Fffffuuucccccc****** Mmmmmeeeee BANNED -.-

You`ve been in jail too many times, bro. lol ._. I`m not really surprised... maybe you`ll just have to stick to RO ; _ ;
 
The problem with RMT in general has to do with what is called copyright law. The same applies to bot programs used extensively and secretly in this game. I've reported both RMT players and botters to both GMs and the PlayOnline email on their support page many times. I have also reported websites like www.ffxiapp.com and four other websites to PlayOnline asking them [SquareEnix] to do something about it. In the two plus years I have done this, nothing has been done to stop them or significantly lower the amount of cheaters and RMT players in this game. It's as if SquareEnix has done very little about it. The thousands of players they've banned, the adjustments to the delivery box, the taxes to Auction House and Bazaars, and the adjustments to drop rates and pop times of NMs and HNMs have done so very little to discourage or eliminate RMT and botters alike. Although SE listens, or supposedly does, to our complaints, it just seems that we are not getting through to them in the nearly four years this game has been out.

Of all the emails and GM calls I've done, I have recieved only one email regarding RMT players through PlayOnline email. It's where I learned about the situation with copyright law is causing the headaches with their legal department in SE. They told me that "their legal department is handling it."

I'll explain.

The code to this software and the PlayOnline software and service plus other softwares using this service-- are protected under US and foreign copyright and trademark laws and international treaties as stated in the FFXI Software License Agreement, Article 2, Section 2 of the manual. It is also the ownership of SEUI-- Square Enix USA, Inc. However, in Japan, as stated on Wikipedia.com, it states that "Japanese copyright law protects all works 'in which thoughts or sentiments are expressed in a creative way, and which falls within the literary, scientific, artistic or musical domain'. Software is not covered and is considered an exception. In other words, "software can be reproduced for personal use." The game, FFXI, and the software PlayOnline and its services originated from Japan, but are under no protection by the Japanese government. They are, however, protected under foreign laws from the United States to Europe and to China, itself.

However, outside of Japan, that is where this question arise:
Who owns the armors, weapons, items, Gil, and characters? The player or the company, Square Enix?

The manual is not entirely clear. It only states that sole ownership is that of SEUI, Square Enix USA, Inc. It has no mention of the parent company, Square Enix in Japan. We are given limited rights to use these items, Gil, armors, weapons, and characters-- to a certain extent. We are not allowed to sell or modify them. The whole catch to this is this: copyright law does not cover virtual items that can be so easily transferred, bought and sold from one player to another.

Copyright laws protect the software and the service that runs with the software. The virtual items within are not mentioned under any copyright law if you look and read them-- US, Europe, and even China. With no clear ownership of virtual items in an MMORPG, it is therefore assumed we, as players, have the right to ownership to those virtually created items.

This applies to botters and cheaters in this game. The ones who make the program for a bot that allow cheaters do what they want in this game are making programs that make no modification to the original code. The original software code is the ownership of Square Enix. But, since FFXI is not an open source software and there are no modifications to the original code itself by these bot programs, websites like www.ffxiapp.com continue to operate-- at the detriment of other players.

With all this, that means one thing: SquareEnix has no legal right or any possible way to take legal action against RMT players and programmers of and players using bot programs. This is why the one who replied to me told me that "their legal department is handling it."

It therefore comes to the responsibility of the company, Square Enix, to handle this situation themselves. With no legal way to stop RMT and bot programmers, SE has to do everything they can to prevent or even significantly lessen the use of RMT and botting in this game. However, the last actions done by SE in past updates have done more harm to honest players than to the dishonest ones. The most that SE can do is to enforce their end of the license agreement-- which they have so weakly done.

SE should make more items Rare/Ex or Ex-Only.
SE should make more NMs and even HNMs either forced pop, instanced, or BC-ed.
SE should take a much more active role in enforcing their end of the license agreement instead of acting with a laissez-faire attitude.
SE should improvise their GM system-- either improve it or replace it altogether with a better system.
SE should listen to the players' complaints more thoroughly and diligently in every email and GM call.
SE should think and act more intelligently and actively when a player such as RMT act in a very suspicious manner towards others.

SE has failed to do their part on their end by not following many of those things above.

However, SE shouldn't be the only ones held accountable as well. The players in this game also have the moral responsibility in this.
We, as players, should not give in to the temptations of buying and selling Gil and characters on sites like eBay and IGE.
We should not give in to the lure of using bot programs and other softwares that give us an advantage over other players, in a manner that causes a detrimental factor towards or against another player or group of players.

The players who dishonestly act and play in this game have failed the honest players in this game. They have caused us more grief and harm in the four years this game has been out. They have done nothing more than to indirectly promote the idea of Gil and character buying and selling. They have considered and lowered themselves to the point that taking the easy way out is better by the use of bot and cheat programs. They have done all this to honest players like myself and thousands of other players in this game.

With both failing factors, by Square Enix and the dishonest players, in this game, nothing will be done at all to stop RMT and cheaters alike. We can't do anything, or much of anything except complain to our heart's contents. If you want someone to blame and point a finger at, don't point at Square Enix alone, point it at the following players:
- the RMT players that managed to kill a big name HNM (like what happened to Tiamat on Carbuncle server)
- the players who buy Gil from eBay and IGE and use it to dishonestly and unsympathetically raise prices on the server (as what happened last Christmas)
- the players who have sold their characters online on eBay and sites like IGE (those who have quit the game)
- the RMT players monopolizing NMs and HNMs (like with DragonGroup LS on Bismarck at Behemoth and Ullikummi)
- the players who use bot programs to cheat and find the easy way out in this game (like with two LSes on Bismarck and many other HNMLSes on other servers)
- the players who hacked another person's account to sell their Gil and gear and character(s) for real life money

Blame them along with Square Enix, laugh and scream at them, because both have totally ruined this game with their irresponsibility and ignorance. Since copyright laws can't protect the virtual items and Square Enix can't do anything about it, there is very little that can be done now that can stop both RMT players and cheaters in this game. The last resort and option that hasn't been considered yet is going door-to-door to every RMT player and cheater in this game and kill them in cold-blood and commit first degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.

Of course, we're a much civilized society and wouldn't lower ourselves to do that, right?

I hope so.

The best thing we can do now is just complain to Square Enix and hope that they change their ways. At the same time, tell our friends and our fellow players not to give in to the temptation of acquiring a virtual item with real money, and vice versa. At the same time, don't lower yourself to use a bot program, even just to level Summoning Magic or a fish bot to get that Lu Shang's Rod or that warp-voke-bot program to get that Nue fang (as what happened on Bismarck server posted in the Bismarck forum). Don't take the easy way out. Don't join the linkshell that bots at every HNM camp so their LS members get every known endgame gear imaginable (as what happened with one LS on Bismarck). Don't encourage them. All we're doing is making it worse for other players.

If we can't do any of this, we have to either suck it up or quit the game.

Unfortunately, many of us have already done the latter.
took this off ki board enjoy
 
They can detect cheats now?

naaaaaaahhhhhhh

They still rely on people reporting eachother, then examining the logs of your characters movement to determine whether you were cheating (and thus whether you're in line for a nice, swift, banning.)

Still sucks you got banned GP :(
 
http://www.playonline.com/ff11eu/polnews/news8487.shtml

Playonline.com said:
Today, a number of accounts which were confirmed to have violated the user agreement by using unauthorized third-party software tools within FINAL FANTASY XI to enable abnormal in-game movement were discovered and have been suspended or permanently terminated.

Based on the results of an investigation, over 1,400 PlayOnline accounts have been either suspended or terminated on Auggust 30, 2006 for the malicious and intentional use of these third-party tools.

We would like to take this time to remind our players that the use of any third-party tools will not only destroy the in-game balance, but will also encourage RMT (real money trading) activities. We will continue to take strict actions against those individuals that we have confirmed to have used such tools.

Please note that some of these third-party tools may cause character information to be altered, erased, or personal information to be leaked to unwanted third parties. If you come across a third-party tool over the Internet, we ask that you please refrain from the download of such a tool, no matter how minor it may appear to be.

To ensure our customers could enjoy the game safely, we will continue to apply measurements to combat these third-party tools and violations.

We thank you for your cooperation and understanding in this matter.
 
hellstorm said:
took this off ki board enjoy

That may be so, but "Gil" is still a copyrighted term. And just because Gil Selling webpages GIVE Square-Enix credit for it, doesn't mean Square-Enix GAVE them permission to use it.
 
Skaw said:
That may be so, but "Gil" is still a copyrighted term. And just because Gil Selling webpages GIVE Square-Enix credit for it, doesn't mean Square-Enix GAVE them permission to use it.

Theyre not selling the gil, theyre selling the time and effort they spent acquiring it.
 
Galaika said:
Theyre not selling the gil, theyre selling the time and effort they spent acquiring it.

Yes, but they have "gil" plastered all over their pages. Also they use "Final Fantasy XI," so regardless of that, they're using copyrighted terms without expressed permission. Granted, any fan sight is doing so as well, but it's really up to Square-Enix to pursue thier legal rights.
 
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Wow.. I just now put Kyle = GP together. :O Hey bro, maybe I'll see you on the other side. *hugs* Take it easy. Krono, do your linkshell a favor and stop posting. Every time you post god kills a kitten.

And your desk top is soo cute! Am I the only one that had to look over your desk top several times to find mrargus? ~.^
 
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Kyle said:
Yeah I stopped using it after the last banning, but I think they just had to go through more records or something. Whenever I used it, I never got the Failure to enter zone message either, knew there had to be some way to detect so I'd never flee that fast. I'd only turn it up to 2-3% or so in case anyone was watching when i didn't have flee or mazurka going.

Maybe I could've avoided the banning if I claimed I was RMT?:crazy:

Did they ever give you a 72hr suspension, before hand?

If not, that's pretty nuts if they can just skim through records to find that out.
 
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Galaika said:
Theyre not selling the gil, theyre selling the time and effort they spent acquiring it.
And prostitutes don't sell sex, they sell the time and effort to coerce them into sleeping with you. As far as a legal issue, it's along the same lines as selling Chukie Cheese tokens. It may be against some minor law, but the US or Japan won't set up some elaborate sting operation to bring some Chinese company to justice over it.
 
Always happy to see a cheater go.
 
Dowzer said:
Did they ever give you a 72hr suspension, before hand?

If not, that's pretty nuts if they can just skim through records to find that out.

Got sent to jail a bunch for harrassing/MPKing RMT, and one of em resulted in a 72 hr ban cause of the previous offenses. Think I got the 72 hour ban harassing Pyoih in Castle O.
 
Kyle said:
Got sent to jail a bunch for harrassing/MPKing RMT, and one of em resulted in a 72 hr ban cause of the previous offenses. Think I got the 72 hour ban harassing Pyoih in Castle O.

Hrm, none for flee hacking?
 
What's this topic about? I'm too busy fapping to the desktop screenshot.
 
Looks like veb and py from castle O got ban to =D
 
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