'Final Fantasy should come to Xbox 360', says Sakaguchi

[Strid]

I'm sure Phil Harrison knows what's up.

Go back and note the "To you" in the sentence. I know they know what is up, you said they wouldn't.

It's relevant because you're basing a likely port based on that comment... and as a general rule I don't see Sony running around declaring anything exclusive, even their first and second party games that are obviously going nowhere. I don't see Nintendo doing that shit either.

Top right hand corner of the box: http://cgi.ebay.com/N64-Mario-Party...ryZ27193QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting Nintendo does it a lot.

You're right here though, but I have no idea what it matters to our topic, Sony usually doesn't mark their box. However, on the Xbox side, how many times have they turned around and let he game get cross-platform on them? Keep in mind, porting to the PC after a long while is most definatly different.

How many copies do you think they need to sell to make profit? How many of the PS3 owners now do you think aren't looking to buy ff13?

Here is the problem though, based on the amount of PS3's in peoples homes, Sony isn't even making a profit so how in the world are we to expect game developers to make a profit? That's actually one of the main concerns of developers when thinking of going PS3. Now, granted sony does pay SE the exclusive fees, where does that put Sony if the game fails to sell enough systems? It puts them deeper in the whole than they already are and quite possibly lower than the PSP can bring them up, again. Sony is also in a delimma here. If they fail here, it could be the end of their consoles or a long rode to picking up the pieces for the next try.

Something else to consider about PS3 sales with MGS4 and FF13 and it's a really big deal, imo, is being able to rent the systems from places. There is a little rental store accross the road here that rents out PS3's for $10 bucks a day. You need a credit card that $600 can be automatically retained out of but that's easy to get. Blockbuster, Hollywood video, and Movie Gallery, all do this as well. So you really don't need to go out and purchase the system to enjoy the limited, huge exclusives. This will most definatly hurt Sony until they get some more going in their pot.

 

[Firestreak]

If the core unit does, in fact, drop to $399.99, you're right, it may sell a few consoles. With it at $600+, it has already sold to most of the FF and MGS fans out there. Of course there will be a few spares but I highly doubt notible numbers. However, I don't see the core dropping to $399.99. Hell, they're already out millions from the system alone to make it cheaper would be, crazy. Now, if they found a cheaper way to produce them, all of a sudden, that would be neat but whoops, how convinient after they already fucked you guys who spent a fortune. Sony shits on their supporters yet again. Do you not see how they play you just as much as you play their products?

Why would I feel shitted on if they had an eventual price drop. I never thought for a moment when I paid 600 it'd be the price forever.

I'd feel more shit on if I bought a premium system only to have an even better system come out.

The PS3 is going to need a hell of a lot more games than even listed as comming out to get out of its hole. It needed the exclusives it lost. It's going to be interesting to see exactly how they play themselves out of the whole. With the 360 carrying more exclusives than the PS3 even has releases, any sane not over the top person would choose the 360. It's like choosing between a PS1 and a Dreamcast back in the day. One is iffy and the other, while older, is solid. However, that's just my thoughts. We'll just have to sit back and watch.

You'll have to explain a bit better about your xbox exclusive arguments against playstation releases. You talking... exclusives released for the xbox already versus releases for ps3 already or you talking about announced games? Cause you're either wasting time by stating the obvious with a system that's been out over 3 times as long or saying bullshit... so which is it?

 

[Firestreak]

Something else to consider about PS3 sales with MGS4 and FF13 and it's a really big deal, imo, is being able to rent the systems from places. There is a little rental store accross the road here that rents out PS3's for $10 bucks a day. You need a credit card that $600 can be automatically retained out of but that's easy to get. Blockbuster, Hollywood video, and Movie Gallery, all do this as well. So you really don't need to go out and purchase the system to enjoy the limited, huge exclusives. This will most definatly hurt Sony until they get some more going in their pot.

Honestly, this is stretching it. It's a logical way to get around an exclusive but you can say that about any exclusives on any system. I could say Jrpg fans should buy a PS3 and just rent an Xbox to play mistwalker games and therefore Microsoft has made no progress by supporting Mistwalker. If this is where the conversation is headed, I think you need to take a little time off from this argument and let a few things sink in.

 

[Strid]

Why would I feel shitted on if they had an eventual price drop. I never thought for a moment when I paid 600 it'd be the price forever.

I'd feel more shit on if I bought a premium system only to have an even better system come out.

Guess it's a thing of personal choice but when, not even a year later a company is like, "OMG doods we found hows to make chepar RAWR!" I'm going to call bullshit and be pissed that I dropped $600 for something that could have been delayed a few more months and saved well over $200. You may not, that's what makes the world go 'round, differences.

You'll have to explain a bit better about your xbox exclusive arguments against playstation releases. You talking... exclusives released for the xbox already versus releases for ps3 already or you talking about announced games? Cause you're either wasting time by stating the obvious with a system that's been out over 3 times as long or saying bullshit... so which is it?

Unfortunatly for the PS3, age doesn't matter here. Had the PS3 taken off on every level though, they'd be okay, but it didn't. Microsoft got the jump on top of the PS3 not being the hottest thing since the PS2. to answer your question though, I'm stating the obvious that seems to not be so obvious.

 

[Strid]

Honestly, this is stretching it. It's a logical way to get around an exclusive but you can say that about any exclusives on any system. I could say Jrpg fans should buy a PS3 and just rent an Xbox to play mistwalker games and therefore Microsoft has made no progress by supporting Mistwalker. If this is where the conversation is headed, I think you need to take a little time off from this argument and let a few things sink in.

Are you kidding? If I step away for a second you're back to thinking half the shit you pull out of the bunny hat is good stuff, I can't let that happen

Now onto the goods... it would be unlogical if the majority of gamers only played one genre. However, they do not. You have to weigh the cost and for this I'll use myself as an example. I figure, though I could be wrong, I'm your average gamer. I play all types of games despite my time being spent more on certain genres. I look at the Wii and I see Metroid, Pangya, Mario (x3), SSBB, and No More Heros to name a few (Hell, Nintendo has and will have more exclusive than anyone). I look at the 360 and I see Gears of War, Lost Planet, Blue dragon, Halo 3 (even though I'm not a big Halo fan I'll pick it up because everyone else will), and Crackdown to name a few. When I'm thinking PS3, I've got MGS4, FF13, and Heavenly Sword that looks viable. It would cost me less to go ahead and instead of renting a Wii and 360 to buy them and either rent the exclusives or buy them. The PS3 on the other hand, for me, is cheaper to just rent if I even felt like playing the games.

If that isn't a good enough example, because I used myself, I want to know this. Why should a "J"RPG fan buy a PS3 over the Xbox 360? Let's consider that the creator, the brains of FF, is now with a company backed by Microsoft studios and set to have, as of now, two 360 exclusives. These also aren't the only RPGs heading our way nor already on the shelf. The PS3, on the other hand, have a company that use to have the head "J"RPG man on their side (Keep in mind, he had a strong hand in pretty much everything good from them) and the only RPG I know of heading toward the PS3 anytime soon, or anytime for that matter, is FF13. I know of Lair but I don't know what the hell it is, honestly.

I think the biggest deciding factor here is what are the other RPG companies going to deem their main system of use? Atlus is steady, who will they pick? Or, will they pick both?

Keep in mind though, RPG's aren't really, as a whole, the big wigs in the game industry. Ever once in a while a series like FF will hit but they are far and few in between.

 

[Firestreak]

By the way, the biggest factor that will fuel PS3 price drops is the decreasing price to make a blu-ray drive. As of early 2007, blu-ray is an expensive feature for a console. As of 2008, it won't be and the 360's lack of it will start to show against it. they were already making multi-disc titles in 2006. Microsoft can't make games in HD DVD because too few of their customers bought the attachment and after HD DVD dies... none will.

 

[Firestreak]

The whole conversation is ridiculous in the first place... system rentals are not going to significantly affect PS3 sales.

 

[Strid]

By the way, the biggest factor that will fuel PS3 price drops is the decreasing price to make a blu-ray drive. As of early 2007, blu-ray is an expensive feature for a console. As of 2008, it won't be and the 360's lack of it will start to show against it. they were already making multi-disc titles in 2006. Microsoft can't make games in HD DVD because too few of their customers bought the attachment and after HD DVD dies... none will.

Just because Sony can put their games on Blu-ray disc will have nothing to do with any deciding factor what-so-ever. Multi-discing will probably still be a cheaper way of production than Blu-ray. Whenever I think of Sony and their new way to toss media at us I always remember Mini-Disc and how cool it was. Such a shame it didn't stick around. It was highly regarded, hyped, and all but man it sure made a loud thud.

I will state this again... Blu-ray will not have anything to do with the deciding factor in the console wars. Movies and movie players, maybe... console wars, no. Right now, a PS3 is a cheap way into getting a Blu-ray machine. However, when they decrease the PS3 price and make Blu-ray technology cheaper, they'll either have to stop making stand alone players or price them lower as well.

 

[Strid]

The whole conversation is ridiculous in the first place... system rentals are not going to significantly affect PS3 sales.

So, in a bigger picture. You're going to sit there and say if the PS3 keeps this very phase it's in up and the only change brought to it is MGS4 and FF, masses will go out and start lining up for PS3's? I don't think so. Being optimistic is okay but let's not rule out what could be even though you might not like it.

 

[Firestreak]

It appears to be Sony's plan to make the stand alone blu-ray players the same price as the PS3. To this end, people who absolutely aren't going to buy a game system will buy stand-alones, and that's better since they are a wasted install base. This isn't mere speculation by the way, it's a fact, they've already announced they're making a standalone blu-ray at PS3 price. I'm sure they'll drop the standalone player with the PS3's first drop(probably right before Gta4).

At that point the PS3 will not be able to stay as cheap as blu-ray players and they'll keep coming down. As blu-ray becomes more mainstream, gamers will be saying to themself... "buy a $200 dollar blu-player or PS3???"

Value is value.

And if printing up a blu-ray is cheaper than 3 DVDs.. it won't be for long. Not that the price of printing the disc is a significant factor.

 

[Firestreak]

So, in a bigger picture. You're going to sit there and say if the PS3 keeps this very phase it's in up and the only change brought to it is MGS4 and FF, masses will go out and start lining up for PS3's? I don't think so. Being optimistic is okay but let's not rule out what could be even though you might not like it.

MSG4, FF13, Littlebigplanet, white knight story, heavenly sword, blu ray movies...

These things add up. We all know third parties are going to be producing a ton of cross platform. The question is first and second party developers, and guess who has three times as many? There are going to be 200 PS3 games out by the end of the year... so don't worry, things will change.

And it's better for you Xbox owners anyway. You wouldn't want Microsoft leading like Sony did last generation... Microsoft without competition = bad for everyone.

 

[Marajade]

If the core unit does, in fact, drop to $399.99, you're right, it may sell a few consoles. With it at $600+, it has already sold to most of the FF and MGS fans out there. Of course there will be a few spares but I highly doubt notible numbers. However, I don't see the core dropping to $399.99. Hell, they're already out millions from the system alone to make it cheaper would be, crazy. Now, if they found a cheaper way to produce them, all of a sudden, that would be neat but whoops, how convinient after they already fucked you guys who spent a fortune. Sony shits on their supporters yet again. Do you not see how they play you just as much as you play their products?

The core unit is only $499 now. Dropping 100$ off the price wont be that hard by the time christmas comes around, because Blu-Ray is getting cheeper to produce by the month, and they've already cut the cost of the Cell chip by about 20%, and can reduce even further because of the software emulation instead of the chip.
i wouldnt be surprised to see the PS3 priced at 399 and 499 by next chritsmas.

And i'm quite satisfied with the game lineup so far. Of course i'm counting cross platform games as well, but last i checked, they still count as games on the lineup. The only time cross platform games dont count is when the person in question already owns the other console.

 

[Marajade]

Something else to consider about PS3 sales with MGS4 and FF13 and it's a really big deal, imo, is being able to rent the systems from places. There is a little rental store accross the road here that rents out PS3's for $10 bucks a day. You need a credit card that $600 can be automatically retained out of but that's easy to get. Blockbuster, Hollywood video, and Movie Gallery, all do this as well. So you really don't need to go out and purchase the system to enjoy the limited, huge exclusives. This will most definatly hurt Sony until they get some more going in their pot.

Honestly, In the time i've put into past MGS games, if its at least as entertaining as MGS3, I could buy one and half PS3s for how much it would cost me at 10$ a day, not counting the cost of renting the game itself. And FF Games? Not even close. I Still play the old FFs.

Gears of War is a much better game to use your idea for. I beat it up and down in two weeks when i borrowed my buddies console. Only thing i didnt get was all the "Play as Dom" and Multiplayer achievements, because he didnt have LiveGold so i couldnt play online.

Way cheeper than buying the console to play it. And since its about the only 360 game with any draw to me that i cant play on my PS3, well worth it for me.

 

[Strid]

The core unit is only $499 now. Dropping 100$ off the price wont be that hard by the time christmas comes around, because Blu-Ray is getting cheeper to produce by the month, and they've already cut the cost of the Cell chip by about 20%, and can reduce even further because of the software emulation instead of the chip.
i wouldnt be surprised to see the PS3 priced at 399 and 499 by next chritsmas.

It's still $599.99 here, everywhere. Online at Best-buy, Wal-Mart, Circuit City, and Gamestop (the only places I cared to check my info for online prices) it's still $599 as well.

And i'm quite satisfied with the game lineup so far. Of course i'm counting cross platform games as well, but last i checked, they still count as games on the lineup. The only time cross platform games dont count is when the person in question already owns the other console.

We were talking about exclusives and I made a corss-platform reference to compare certain numbers. Not sure if I did it correctly or not but that's what I was aiming for, anyway.

 

[Strid]

Honestly, In the time i've put into past MGS games, if its at least as entertaining as MGS3, I could buy one and half PS3s for how much it would cost me at 10$ a day, not counting the cost of renting the game itself. And FF Games? Not even close. I Still play the old FFs.

Hey, some people wont be able to live without eaither, I'm sure. I also am willing to bet, most of those people are your early PS3 adoptors. Like yourself they are hardcore to the bone and see these two games as end all be all, maybe a little over exaggerated but you get the point.

Gears of War is a much better game to use your idea for. I beat it up and down in two weeks when i borrowed my buddies console. Only thing i didnt get was all the "Play as Dom" and Multiplayer achievements, because he didnt have LiveGold so i couldnt play online.

Way cheeper than buying the console to play it. And since its about the only 360 game with any draw to me that i cant play on my PS3, well worth it for me.

Luckily for Microsoft you're a real oddity, a rare breed. There is no point in buying Gears though, unless you play it online.

 

[Marajade]

It's still $599.99 here, everywhere. Online at Best-buy, Wal-Mart, Circuit City, and Gamestop (the only places I cared to check my info for online prices) it's still $599 as well.

Core Unit, the 20GB model, the one people who buy it for the games get, is 499.
The 60GB, the one with WiFi, silver trim, and front card slots, is 599. The one the "hardcore" people buy.

 

[Skaw]

Unfortunantly there's much retardation built in to the PS3 "core" unit. Unupgradability = fucking fail. Anyone who buys one is an idiot.

 

[Marajade]

Unfortunantly there's much retardation built in to the PS3 "core" unit. Unupgradability = fucking fail. Anyone who buys one is an idiot.

All you loose is the 40GB of HD space, WiFi, and the front card slots. As i believe some people have been saying in the other thread "Its game console, who cares about the other stuff." The Core plays the games, without worrying about the "other stuff" and it still does the other stuff just fine. Also, I'll take no WiFi to no Ethernet jack any day.

 

[Firestreak]

Nothing with 4 usb slots is unupgradable.

 

[TheOsyris]

I was reading something a while back, maybe a month ago. Sony CEO said they don't plan on droping ps3 price for a long time. He compared it to ipod pricing. It has been like... 3 years since I got a nano for $200 and the thing has only droped $50 lol. I would say ps3 is staying $500 and $600 for 2 more years +. If not it would be great for later supporters.