects of almost each and every subjob on my Red Mage, because I've leveled more than the average player does and I've found small instances where I've put some of them to use, though most of those situations are few/far between.

I'm simply not disgusted by the fact because I know I'll never see him end-game or any serious activities MY Red Mage partakes in... None of the LS'es I run with would ever tolerate such a blatant disregard for his job in-game.

My point is, gimps get to 75 weekly, whoopdeedoo for another one and at least he's not hurting anyone's enjoyment or being a nuisance to the community.

The -biggest- inconvenience he can impose is by seeking and getting people's hopes up that a decent well-prepared RDM is seeking and the fix to that is simply not taking him.

Guy hasn't been a dick so far, hasn't started shit with anyone. You're just on an elitist witch hunt. You were one of the top of the line people who bitched at Jyakotsu about his witch hunts, but now here you are persecuting someone who really did nothing to you to start any trouble.

It seems our lovely little fellow has come around into making more sense than some others (including other recent posts) and you're the one looking like a stubborn blockheaded elitist who doesn't even play for your opinion to hold much water.

Simply put:

I agree, the RDM's a fucking gimp and puts RDM's to shame; however it's the players choice to XP with him or not.

And yeah, as long as he's not hurting anyone, it's his fucking 15 bucks and those who -DO- party with him, are accepting him for being such a fuckin' gimp.

I sit around, xp, do events and flirt all day (though for some reason it's not cheering me up over some recent happenings) and I'm not going out there MPKing or botting claims, or just over /shouting in Whitegate/Jeuno to interfere with anyone's fun.

If you don't like the fucker, when you get your ass back in FFXI, don't fucking play with him and quit persecuting someone who really hasn't done anything to directly offend you.

I could sit here and call you a pseudo-intellectual fatass who has nothing better to do than jack off in your dirty sock while surfing QCDN to look for the next person to fuck with, and then understand you having some beef with me, but I did nothing of the sort and neither did this guy.

I thought you were cool people, but you're really taking this shit way too far just cause someone harmless is gimping himself so poorly.
 
Lecreuset said:
If you don't like the fucker, when you get your ass back in FFXI, don't fucking play with him and quit persecuting someone who really hasn't done anything to directly offend you.
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I'd also like to take this opportunity to highlight that you've been a bigger pain in the ass to the QCDN community as a whole than this subjobless RDM has ever been so far; and not many people have ridden your ass as hard as you're riding this guy's.
 
D: Your guns look smaller than caps in that picture D: D: D:

Maybe use some playdough to make em bigger :wink:

lol.
 
jyakotsu said:
D: Your guns look smaller than caps in that picture D: D: D:

Maybe use some playdough to make em bigger :wink:

lol.
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I'm flexing @ 90 degree angle, he's curled his arm in slightly more to try and outflex the Lec.

/sigh

Optical Illusions Jyaky Chan... Optical Illusions.
 
Lecreuset said:
I'm flexing @ 90 degree angle, he's curled his arm in slightly more to try and outflex the Lec.

/sigh

Optical Illusions Jyaky Chan... Optical Illusions.
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lmao lmao uh huh.

I cant believe im lvling NIN, its at 42 atm lol.
 
Kiskie said:
>.>




<.<
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it's a latent effect, it only happens when he starts exping and when it starts getting good he'll hit on your ass to slow you down....but when you first meet him at camp he doesn't say anything.


I know I was pulling as a smn in CN yesterday ~_~;
 
I would of done the exact same thing as Tyrath. If absolutely no other healers were lfp with the proper sub jobs I would of given this guy a shot. Especially now since very few people Exp now compared to when this game was newer. I hear all too often that there is no one even partying at certain level ranges.

In regards to the person not performing their job well because they are dual boxing I disagree. I'm not sure about this person but if Tyrath says they were performing their job I believe him. In my social/sky shell we have someone who Triple boxes (?) all the time. Can he do better if he only controlled one character? Most likely. Does he do his job efficiently while controlling 3 characters? Hell yea he does. We once took out Kirin with 17 people and only 14 actual people there. The minis were a little messy but once we got them down Kirin was a joke. With the same person we had a merit party with only 4 people in a 6 man party and we peaked around 25k/hour. People who have been doing it a while can dual box efficiently.

Like some others have already said, if you frown upon this don't invite him. It's that simple.
 
Lecreuset said:
RDMs only need /WHM to reach xp/meripo capabilities and I'd like to know where /BLM is used for main healing.
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Not main healing but Elemental seal can be a godsend when a sleep is needed or a enfebble that just wont stick. Ditto for Divine seal on whm sub.

Lecreuset said:
If he's bringing a WHM75, party isn't missing too much aside Erase, Bar -ra spells, Self Reraise, Curaga and some other piddly spells. He can single-target cast a higher level protect and shell with his RDM anyway, or use the WHM for that.
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Plus the added feature if a dual boxer goes afk at a critical moment you lose not one but two people at once.

Lecreuset said:
I think your pompous attitude in regard to the matter is more of a kick in the teeth to most of us who're taking a more peaceful "love it or leave it"-stance.
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My pompous attitude my dear Lec is nothing compaired to your apathetic stance on this. In your view as long as partys get fast easy exp and its not gained by a solid team but a PL thats all fine and dandy. Guess what this happens way too much.

This case aside I see many whm's out of a job in the dunes cause the party opted for an extra DD with a PL in tow, seeking as a mage has become a chore now as partys want faster exp and cant depend on a mage their level to support the team. So they get PL's in and any mages that are seeking their level can forget about partying.

Oh and Lec you're a cool guy but please try to get all your comments in one post at a time. :)
 
Jeska said:
This case aside I see many whm's out of a job in the dunes cause the party opted for an extra DD with a PL in tow, seeking as a mage has become a chore now as partys want faster exp and cant depend on a mage their level to support the team. So they get PL's in and any mages that are seeking their level can forget about partying.
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okay? this would have been a good point if the guy who was invited was a tank or something, and got a PL so his group wouldn't need a mage.

fortunately, he was invited to heal. the same thing that could be accomplished by a PL. he brought one, because obviously he realized his shortcomings and wanted to help fix that. he did. what's the problem here?

I guess I would be a little angry too if a group wanted a DD rather than a mage because they have a PL, but this guy was already in for healing. if he had left, they would have had to look for a healer
 
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