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Lots of people enjoy soloing in korroloka tunnel and Japanese partys use that area as a alternative to the dunes, having all mobs swiped by a smn burn group is just plain monopolising a zone.
 
Jeska said:
Lots of people enjoy soloing in korroloka tunnel and Japanese partys use that area as a alternative to the dunes, having all mobs swiped by a smn burn group is just plain monopolising a zone.
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Its only considered monopolizing if there are OTHER PTs there wanting to EXP. If there isn't then its not against the rules since it's not inconveniencing anybody.
 
Hexx said:
Where they take about 4 SMNs and level sync to a specific level, then have a 75 RDM or PLD pull mobs and link them into one big mass, then have said SMNs all Astral Flow and kill said group of mobs for massive amounts of exp.
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Wait how does that work? The 75 PLD or RDM is still in party and they get a crap load of exp? Doesn't their experience scale based upon the highest level in group? Or are they technically claiming the ones that are linked to the main mob?

I mean the concept sounds cool as hell for a quick group/power level.
 
Hexx said:
Its only considered monopolizing if there are OTHER PTs there wanting to EXP. If there isn't then its not against the rules since it's not inconveniencing anybody.
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Who's to say other partys (or players) are considering a nice evenings exp there and they get put off by this smn burn fest, the fact it is going on is basically saying that this zone and all its mobs are taken.
 
romperstomper said:
Wait how does that work? The 75 PLD or RDM is still in party and they get a crap load of exp? Doesn't their experience scale based upon the highest level in group? Or are they technically claiming the ones that are linked to the main mob?

I mean the concept sounds cool as hell for a quick group/power level.
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No, the puller is not in the PT, he/she just gathers the mobs and brings them to the SMNs to kill. Whatever mobs the puller actually pulled (be it with magic or JA's) of course dont get killed or dont count for exp, but all the linked mobs do. Usually the puller does the pulling with the promise of getting a leech spot in the next burn so on and so forth.
 
Jeska said:
Who's to say other partys (or players) are considering a nice evenings exp there and they get put off by this smn burn fest, the fact it is going on is basically saying that this zone and all its mobs are taken.
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True, but again, that's what the GM's are for. Granted they dont ALWAYS help, but having helped organize a SMN burn or two, there tends to be a friendly agreement that once the burn is done, the people doing the burning will leave and let others take the spot.
 
First rule of Smn burn. WE DON'T TALK ABOUT SMN BURN.
 
Myrrh said:
First rule of Smn burn. WE DON'T TALK ABOUT SMN BURN.
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This, mostly. When people talk about it, it gets posts like Keryan's about people trying to blackmail people in a video game.

Beyond that, and to address Jeska's post about how illegit it is...

I actually GM'd myself for a burn the other night. I said that hindsight, being 20/20, made me wonder if I was unintentionally breaking ToS. The GM assured me that, as of that moment, "Summoner Burns" are not against any terms of service. They then told me to pay attention to playonline's frontpage to see any changes to ToS.

Also, re: Soloers: The times I've been there and seen people soloing mobs, its almost always worms. Can't pull worms in a Smn burn because of their perma-bound nature. Soloers are unaffected as long as they're fighting worms. Granted, if someone's soloing bats there, it would inconvenience them, but then again you can solo Qufim worms much easier.
 
Keryan said:
Then goes on to say his friend was coming to Diaga our mobs if we do not pay said friend 100k
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That little shit needs to get smacked around. All the time it takes to train all those mobs he could be beating the piss out of a bee for a chip and honey >.>
 
They can't exp the real way so they have to go around with blackmail? What a douche.
 
SE contradict themselves with their ToS, hence why they can't do anything about SMN burns. They say you are not allowed to monopolize monsters, which by anyone's definition of monopolization is what a SMN burn is; yet when you GM someone for, oh, I don't know, "HEY MISTER GM, THERE'S A 75 THF KILLING EVERYTHING IN EAST SARUTABARUTA AND I CAN'T GET MY DNC7 ANY EXP", your response is something along the lines of "They're not doing anything wrong, they're as entitled to kill the monsters as you are, they could be looking for some treasure."

No, I didn't make this up, it is from a previous GM conversation I have had.

Do I think SMN burns are bad? No; I have never been in one myself, but I don't see anything wrong with massive exp in a short space of time.

Do I think SE are trying their very hardest to figure out a way to make SMN burns against the ToS without contradicting themselves? Yuuuuup. Will they manage it? Probably not.
 
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I'll reiterate what the GM told me: It isn't against the ToS /right now/. I'm betting they change it eventually.

As for monopolizing a mob, I think it would have to be contested in order for it to be disputed. I'll give an example because I didn't word that well and its late:

A summoner burn party in qufim island would consist of pugils, gigas crabs and bats. An experience party would consist of pufils, gigas, crabs and bats. Therefor, since more than one group is attempting to pull those monsters, the summoners would indeed be monopolizing a zone.

In Korroloka tunnel, or better, the Maze of Shakrami, the pulls consist of leeches, spiders bats and gigas (or leeches, crawlers and bats and I think goblins for the Maze.) No one parties in those zones, and if they do, they move from worm to worm. Since the mobs being pulled by the summoners aren't being claimed by anyone else, ever (just about) its not really a monopoly. Technically.

That said, both opinions are correct, and its arguing semantics to try and prove one way or the other.

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Now someone needs to pull up the definition of "monopoly" and prove me wrong entirely.
 
Seriously, stop fucking talking about Smn burn. All you're doing is opening up MORE people to a already crowded event. Shut the fuck up already.
 
Kery,
Sucks that someone has to stoop that low to get exp and/or gil.

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My opinion on SMN burns is: lvl 75 job with lvl 12 skills and ppl not having a clue how to do their job? Thanks for the offer but I'll have to pass.
 
I have a level 10 Cor if anyone wants to smn burn tomorow :)
 
I pted with this guy once, we were talking about leveling sj. and he said "I never level sub jobs my friend just smn burns me through the levels" I assume its the same guy. He was a bit of a whiney bitch cause our pt was pulling kinda slow, wasnt the greatest pt but meh, it was xp. but it was a waahhh we only getting 6.5k an hour I have windower so i know we should get 12k an hour.
 
Myrrh said:
Seriously, stop fucking talking about Smn burn. All you're doing is opening up MORE people to a already crowded event. Shut the fuck up already.
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You aren't going to get sympathy lol.
 
I did GM him and asked them to look back in logs of the zone to see if people have been blackmailing. Also it takes like 30 minutes to gather enough mobs. It is no where near even all the mobs, so there are more than enough for people to exp on. It was more tha blackmail part that pissed me off. I was told there are about 5 zones SE has oked for smn burns.
 
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