Flameboard Topic Creator Locking

[Zyndara]

Yes indeed.

http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=47135

This thread is a good example >.>

No, it's not a good example at all, and I'll tell you why.

Put aside for the minute that the thread you're referring to was from someone that enough people on the boards don't care for. Put aside that it was bursting with cursing and ranting and raving. The intent behind it was to express frustration/disgust that he can't go anywhere on the forums without someone trolling him. Someone's gotta go into the real life thread and talk smack (even though his wife who posted that thread was pissy to begin with). Someone has to make fun of him or tell him off or call him stupid. And a loooong time ago it was said that it was unacceptible to flame outside the flameboard. Yet we still have this going on: http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=45653

I'm not saying he doesn't bring heat upon himself. I'm not saying he hasn't irritated people or said foolish things. But I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be the first person on these boards to say something stupid. He created the flame in anger and while theoretically I agree that yes, people should be accountable for what they say, I also think he had a point, though apparently not capable of expressing it as diplomatically as others do. I spoke to him in PMs and to be really honest, I think he genuinely just wants to not be actively humiliated outside the flameboard just because certain people can't resist. And I don't think that's a horribly awful thing to want. It's been said a million times: don't want to hear what someone has to say, put them on your ignore list. And that's exactly the advice I gave him through PM.

All in all, that FB topic was met with the usual disgust and ridicule, with some homophobia, racism and the usual lame "I'm cool look at the pic I posted." garbage. Not saying we should all forgive and welcome BBT into open arms but, yeah that thread wasn't going anywhere good. It started out of line, it went where everyone knew it was going to go, and was, mercifully in my opinion, put down.

Bottom line, the thread didn't belong on the flameboard because it didn't have anything to do with in game occurences. And it couldn't be moved elsewhere because it was full of venom and spite. So I think the mods did the right thing in locking it.

 

[Blancho]

No, it's not a good example at all, and I'll tell you why.

Put aside for the minute that the thread you're referring to was from someone that enough people on the boards don't care for. Put aside that it was bursting with cursing and ranting and raving. The intent behind it was to express frustration/disgust that he can't go anywhere on the forums without someone trolling him. Someone's gotta go into the real life thread and talk smack (even though his wife who posted that thread was pissy to begin with). Someone has to make fun of him or tell him off or call him stupid. And a loooong time ago it was said that it was unacceptible to flame outside the flameboard. Yet we still have this going on: http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=45653

I'm not saying he doesn't bring heat upon himself. I'm not saying he hasn't irritated people or said foolish things. But I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be the first person on these boards to say something stupid. He created the flame in anger and while theoretically I agree that yes, people should be accountable for what they say, I also think he had a point, though apparently not capable of expressing it as diplomatically as others do. I spoke to him in PMs and to be really honest, I think he genuinely just wants to not be actively humiliated outside the flameboard just because certain people can't resist. And I don't think that's a horribly awful thing to want. It's been said a million times: don't want to hear what someone has to say, put them on your ignore list. And that's exactly the advice I gave him through PM.

All in all, that FB topic was met with the usual disgust and ridicule, with some homophobia, racism and the usual lame "I'm cool look at the pic I posted." garbage. Not saying we should all forgive and welcome BBT into open arms but, yeah that thread wasn't going anywhere good. It started out of line, it went where everyone knew it was going to go, and was, mercifully in my opinion, put down.

Bottom line, the thread didn't belong on the flameboard because it didn't have anything to do with in game occurences. And it couldn't be moved elsewhere because it was full of venom and spite. So I think the mods did the right thing in locking it.

That's how I feel also.

BTW if you put someone on your ignore list will that avoid getting rate downs/ups from them also?

 

[jyakotsu]

No, it's not a good example at all, and I'll tell you why.

Put aside for the minute that the thread you're referring to was from someone that enough people on the boards don't care for. Put aside that it was bursting with cursing and ranting and raving. The intent behind it was to express frustration/disgust that he can't go anywhere on the forums without someone trolling him. Someone's gotta go into the real life thread and talk smack (even though his wife who posted that thread was pissy to begin with). Someone has to make fun of him or tell him off or call him stupid. And a loooong time ago it was said that it was unacceptible to flame outside the flameboard. Yet we still have this going on: http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=45653

I'm not saying he doesn't bring heat upon himself. I'm not saying he hasn't irritated people or said foolish things. But I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be the first person on these boards to say something stupid. He created the flame in anger and while theoretically I agree that yes, people should be accountable for what they say, I also think he had a point, though apparently not capable of expressing it as diplomatically as others do. I spoke to him in PMs and to be really honest, I think he genuinely just wants to not be actively humiliated outside the flameboard just because certain people can't resist. And I don't think that's a horribly awful thing to want. It's been said a million times: don't want to hear what someone has to say, put them on your ignore list. And that's exactly the advice I gave him through PM.

All in all, that FB topic was met with the usual disgust and ridicule, with some homophobia, racism and the usual lame "I'm cool look at the pic I posted." garbage. Not saying we should all forgive and welcome BBT into open arms but, yeah that thread wasn't going anywhere good. It started out of line, it went where everyone knew it was going to go, and was, mercifully in my opinion, put down.

Bottom line, the thread didn't belong on the flameboard because it didn't have anything to do with in game occurences. And it couldn't be moved elsewhere because it was full of venom and spite. So I think the mods did the right thing in locking it.

Quoting entire thing instead of paraphrasing it for QFT.

I present the following before i state specific things.
http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=40250

This thread states that you are not allowed to take flames outside of the flameboard. When they are taken outside of the flameboards they will be immediately deleted. NOW im not saying i am innocent in this, as i have flammed Deltas on his Linkshell thread. However Elei promptly deleted it, and as it should have been.

Reactions against BBT can be however you choose, however i step in and say wtf when racism, Gender discrimination, and overall bashing people for bringing up events that occur w/ RL.

My aunt died IRL a while back, I'll be fucking damned to have Internet idiots making fun of that if i posted it on Reality sinks in. I would have posted there to vent and to say how i felt, I.E. How sad i was to lose my closest non immediate family member. I guarantee that is exactly how BBT felt. Granted you all might not care that BBT got stuck into a coma, you all might not care that he said he almost died 5-6 times. Who cares if he cried wolf, shame on you for even toying/laughing/expressing fun making w/ death.

Has religion/School taught you all anything about what is considered "Kosher" regarding what you should make fun of vs what you shouldnt? Would you like it if i made fun of you after your mother passed away? I bet you wouldn't feel good about it.

/endrant.

 

[Darkdante]

He got banned. The banning speaks for itself.

We are not supposed to flame banned people. (I think)

 

[Zyndara]

He got banned. The banning speaks for itself.

He got banned because he posted private information (and rightly so) but he was egged into doing so also. Doesn't make what he did right, but nothing happened to the person that baited him. Nor to the person who posted blatant racist crap either. He isn't a model member, obviously. But this is about should that particular thread have been locked. And the answer is yes, regardless of whether he was banned, right wrong or indifferent.

 

[Darkdante]

He got banned because he posted private information (and rightly so) but he was egged into doing so also. Doesn't make what he did right, but nothing happened to the person that baited him. Nor to the person who posted blatant racist crap either. He isn't a model member, obviously. But this is about should that particular thread have been locked. And the answer is yes, regardless of whether he was banned, right wrong or indifferent.

If you don't like getting responses to your flame on the flame board, easy answer is to not post there. The reason why you don't want to give the OP the option of locking a flame is so you don't have people making false accusations on the flame board and being able to run away without givng the people being flamed the chance to respond.

You post a flame, you either feel vindicated or deal with the consequences of your stupidity.

Should it have been locked? No
Should it have been deleted? Yes. But only at a mods discretion not at the request of the OP.

Does it matter now that he's banned? No

 

[Garvin]

No, it's not a good example at all, and I'll tell you why.

Put aside for the minute that the thread you're referring to was from someone that enough people on the boards don't care for. Put aside that it was bursting with cursing and ranting and raving. The intent behind it was to express frustration/disgust that he can't go anywhere on the forums without someone trolling him. Someone's gotta go into the real life thread and talk smack (even though his wife who posted that thread was pissy to begin with). Someone has to make fun of him or tell him off or call him stupid. And a loooong time ago it was said that it was unacceptible to flame outside the flameboard. Yet we still have this going on: http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=45653

So handle the flames outside of the flameboard.

Bottom line, the thread didn't belong on the flameboard because it didn't have anything to do with in game occurences. And it couldn't be moved elsewhere because it was full of venom and spite. So I think the mods did the right thing in locking it.

The Flameboard is to be used for FFXI-Game or FFXI-forum related occurances only.

Sure, some other people needed punished as well, but that's not the topic at hand in this thread.

I stand by the notion that if you post anything on the flameboard, you are to deal with what you get. If you can't, don't post there. Period.

 

[Tyrath]

So handle the flames outside of the flameboard.






Sure, some other people needed punished as well, but that's not the topic at hand in this thread.

I stand by the notion that if you post anything on the flameboard, you are to deal with what you get. If you can't, don't post there. Period.

What he said. I don't care what your reasons are, if you post there, you shouldn't have the option to get out if things get too rough for you.

 

[jyakotsu]

What he said. I don't care what your reasons are, if you post there, you shouldn't have the option to get out if things get too rough for you.

There is a difference IMHO, between getting too rough and using racial and sexist slurs. Using the N word, and calling people oreos, when NOT in humor is nothing to laugh at, nor poke fun at. Well hell.... calling people those things when IN Humor/laugh at is not appropriate... I think that is kinda what zyn was getting at.

 

[Garvin]

There is a difference IMHO, between getting too rough and using racial and sexist slurs. Using the N word, and calling people oreos, when NOT in humor is nothing to laugh at, nor poke fun at. Well hell.... calling people those things when IN Humor/laugh at is not appropriate... I think that is kinda what zyn was getting at.

So deal with those individual posts, there's no need to lock an entire topic because of any post or group of posts in it.

 

[Tyrath]

So deal with those individual posts, there's no need to lock an entire topic because of any post or group of posts in it.

Wow seriously, Garvin's like in my head stealing all my thoughts today.:shok:

 

[jyakotsu]

So deal with those individual posts, there's no need to lock an entire topic because of any post or group of posts in it.

Look at that entire thread. Every single negative post towards BBT had some sort of Egging on, racial slur, or Sexist/etc remark. If you deleted every single post such as that, it would be easier on the mods just to have locked it.... PLUS the OP said to lock the thread. Easy.

 

[Tyrath]

Look at that entire thread. Every single negative post towards BBT had some sort of Egging on, racial slur, or Sexist/etc remark. If you deleted every single post such as that, it would be easier on the mods just to have locked it.... PLUS the OP said to lock the thread. Easy.

Wow umm did you miss the point of this thread when you walked in?

 

[jyakotsu]

Wow umm did you miss the point of this thread when you walked in?

and you have ignored every single post myself and zyn have posted except the ONE little quote i say at the end... Real smooth. The thread was full of Racism and Thread baiting. It needed to be locked. Really do you agree with racism or Thread baiting? Because if you do i can understand why you wanted that thread to stay open. There were at least a handful of major racial slurs that were used in taht thread. It needed to be locked moron.

 

[Garvin]

Look at that entire thread. Every single negative post towards BBT had some sort of Egging on, racial slur, or Sexist/etc remark. If you deleted every single post such as that, it would be easier on the mods just to have locked it.... PLUS the OP said to lock the thread. Easy.

The vast majority of posts has absolutely nothing that goes against QCDN's flameboard rules. "Egging someone on" is only a problem off the flameboard. If he has no self-control on it, that's too bad.

Even if they did... delete the posts, say "No more _______." and temp-ban anyone who doesn't listen after that.

Problems get addressed, OP doesn't get to get off the hook for starting shit, everything is as it should be. Easy.

and you have ignored every single post myself and zyn have posted except the ONE little quote i say at the end... Real smooth. The thread was full of Racism and Thread baiting. It needed to be locked. Really do you agree with racism or Thread baiting? Because if you do i can understand why you wanted that thread to stay open. There were at least a handful of major racial slurs that were used in taht thread. It needed to be locked moron.

That thread had 63 replies. A "handful of major racial slurs" does not warrant it being locked. It warrants the handful of posts being deleted.

 

[jyakotsu]

The vast majority of posts has absolutely nothing that goes against QCDN's flameboard rules. "Egging someone on" is only a problem off the flameboard. If he has no self-control on it, that's too bad.

Even if they did... delete the posts, say "No more _______." and temp-ban anyone who doesn't listen after that.

Problems get addressed, OP doesn't get to get off the hook for starting shit, everything is as it should be. Easy.


That thread had 63 replies. A "handful of major racial slurs" does not warrant it being locked. It warrants the handful of posts being deleted.

Then that would have been fine as well. I'd have to honestly re read that thread to quote, which i wont do because i am lazy. But honestly that would mean everythign Kelyons, Romperstomper, Meeze, and probably a few posts by yourself would have had to been deleted, along w/ a Mod saying "Temp ban for flame baiting/racism etc. Again i did not re read that flame so i dont know if those names are 100% accurate.

 

[Garvin]

Then that would have been fine as well. I'd have to honestly re read that thread to quote, which i wont do because i am lazy. But honestly that would mean everythign Kelyons, Romperstomper, Meeze, and probably a few posts by yourself would have had to been deleted, along w/ a Mod saying "Temp ban for flame baiting/racism etc. Again i did not re read that flame so i dont know if those names are 100% accurate.

If the mods are so stupid as to ban someone for flame baiting ON THE FLAMEBOARD, then this truly is a sad day. Nothing of mine would have to be deleted, thank you.

 

[Tyrath]

and you have ignored every single post myself and zyn have posted except the ONE little quote i say at the end... Real smooth. The thread was full of Racism and Thread baiting. It needed to be locked. Really do you agree with racism or Thread baiting? Because if you do i can understand why you wanted that thread to stay open. There were at least a handful of major racial slurs that were used in taht thread. It needed to be locked moron.

Oh thats because I feel Garvin's doing well enough job of handling the rest, why bother myself repeating what he says everytime? Now, I'd suggest you refrain from the name calling and stuff out here because I believe thats against the rules outside of the flameboard ^^

 

[jyakotsu]

Wow umm did you miss the point of this thread when you walked in?

and this would be considered flame baiting outside the flame board... your point? i did nothing prior to this except express a point. Don't try to twist shit around and act all innocent, you started the whole "OMG OMG IM FLAMING SHIT OUTSIDE THE FLAMEBOARD"

My original point before being sidetracked by some idiot is as follows.

IMO the mods had every right to lock that thread is because it had posts in it that were very derogatory. /endrant

 

[Garvin]

and this would be considered flame baiting outside the flame board... your point? i did nothing prior to this except express a point. Don't try to twist shit around and act all innocent, you started the whole "OMG OMG IM FLAMING SHIT OUTSIDE THE FLAMEBOARD"

My original point before being sidetracked by some idiot is as follows.

IMO the mods had every right to lock that thread is because it had posts in it that were very derogatory. /endrant

And my points are as follows:
1) That is not the reason it was locked.
2) A thread should never be locked because of the contents of posts within. A thread should be locked solely based on the intended contents.

I have no control over what you post in a thread I make. Therefore, there is no valid reason why someone else's posts should be a contributing factor to whether or not my thread gets locked. Ever. The punishment is suitable for them, not the OP (in most cases).

That aside, flameboard posts should not be locked unless resolved or pointlessly necroed. Since again, that was not the case, I disagree entirely with that lock.