Final Fantasy 7

[Valoran]

FFVI was decent but it just felt unreal how things moved along.. didn't feel, to me, to be as smooth as some other things. Though, SE has been getting better and better at that.

I think the disjointedness made it feel much more real. The fact that characters found themselves separated, loosely bound, or thrown together by circumstance more than design was really interesting. Also, there was a lot more you had to figure out for yourself in terms of where to go next . . . learning to trust your instincts (or which instincts to trust) was part of the fun. Kefka really was a true villain, too. Not an unloved pansy like Kuja (although I love IX); someone truly wicked.

I also thought the "job" change from V was a good one; give each character their own abilities as opposed to 25 jobs that anyone can master. Frankly, there are things I couldn't master in life, and it makes sense to me that Sabin isn't going to be out there doing mog dances after training for years to be a monk.

I also liked X. It's been accused of shifting its target to a younger audience with its teen protagonists just trying to live for themselves but caught up in things beyond their control, but the interplay between past and present is done as well as any Ibsen play.

X-2 gets blasted enough without me calling it crap. If you think Yuna should be the girl of any man's dreams, well, that's what you think, and why shouldn't you help her through her silly girlish adventures?

 

[Tyrath]

FFX and FFX-2 are by far the worst out of the series, just doesnt feel like final fantasy

FFX-2 maybe, but FFX fits right in

 

[Uzor]

I love all FF games VI to XII <.<;

Only ones before that I've played was the JP (translated) I, II and III ones at www.everyvideogame.com but honestly, I didn't like them that much.

 

[Pasquale]

FFX and FFX-2 are by far the worst out of the series, just doesnt feel like final fantasy

They are a little different, but I wouldn't say 'worst.' For ffX anyways. I liked X-2, but for sheer broken-ness of the game I would put in kinda low.

8 was my favorite (though it took a while to get into), followed by 6 and 1. 7 was really good too, I'd say tied for third with FF1.

9 was actually the first one I ever beat, but I didn't really care for it. The story was ok, but I didn't like the characters very much.

-edit to make this on topic-
I think everyone who likes FF anythign will like 7. You should definatly give it a go. If anything, you'll appreciate Advent Children more.

 

[Tyrath]

FFXI is the only FF I don't like. It stole my soul when I played it

 

[Elemmire]

FFXI, while challenging at places, was more of a horrible grind than a good game D: with far too many asshat NPCs

 

[mdkuser]

there have been releases of all the FF on PSone ( and some on gameboy) recently, like 3 years ago, except for FF3, which is released this month on the nintendo portable i think. If you want to try 1-6 , which are all awsomely good as well, buy them, or just download emulations on GBadvance and PS1 (its legal here as long as you keep it less than 24h).

 

[Rorion]

FFVII 4TW​

 

[Skaw]

FFXI, while challenging at places, was more of a horrible grind than a good game D: with far too many asshat NPCs

Because, you know, leveling up in a console RPG isn't a grind either. Drink some bleach all ready. We know you don't like the game anymore, you don't have to fucking make jabs at it whenever you feel like, idiot.

 

[Elemmire]

I don't like any MMO really.. cause most of it is grinds.. and no.. I never really had to "grind" in any single player game unless I was doing something unnecessary like.. oh.. getting aeris to level 4 limit before she dies and getting all of the characters to limit level 3 with their second limit in that level before she dies (Yuffie and Red XIII being the other two that can get to level 4 before Temple of The Ancients ). But no.. if I play a single player RPG I can go through the game and not have to go off to the side to level for it. Random encounters along the way of the story are enough to keep me leveled usually since I don't run away from any battle. I have yet to play an RPG single player where I didn't need to go off to the side and grind for hours or days or weeks or months even like FFXI (or other MMOs) just so I can progress the story.

 

[Skaw]

You've obviously played some watered down games, and really makes me question your posts about FF4 and 6, because you had to do side leveling in those games. 4 more than any other. Jesus Christ Big Bang what the fuck. Without leveling on the side, FF4 is impossible. Unless you happen to run in to random battles almost every step in the game.

 

[Tyrath]

Umm...yeah...offline FF grind isn't really bad at all...Doesnt take nearly as long to level in any offline RPG as it does in any MMO.

I have yet to play an RPG single player where I didn't need to go off to the side and grind for hours or days or weeks or months even like FFXI (or other MMOs)

If you experience the bolded part in an offline game, then I don't really know what to tell you.

Edit: Thats not directed to you ele.

 

[Skaw]

Umm...yeah...offline FF grind isn't really bad at all...Doesnt take nearly as long to level in any offline RPG as it does in any MMO.



If you experience the bolded part in an offline game, then I don't really know what to tell you.

If you're saying that grinding for hours is unheard of in a console game, ween yourself off the babyfied garbage RPGs of today and pick up some of the classic Dragon Quest games. I don't mean hours in one sitting through, but several hours for each play through.

And the reason why grinding in single player RPGs isn't as bad as MMO, is because they already made their 50-60 bucks off you, theres no more money at stake. But to say it doesn't exist in the slightest form to take hours through each game play to level up to beat some bosses, you've gotta be kidding. Days or Weeks I'll give you, but hours? Come on.

Then again, FFXI has one of the weakest grinds in the MMO Market. Saying it's god awfully horrible shows you've never played classic EverQuest, or any other MMO outside of WoW and FFXI. I mean honestly, if you consider killing a quarter of a level per hour a "horrible grind," quit playing MMOs now, because your future is bleak if you pick up a game that has an ACTUAL grind.

 

[Acutie]

DQ1 was nuts.

 

[Tyrath]

If you're saying that grinding for hours is unheard of in a console game, ween yourself off the babyfied garbage RPGs of today and pick up some of the classic Dragon Quest games. I don't mean hours in one sitting through, but several hours for each play through.

And the reason why grinding in single player RPGs isn't as bad as MMO, is because they already made their 50-60 bucks off you, theres no more money at stake. But to say it doesn't exist in the slightest form to take hours through each game play to level up to beat some bosses, you've gotta be kidding. Days or Weeks I'll give you, but hours? Come on.

Then again, FFXI has one of the weakest grinds in the MMO Market. Saying it's god awfully horrible shows you've never played classic EverQuest, or any other MMO outside of WoW and FFXI. I mean honestly, if you consider killing a quarter of a level per hour a "horrible grind," quit playing MMOs now, because your future is bleak if you pick up a game that has an ACTUAL grind.

Yeah I've spent 150 hrs on FFX...about 120 and havent beaten DQ7. Days and weeks and months of grinding is really what i was talking about..was just building upon each as it really is weeks and months of grinding in FFXI and not just hours....So no, I wasn't saying "grinding for hours is unheard of in a console game"

As for MMOs, yeah, FFXI was my first and last MMO ever. FFXI was bad enough, hourwise. This is why I think all MMOs suck.

 

[Skaw]

the "quit playing mmos now" wasn't really directed at you per se, Tyrath, but all people who think FFXI has the worst EXP grind around.

And yeah, Acute, DQ1 was crazy if you didn't do enough side leveling.

 

[Elemmire]

Actually, I didn't really have to level grind too much in FF6, now and then, true, but maybe an hour or so of good grinding at most. Console games also have usually much more in the fights.. at least as I've noticed, but controlling more people takes a bit more.. and usually fighting multiple enemies in stead of just one at a time. Granted in FFXI sometimes you could take 2 or 3 (maybe) but that seemed to exhaust you so much you needed a good bit of down time to cover. I don't mind spending time to grind every now and then, at times it was fun, MMOs can make a grind fun if you've got a fun group of people to level with..sadly.. FFXI was grind to the extreme (compared to EQ, WoW, and other MMOs I've played) and usually ended up not enjoying leveling as much as I would have liked. That being said, FFXI's other features made it quiet enjoyable. BCNMs, ENMs, Assault, Missions, some of the quests, HNMs (if you could get claim >.> even if not.. if you've got a relaxed LS it can be fun for most of the time other than SPAM SPAM SPAM time), crafting, etc.

FFXII is what I'm looking forward to in terms of fights.. even grinding might not be so bad since you can do a lot more than just control one character if you choose.

 

[Mishaela]

Jesus Christ Big Bang what the fuck.

Tempted to put that in my sig just because it sounds so awesomely funny. XD

And nah, FFXI isn't the worst grind around. Any Korean MMO (RO, Flyff, Trickster) EASILY stomps on FF's grind system. Though I do agree with Ele on FFXI...the game's virtually emo. There's nearly no bright and shiny, happy-looking areas or monsters...it's all dark and lumbering. Not to mention all the NPCs -ARE- total buttholes. Like the only nice ones (Lion and Fickie), well...you know what happens to them.

DQ1 was nuts.

Yeah, killing metal slimes for 1/2 the needed levels to stand a remote chance vs. the dragon lord was a bit much...

 

[Tiael]

Leveling up to 99 off Metal King Slimes in DQVIII was great too, plus going thru the post game and getting multiple skill seeds as a rare as hell drop to max all skills ;;

 

[Tyrath]

Leveling up to 99 off Metal King Slimes in DQVIII was great too, plus going thru the post game and getting multiple skill seeds as a rare as hell drop to max all skills ;;

Yeah I never went past like 70 in that >.>