Flameboard Rule interpretation

[Allegretto]

There was no 3 day temp-ban.

Ya totally missed the point. I realise that, but thank you for pointing it out.

 

[jamal]

Ya totally missed the point. I realise that, but thank you for pointing it out.

No you totally missed the point. She should be temp-banned or publicly disciplined in some way. Like Mire said, if she would have done that, she would have expected it.

 

[beeznuts]

No you totally missed the point. She should be temp-banned or publicly disciplined in some way. Like Mire said, if she would have done that, she would have expected it.

For what? Bad taste? On the flameboard? No, she shouldn't.

 

[Allegretto]

No you totally missed the point. She should be temp-banned or publicly disciplined in some way. Like Mire said, if she would have done that, she would have expected it.

I'm not denying it was out of line, and should of been dealt with. But the mods deleted the post and it's over with now. Whether you feel she should of been temp-banned or not, is great and all. Become a Mod. Then you can carry out your interpritation of the rules.

 

[jamal]

For what? Bad taste? On the flameboard? No, she shouldn't.

I'm not the only one that feels it wasn't just 'bad taste'

Its blatent harassment, and went way over the line. Just because it was said against someone obviously hated on the boards doesn't excuse that it was said.

What Romper and Meeze have been doing lately is on par with this comment, and in my estimation, this is worse. She showed no remorse in PMs to me, and actually didn't know who I was asking her to apologize to.

Basically this guy came and posted for the first time on the forums to protect his brother, and one of his first greetings was that someone wished death upon him and his family. I don't know what kind of freaks are out there posting on these forums, and if someone else was saying this who wasn't normally so 'fruity', I'd be pretty scared for the lives of those two.

 

[beeznuts]

I'm not the only one that feels it wasn't just 'bad taste'

Its blatent harassment, and went way over the line. Just because it was said against someone obviously hated on the boards doesn't excuse that it was said.

What Romper and Meeze have been doing lately is on par with this comment, and in my estimation, this is worse. She showed no remorse in PMs to me, and actually didn't know who I was asking her to apologize to.

Basically this guy came and posted for the first time on the forums to protect his brother, and one of his first greetings was that someone wished death upon him and his family. I don't know what kind of freaks are out there posting on these forums, and if someone else was saying this who wasn't normally so 'fruity', I'd be pretty scared for the lives of those two.

Well shit, let's just go close the whole flameboard down, on the grounds that it could make someone cry. It doesn't matter who he is, or his relationship to anyone here, he decided to do something really stupid, and got flak for it. That's how it goes on the flameboard.

If you've got a problem with this, we might as well just close the whole damn thing down.

 

[jamal]

Well shit, let's just go close the whole flameboard down, on the grounds that it could make someone cry. It doesn't matter who he is, or his relationship to anyone here, he decided to do something really stupid, and got flak for it. That's how it goes on the flameboard.

If you've got a problem with this, we might as well just close the whole damn thing down.

HE didn't do something stupid. HE was defending a relative. Jesus christ, don't comment if you didn't fucking read the thread.

 

[beeznuts]

HE didn't do something stupid. HE was defending a relative. Jesus christ, don't comment if you didn't fucking read the thread.

I did read the thread. I read exactly what it was. Defending a stupid person for doing stupid things in a stupid manner is stupid, I don't give a fuck what the relation between the two of them is.

 

[jamal]

I did read the thread. I read exactly what it was. Defending a stupid person for doing stupid things in a stupid manner is stupid, I don't give a fuck what the relation between the two of them is.

Just like you're doing now, defending a fucking stupid person for doing something stupid is STUPID.

 

[beeznuts]

Just like you're doing now, defending a fucking stupid person for doing something stupid is STUPID.

Because I'm defending someone's ability to say what they want, in an appropriate venue, within the confines of what is legal? Yeah, I'm a real moron.

If anything, pretty much any other flameboard post is more damaging and cruel, intended to point out horrendous glaring flaws with a player and (hopefully, if the board does its job properly) hinder their playing FFXI as a result.

Like I said, pissing in an ocean of piss.

P.S.: I will not "GTFO this thread", if you wanted to post your opinion without anyone disagreeing with you, get your own fucking forums and post there all by yourself.

 

[Rappa]

Because I'm defending someone's ability to say what they want, in an appropriate venue, within the confines of what is legal? Yeah, I'm a real moron.

The internet doesn't have free speech. There's nothing "illegal" you can say here. It's a moral issue, and a very valid one at that. It's a question as to whether or not the moderators of the site are going to allow users to say rather offensive things about people's families, which really have nothing to do with FFXI or QCDN in general. Basically what people are saying is that anything you say here can be used against you. What we're arguing is that this isn't right once you cross a certian threshold. If the mods decide there isn't a threshold, I'm sure as hell never posting anything personal on Reality Sinks In or anywhere else on the board so people can throw it back in my face in the most offensive way possible without repercussions.

 

[Uzor]

Can someone PM me the post please?

 

[beeznuts]

The internet doesn't have free speech. There's nothing "illegal" you can say here. It's a moral issue, and a very valid one at that. It's a question as to whether or not the moderators of the site are going to allow users to say rather offensive things about people's families, which really have nothing to do with FFXI or QCDN in general. Basically what people are saying is that anything you say here can be used against you. What we're arguing is that this isn't right once you cross a certian threshold. If the mods decide there isn't a threshold, I'm sure as hell never posting anything personal on Reality Sinks In or anywhere else on the board so people can throw it back in my face in the most offensive way possible without repercussions.

That's why I said "ability" and not "right". I think it's honestly a valuable lesson not to say things in public you don't want the public to know, especially on the intarweb. Stuff doesn't go away here. Ever.

 

[duncanrun]

How much worse can you get than "I hope you die like your brother did"?

3) This forum is not to be used to flame or harass someone's real life. Any thread that containing this will be deleted.


If the above truely is the quote, making fun of the fact someones brother died in real life should fall under the catagory of harassing someone's real life.

 

[Rappa]

That's why I said "ability" and not "right". I think it's honestly a valuable lesson not to say things in public you don't want the public to know, especially on the intarweb. Stuff doesn't go away here. Ever.

Let's update some rules on the site then. If the RSI board, which people like to use for venting about their problems in life, is to be a breeding ground for flameboard fodder, shouldn't there be some kind of warning on the RSI board saying as such so people know to be careful what they post there? Perhaps we should update the flameboard rules too and state it's a-okay to flame someone's RL as long as it was mentioned at some point in time on qcdn in the past, since right now it just expressly forbids doing so whatsoever.

 

[beeznuts]

Let's update some rules on the site then. If the RSI board, which people like to use for venting about their problems in life, is to be a breeding ground for flameboard fodder, shouldn't there be some kind of warning on the RSI board saying as such so people know to be careful what they post there? Perhaps we should update the flameboard rules too and state it's a-okay to flame someone's RL as long as it was mentioned at some point in time on qcdn in the past, since right now it just expressly forbids doing so whatsoever.

I think, regardless of what happens, a disclaimer that says "Remember what you're saying on the interbutt" is a good idea for reality sinks in.

 

[Allegretto]

P.S.: I will not "GTFO this thread", if you wanted to post your opinion without anyone disagreeing with you, get your own fucking forums and post there all by yourself.

QFT wish I could rate you up again.

 

[Sneakypants]

Let's not forget, when making comparisons to others that have been perma-banned, that we are talking about Morwen making a single post in poor taste...In the FB...Versus people who have made many tasteless posts all over the forum.


That comparison is not legit. Not at all.



Also, Jamal, stop the bullshit, and dragging other people into this. You know I think you're a stand up dude in game, and in general, but this is pretty fucking stupid. If you're sore, be sore with some kind of focus. You're better than that, man. Leave other folks out of it that clearly have nothing to do with your "point".

 

[Tristam Green]

Let's not forget, when making comparisons to others that have been perma-banned, that we are talking about Morwen making a single post in poor taste...In the FB...Versus people who have made many tasteless posts all over the forum.


That comparison is not legit. Not at all.

quoted for truth. sadly, i didn't get to see the thread this shitstorm stemmed from, but the attacks on other members, such as this:

Also, Jamal, stop the bullshit, and dragging other people into this. You know I think you're a stand up dude in game, and in general, but this is pretty fucking stupid. If you're sore, be sore with some kind of focus. You're better than that, man. Leave other folks out of it that clearly have nothing to do with your "point".

is, imo, no better than the reason this thread was created. it almost seems like a "hey, this is going on, but LOOK OVER THERE!" tactic, and really leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

 

[Mishaela]

I dunno... look at Kink... she not here anymore

But this was after she was given a ridiculous amount of "last chances". There were several instances where people were asking why she wasn't banned yet, and it seemed to be a judgment call amounting to "she hasn't crossed the line enough [times] for a ban to be necessary"

It was only after she made half a dozen rate-down mules that left lewd insults branded in our user CPs and threadcrapped in multiple threads did she finally get banned, and I can almost assure you the majority of the forum would have been and/or has been banned for way, way less. =\

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Actually, if I recall right, the straw that got her banned was her telling someone to die in traffic via a ratedown post she left them, wasn't it? Kindof ironic...
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Regardless, I have a large epeen bar and if I said something as disgusting as that I would expect atleast a 14 day temp ban. I don't give a fuck who you are, you don't wish death upon someone then say "teehee, they won't do anything" thats rediculous. I've seen people permabanned for less.

Entirely agree. And I know personal opinion of the FB varies with us all, especially since it's a "no rules" forums, but come on, there's obviously crap that shouldn't even need to be mentioned as intolerable - shouldn't be posting goatse or direct porn links or crap like that. I mean it shouldn't even hafto be asked. Likewise, while people can go at it in the FB like it's a verbal boxing ring, does it really needto be brought up that one shouldn't say crap related to some touchy RL subjects?

The whole "anyone who mentions RL stuff deserves to be bashed" thing is sortof lopsided, since crap mentioned in the RL section could get dragged in at any time, and that's just f-!ked up, especially if it's a comment as bad as the one that was said. Anyone who says it's the person's own fault is just looking for an excuse to have no respect for those around them, which would personally make me question just what kind of person they are to even think in such a matter. If they respect no one around them, why even stick around?


So I'll say it again, even though I know a few people disagree with this - there should at the very least be a first warning, the lesser reason due to the fact that it's common decency being completely neglected; the greater reason being quite obviously, that people have been warned or temp banned for less, really.

Incidentally, I'm guilty of dragging RL into one fight where it didn't belong, and I did apologize for it...but I know for a fact that all RL bashing is is some praying-on-the-weak bullsh-!t. It's typically the most irrelevant, lowest blow of a comment one can even make in the FB, or anywhere on the forum for the matter, and it's completely unnecessary and just plain doesn't belong. It can't possibly be that hard to at least hold onto that one tiny shred of decency when you're typing away on a digital screen of all things, can it?