Final Fantasy XI and what it was meant to be.

Bajaratt said:
So your "easier" method of obtaining money includes the use of MPK, stealing, trying to lag out your competition when they have the NM, botting and other 3rd party programs? The gil sellers that farm or the gil sellers that craft most people dont have a problem with, or at least I don't. That's obtaining money in a legitimate way and I couldn't care less how they spend it.

A lot of the hatred of gil sellers comes from their use of any and all unseemly tactics to get gil. If they just camped NM's and accepted it when someone else claimed, there wouldn't be many problems with them either. It's the fact that they break the rules and grieve everyone who manages to outclaim them that a lot of people don't like them.

You want to be friends with them, fine; no one's saying that you can't get along with them. At the same time, do not expect the people who have been MPK'ed by your friends to be cheering because you're camping with the gil sellers. Your reputation is important in this game, and being known for helping out the gil sellers, especially helping out in an MPK or steal, will effect how people view you.
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And please listen.. the Fly's and Peter DO NOT DO THIS! They camp NM's fairly and honestly.

FORGOTTENSHADOWS / REEDSKY are the evil fuckers that mpk steal etc.

Oh and 1/2 of all the HNM/God LS's try to steal from eachother... just visit any Bune pop with 6 LS's standing there hoping that the claiming pty has blockaid off.

It's like noone reads.. they all think that a few peopel I defend are the same as Cows, bettlylilly, etc.... I don;t care where their money goes... all I know is as soon as I clear a mil it seems I'm broke again, and you could never tell where it went.
 
MacMarz said:
And please listen.. the Fly's and Peter DO NOT DO THIS! They camp NM's fairly and honestly.

FORGOTTENSHADOWS / REEDSKY are the evil fuckers that mpk steal etc.

Oh and 1/2 of all the HNM/God LS's try to steal from eachother... just visit any Bune pop with 6 LS's standing there hoping that the claiming pty has blockaid off.

It's like noone reads.. they all think that a few peopel I defend are the same as Cows, bettlylilly, etc.... I don;t care where their money goes... all I know is as soon as I clear a mil it seems I'm broke again, and you could never tell where it went.
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Then I guess I just imagined them helping Leol and Creaativ's group mpk people at serket when they didn't claim. I don't care if they have cleaned up their act lately due to the bannings and such, but they still did it before. Also, your little friends stand right on top of us while we're fighting HNM's, lagging us out and I have no reason to believe they're not spamming claiming abilities to steal.

You're also missing the whole point of what I said. Almost everyone at the endgame has had to deal with these people before, and very very few have had positive experiences. You're wanting everyone to overcome all of their completely justified problems with gil sellers because now you're catching flak too? Ludicrous. You want to be friends with them, that's fine, just don't expect people to change how they feel about others because you're part of the group.
 
Some of you need to go back and read what i have written earlier in this thread.

Kyle said:
There will always be gil sellers and buyers in this game. That is something that will never change. Blaming gil buyers is a crappy excuse to justify working with gil sellers. You're just helping them sell more gil. If you can't beat em join em? Way to sell out. I'll treat you the way you deserve to be treated.
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Hello Kyle, It's already been proven that the Gil sellers are well and capable of taking down HNM on their own. To play with a Gil seller does not mean your helping them. When you play with a gil seller, less gil goes to RMT.

Players who play along side gil sellers are charitable in the "gil seller hater's" best interests.

IGE recieves less gil when regualr players party with gil sellers. Why can't anyone understand this ?
 
Anttaru said:
IGE recieves less gil when regualr players party with gil sellers. Why can't anyone understand this ?
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Becuase a cogent argument is wasted on the masses.

Remember, most of the people in game and on QCDN are ~13-19 (I would offer this as an asumption), and as such have little real world experience. That is not meant as a burn.. just the way it is. When someone writes a good argument.. if they don't agree with you they will just say you are "sucking RMT cock" or Shut the fuck up .. fuck yo couch.. or whatever.

As for myslef... I tend to get along with most people in this game.. but I am an arrogant SOB and will instigate a situation for entertainment or to make a point.

And Baj - I have NEVER seen the Fly's (not to beconfused with wantfly.. and ass) and peter MPK. And I'm sure you are spamming to claim a NM while another pty has it...... we all do.
 
MacMarz said:
And I'm sure you are spamming to claim a NM while another pty has it...... we all do.
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oh big fuck up here. no we dont, why? that's what we call STEALING!!! if there allience isn't dead you DONT take the monster!!

now you've fucked up, because that just makes you low man REAL LOW!!

 
lol we all know macmarz. we caught him sucking on Yusukes dick on that other flame.
 
MacMarz said:
And Baj - I have NEVER seen the Fly's (not to beconfused with wantfly.. and ass) and peter MPK. And I'm sure you are spamming to claim a NM while another pty has it...... we all do.
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Incorrect. Baj has never displayed any such actions at any HNM I've ever camped with him. You do not spam your claiming abilities on a HNM or NM unless they players holding claim are obviously wiping, because at that point, you compete with everyone else who didn't have claim.

Saying we all do is funny, considering you're playing on the side that is known for it...How many experiences do you have in the HNM world without gilsellers?
 
Sorry, I stand the fuck away from the people fighting so I don't create extra lag for them and I only try to claim when they're all dead. Plus, it helps me and my linkshell avoid any AoE attacks so if the people fighting do wipe, I'm not out of mp keeping them alive at the start of the fight.
 
Bajaratt said:
Sorry, I stand the fuck away from the people fighting so I don't create extra lag for them
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LOL not me sorry guys :/ i gotta get right up front and see the action for myself. i figure if i'm gonna die why not die in a spot with a great view ? :p
KB i stared him dead streat in his snout before i punted my taru ass to the ground lol. and froma taru FPV that dude is HUGE!!! i felt so powerfull standing infront of him :p even if it was only for a mere 5 seconds lolz
 
Bajaratt said:
Sorry, I stand the fuck away from the people fighting so I don't create extra lag for them and I only try to claim when they're all dead. Plus, it helps me and my linkshell avoid any AoE attacks so if the people fighting do wipe, I'm not out of mp keeping them alive at the start of the fight.
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Well I guess you are just better than me. I see everyone at lesser NM like Bune crowding the NM... all targeted right on him.

I guess I'm just an evil person.. you watch BoL and OH operate and I guess you learn how to be an ass. Whatever... Maybe I can turn into the most hated person since Colbwa... even without MPKing... so much to do..
 
Actually, MacMarz technically admitted to helping the gil sellers steal NM's from people. That basically negates any claims he had as to them being fine, upstanding players that don't do anything wrong and how just because he camps with them he doesn't necessarily advocate their immoral actions regarding making money.
 
Bajaratt said:
Actually, MacMarz technically admitted to helping the gil sellers steal NM's from people. That basically negates any claims he had as to them being fine, upstanding players that don't do anything wrong and how just because he camps with them he doesn't necessarily advocate their immoral actions regarding making money.
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I thought spamming voke stun etc was more gaining the mob when someone fucked up.... but anyways.. I've only done that when Redsky has had claim... but if it is staeling.. then it is wromg even towards them. Ya got me.
 
Only the people that camp with gilsellers are defending them. That's about as credible as that one time Watchyourstep said "You gotta go school bro, and stay clean. Hold up, man. Lemme take a hit off this shit."
 
Everyone ignored my reply concerning the current state of our economy so at this point I shall withdraw and allow the Jackels to continue feeding on one another. I hoped at least a few people would recognize blaming any one group of people for the state of our economy is pointless since plenty of games go through this exact same situation and manage to survive. The reactionary fervor of some people on our server drives me nuts but I suppose it's to be expected concerning CNN spends more time educating the youth of today than the schools do. If that didn't make any sense to you I'm sure you will assume the worst and continue to scream and shout regardless of my intentions. I'm sorry the narrow-minded bigots shout so much louder than everyone else today.
 
The point isn't about the economy and/or fixing it...It's about the intentions of those you are helping. You say helping them can't further F up the economy, but the ends you are helping them meet are wrong.
 
You camp HNMs or anything with gil sellers, you are increasing their chances of claiming and winning, thereby decreasing honest players chances of claiming, etc. You may think it hurts the gil sellers that you get a tiny chunk of what they make, but you're hurting honest players more by helping gil sellers out. And also it doesn't matter how nice gil sellers are or anything. They're just there to do their fucking job. I'm sure there were some very nice and friendly Nazi's during WWII, who were all just doing their jobs. Doesn't make it right.
 
Nub 1: hey hey hey how come u dun got SH+1 mannn
Nub 2: (Buys gillorz then buys SH+1) weeee weeeee i'm P I M P NOW I'm
P I M P.

ABove is the reason why there are gil sellers and always would be.
 
wolfskymoon said:
Nub 1: hey hey hey how come u dun got SH+1 mannn
Nub 2: (Buys gillorz then buys SH+1) weeee weeeee i'm P I M P NOW I'm
P I M P.

ABove is the reason why there are gil sellers and always would be.
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I think he got everyone there.
 
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