First Accessory in the “Final Fantasy XI Players' Collection” ! (08/18/2008)

Dowzer said:
RMT involves a third party. Squeenix could totally cut that middle man's grass by selling their own, but they're a bunch of bitches and make us grind.

And for those who don't grind...It used to be so easy to point out buyers.
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RMT is the exchange of real money for in-game items/money, who the exchange is with is irrelevant. Just almost no companies sell their own currency, so it's almost always with a third party company.

Falsey said:
no it wouldnt. you are buying a rl item, and as an added benefit they are rewarding you in game with something you can use probably once a week.
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That'd be the loophole in why it's not RMT, but the vast majority of the people who buy this would be getting it for the warp item. It's like selling a character on eBay, you're not "selling the character," you're selling the disc and manual; and as an added benefit, you get a leveled character with it.

I'm not saying this is actually RMT, just pointing out the irony in it.
 
Bajaratt said:
RMT is the exchange of real money for in-game items/money, who the exchange is with is irrelevant. Just almost no companies sell their own currency, so it's almost always with a third party company.
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No, it's not irrelevent. You are wrong.

A third party is required for the trade, whether if it's between two players, or between a player and companies like IGE or Ebay.

Based on your logic, we are all real money traders due to the monthly fee.
 
Nvm me...I responded after leaving the page open for a bit. Buncha new posts already covered what i said
 
Or a cap for attending an event.
 
Falsey said:
no it wouldnt. you are buying a rl item, and as an added benefit they are rewarding you in game with something you can use probably once a week.
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Yeah, NCSoft did this with Guild Wars and its Collectors Editions, and with Preorders. Those who bought each of those got a special item that couldn't be traded at all, but the items themselves didn't have any spectacular effect other than looking cool.
 
Dowzer said:
No, it's not irrelevent. You are wrong.

A third party is required for the trade, whether if it's between two players, or between a player and companies like IGE or Ebay.

Based on your logic, we are all real money traders due to the monthly fee.
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No, it's not. You're paying to play the game, that's called a subscription; you're paying for access to the game, not for them to just give you gear/gil.

Paying any additional money, which is not required just to play the game, for in-game items/gil is the definition of RMT. It doesn't matter who you're buying from, just very few companies allow the practice; but those that do, it's still RMT.

I can't believe you want to argue about a fucking observation of irony.
 
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It's an obvious money scheme. What's worse is I don't even see anything FF authentic about the item to where you could truly consider it a collector's item to make it warrent the price unless I missed it on the close-up picture. (I've been going through eye trouble so if I missed it, please forgive me.) Usually collector type items you wouldn't wear anyway, but I guess if you wanted to really show your FF pride you could. But, again, I dont even see an FFXI emblem on it. The item was obviously made in china for a few pennies on a dollar and they're reselling it for an obsene profit.

If they do this more than just occassionally, they'll turn into the next maple story or any other of those games that make the majority of their money via people buying in game stuff.
 
It's because I have played games who sold additional products through their subscriptions. Like Gunbound, which has currency that can only be purchased and isn't obtained in the game. In definition, you're purchasing their product, in theory, you're trading real money for it.

I would hate to have this definition mixed up. There's a big reason why. Point me in the correct direction if I'm wrong, but doesn't paying Tax have anything to do with this? If so, CGF are actually not paying any, and I believe it's becoming noticed by the Media.

That's why I was going off about the third parties.

And c'mon man, there's no need to get all bent out of shape.
 
Paying Tax has nothing to do with it. It's any exchange of money for a specific virtual item or currency, contractually legal or otherwise.
 
Dowzer said:
It's because I have played games who sold additional products through their subscriptions. Like Gunbound, which has currency that can only be purchased and isn't obtained in the game. In definition, you're purchasing their product, in theory, you're trading real money for it.
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And that's RMT as well, it's just sanctioned. The company who did Pangya did the same thing, it's still the exchange of real currency for online items; it's still not paying for access to the game, so it's RMT.

I would hate to have this definition mixed up. There's a big reason why. Point me in the correct direction if I'm wrong, but doesn't paying Tax have anything to do with this? If so, CGF are actually not paying any, and I believe it's becoming noticed by the Media.
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You're mixing up the definitions of subscription and RMT. Taxes are a factor for some online games, but that's mainly online poker and the like, not MMORPG's. Unless you're in that messed up country Uzor's from where they'll tax your earnings in an MMO.
 
Most games that sell stuff on the side are free monthly
 
Alrighty, I understand the definition. I was very uneasy about the third party involved. Buying from CGF churns my stomach, so I generalized buying from them as RMT. Buying from the actual company sounds much better, though it is the same in definition.

I do think it's ironic, I never had qualms about that opinion. Fan Fest raised my brow when they handed out in game items for those who attended, but this takes the cake.
 
Dowzer said:
I do think it's ironic, I never had qualms about that opinion. Fan Fest raised my brow when they handed out in game items for those who attended, but this takes the cake.
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Yeah, I was really annoyed about that. The money wasn't even an issue, I was just pissed that I would have to be in California to actually get the item.
 
People are talking like this is some ground-breaking item or something. It's a free warp every XX days. If you don't want it, don't buy it. It isn't giving anyone an advantage or anything. God. Everyone knows S-E isn't doing so well monetarily, let them do whatever the hell they want.
 
So why didn't the in game clock thingy that came with the Vanadiel Music CD cause this much drama?
 
The Harpsichord is pretty lame compared to how useful this item may be.
 
A company is allowed to sell its own material. Just picture this as downloadable content that's being paid for. If SE wanted to, they could started giving away Ridill's with $50 purchases, ofcourse this would anger the faithful fanbase but legally they have every right to.

I strongly doubt SE will ever have real life means to gain a powerful ingame item. So far the items (moogle rod, talisman) have had holiday-event style effects and are basically for decoration.
 
Dowzer said:
The Harpsichord is pretty lame compared to how useful this item may be.
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Oh sorry, I thought the problem was SE selling items....

I must have missed the point people were making
 
Courtney said:
Oh sorry, I thought the problem was SE selling items....

I must have missed the point people were making
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To be honest, I didn't know about it until you mentioned it. A search around found it on POL.
 
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