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Honestly I can't answer that, I'm not a member of the shell, I'm just going by here-say of current/past members.
 
I don't know the specifics, and am not a member of Kaizen, but if a member is in point debt from getting a high value item, they would still "owe time" to the LS and thus it could be called stealing. In certain instances a shell will give an item to a person who does not have enough points for it because it is known that the item will increase their performance noticably, and they have shown a dedication to the shell that makes others believe they will earn those points back quickly. While they are in point debt, they are unable to lot on anything, but when an item costs 80 points, and someone has 65, and the best job to make use of the item with no competetors present, they will be given the item and fall into point debt.

More often than not, a point debt will only occur with rare/ex items where someone present has to get the item and all the people who could use it either allready have one or dont have enough points. Of course, if you spent 25 points getting a peice of tradable gear, then later went into a deep point debt on something else, and at that time chose to leave the shell because you accumulated your last items from the shell you had wanted, then your point debt could easily be covered by tradable items. If you refuse to give them up and leave with a substantial point debt that you had the ability to repay, then I could understand it being called theft.
 
this thread getting pretty good. lets move it to flame board so it can roam free like it was meant to!
 
j said:
Kaizen has been MPK'd by JDA, no excuses, and i will publicly appologize to kaizen on behalf of JDA, but during those times JDA has lost 7 nidhoggs to MPKs and I believe of the 7 nids we lost Kaizen escaped and got 4. Was it wrong for JDA to mpk an LS that never did anything wrong to us? hell yes it was. But that was the nature of Dragon's Aery at the time.
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Hmm. Well maybe back then if you guys weren't such jerkoffs and MPKd others, you wouldn't get MPKd yourself. Karma.

And the nature of Dragon's Avery? Give me a break.

Kirayamato said:
so are they granted back their time contributing to the ls?
To my knowledge, it is based on point system (points like Real life salary) and you spend those to points to get the items. Like a real life shop where you use points instead of dollars.
And once an employee quits, s/he isn't that stupid enough to give back their earnings.
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What about the other members of the LS who spent THEIR time helping these theives get said items, do they get their time back? Nope. Let's see a couple of Osodes, H.Gaiters, a Manteel. I'm glad Thadeus didn't HQ Jolin's Manteel materials instead of mine (which is the one he did right before it) or she/he would of the left the LS with that.

And agreeing to give back items if you are to leave is actually something you agree to when you join the LS in the first place.

But to keep on topic, I'm glad BOL got claim over one particular LS.
 
so were those who help the "thieves" not given points for participating to spend on stuff they want?
please rethink your arguement.
if one can't outbid the other with their points, means they didn't participate enough to deserve that item over the other person :)
it is not their fault that they have more points than others to bid
 
Still doesn't change the fact that other ls members may have to wait weeks possibly months later for another drop. And not only that but have to see these people every day CCing them in the gear they helped them get.
 
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