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Dani

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I wasn’t going to post this but the more I think about it the more it pisses me off.

Back story:

Fleist and Co. (Tanthalas, Dor, Kimaara, Cherron, Rari, Jefa – I’m sure I’m missing one or five) used to be in Absolute. Absolute is a Dynamis shell in which I am a lead. Fleist and Co. were unhappy with how the points and lotting system were set up and posted about it on our forum. In the end they were not happy with the answers they received and left the shell.

Fleist decided to start his own Dynamis shell, with Tanthalas and Cherron as his leads, and posted about it in the Linkshell Recruiting forum.

http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=53134

What happened:

The members of Absolute and I are sitting in Jeuno last night going over reminders, introducing new members and getting ready to enter. We enter at 8 pm on Saturday. Anyone can see the schedule; therefore anyone can see what zones are and are not available.

http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/forumdisplay.php?f=85

At 7:30 this happens:

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It seems the way they see it is if they don't have access then everyone else has to deal, not them. That half assed apology and empty promise there at the end came almost an hour later after I checked the public Dynamis schedule and moved the run to Sandy.

Achates asked that I let Audino know what happened.

convo3.png


As it turns out Fleist is a liar. He's telling his leads to do zones that he knows he doesn't have clearance to do under the pretence of "Well Audino is ignoring me so it's ok". As you can see, Audino has already addressed with Fleist what needs to be done to gain access. Fleist just can't be bothered to do it and would rather something as preventable as this happen. Absolute has had conflicts in the past for various reasons and moved to other zones and made damn sure we were out on time. It's just not that hard to make sure you're not overlapping someone else's time. We are fortunate enough not only to have a schedule on this server but that people actually pay attention to it. Well, those that can be bothered for the 8 1/2 seconds it takes to check it anyway.

The kicker to all of this is that Fleist wasn't even online last night. He had his shell do this when he wouldn't even be around to take the heat for it. He knew damn well what he was doing and did it out of spite. Fleist made the call and let his leads take the shit for him. Obviously the mark of a good leader.

When I saw him on AIM I had to say something:

"Dani L.": i see you're gettin messages on your phone so i wont get too into it, but i think it's really crappy you sent your shell
"Dani L.": to do jeuno at a time when you could easily see it was taken. you should thank tanthalas for taking a bitching that you shoudl have received
"Fleist": Actually i had it sch that way since mid dec b4 anything was posted on qcdn 4 jan. We tried 2 get access 2 sch forum but were denied.
"Fleist": We went in @ 5 n didnt expect 2 get all text n win. No disrespect 2 u
"Dani L.": you should have waited until you had access to the scehdule or asked any of the dynamis leaders what the schedule was
"Dani L.": assuming that a zone was open or tha tyou woulnd't be there the entire time was selfish and thoughtless
"Dani L.": after talking to audino you need to talk to one of the admins of the site. audino said he's already told you this.
"Dani L.": i'd expect you to be the leader you expect others to be and take the simple steps of not screwing others over.

He responded a while later, but my computer crashed shortly after so I didn't get a chance to save it. He said that he was busy and that I needed to talk to Tanthalas or Cherron because it was their issue not his. I told him that that was funny because Tanthalas denied responsibility and told me to talk to him (Fleist). I also told him that I'd already made Audino aware of the situation and that was all that needed to be said.

The fact that he says that he scheduled it this way in December is pointless. If you're not posting it where the rest of the schedulers are posting then your schedule doesn't matter because you're the only one that knows about it.

I'd suggest the rest of the Dynamis leads out there keep a close eye on the zones you plan to enter this month since he's got his own agenda. I want you all to be aware of what kind of a dick Fleist can be. He's not one of those outright assholes that get flamed monthly. No, he's manipulative. He will be nice, funny and charming to your face while he's plotting how to fuck you over behind your back.

So, thanks Fleist for showing me and all of Absolute your true colors. I held out hope that you weren't really a bad guy, that there were just bad circumstances when you left Absolute, but you proved that hope to be far fetched. All I ask is that you take a few minutes, check the Dynamis schedule and adjust YOUR schedule accordingly.
 
I hardly think entering a zone at 5pm EST and running slightly over estimated time, is grounds to claim they "stole" your zone. That's just my opinion on the situation, however. It probably could have been handled better on Dreams' part, whether it be going through Audino or finding out why the Admins were taking their sweet ass time to add his shell to the forum. But again hardly something that warrents a flame. It seems because there is bad blood between the two shells, is what really made this worse then it actually was intially.

Like I said to Jya in S&F board, just because *most* of the NA player base decides to use this website as a guide, doesn't mean it's the be all, end all of what goes on ingame.
 
I hardly think entering a zone at 5pm EST and running slightly over estimated time, is grounds to claim they "stole" your zone. That's just my opinion on the situation, however. It probably could have been handled better on Dreams' part, whether it be going through Audino or finding out why the Admins were taking their sweet ass time to add his shell to the forum. But again hardly something that warrents a flame. It seems because there is bad blood between the two shells, is what really made this worse then it actually was intially.

Like I said to Jya in S&F board, just because *most* of the NA player base decides to use this website as a guide, doesn't mean it's the be all, end all of what goes on ingame.

5 minutes is slightly over estimated time. I can even deal with 15 minutes. I refuse to allow another shell to make my entire shell wait on them for amost an HOUR because no one could be bothered to check a schedule. I don't know about you, but we don't have time to waste like that.

No matter what the reason is for not being added to the forum (Fleist's laziness in asking the proper people or Admin's not adding after being requested to) he could have asked any number of people to do it for him. It was a piss poor excuse for him to use and hopefully this will kick his ass in gear to get his shit together.

And while this site isn't the end all be all of what goes on in game, if most of the NA Dynamis leaders (if not all except for Fleist) use the board to schedule their runs why can't he step in line and play like everyone else? I don't think 4 minutes out of the month to post a schedule is going to kill him. It's not like he's not already visiting the site anyway.
 
This is very weak indeed. If they went in at 7, or hell, maybe even 6, this flame might have substance. The fact that they went in 3 Hours before you were scheduled to go and happened to run over is mere coincidence. If they were trying to piss you off, I think they would have made it a little more obvious.

Oh, and the fact that you were a complete dick to Tan was real leader quality on your part.
 
5 minutes is slightly over estimated time. I can even deal with 15 minutes. I refuse to allow another shell to make my entire shell wait on them for amost an HOUR because no one could be bothered to check a schedule. I don't know about you, but we don't have time to waste like that.

No matter what the reason is for not being added to the forum (Fleist's laziness in asking the proper people or Admin's not adding after being requested to) he could have asked any number of people to do it for him. It was a piss poor excuse for him to use and hopefully this will kick his ass in gear to get his shit together.

And while this site isn't the end all be all of what goes on in game, if most of the NA Dynamis leaders (if not all except for Fleist) use the board to schedule their runs why can't he step in line and play like everyone else? I don't think 4 minutes out of the month to post a schedule is going to kill him. It's not like he's not already visiting the site anyway.

Welcome to FFXI, shit happens sometimes, people gotta wait on other shells occasionally. I personally don't do dynamis anymore, but I have had to wait on gods, in sky because other shells, 1. got there before us or 2. are running over. Going in at 5pm EST when your ls is due to go in at 8pm ESt is HARDLY stealing a zone. this is just completely being blown out of proportion.

Sucks you had to wait for a zone to open up, by 30-40 minutes.. it happens. I hardly think it was an intentional "lol lets go screw over Absolute for teh lulz lololol."
 
This is very weak indeed. If they went in at 7, or hell, maybe even 6, this flame might have substance. The fact that they went in 3 Hours before you were scheduled to go and happened to run over is mere coincidence. If they were trying to piss you off, I think they would have made it a little more obvious.

Oh, and the fact that you were a complete dick to Tan was real leader quality on your part.

If they happened to run over when they were actually scheduled to be there at 5 that would be one thing. But they weren't. A few weeks ago Absolute moved a run to Sandy because we didn't have the numbers to do another zone. RoR was scheduled to enter at midnight but we could have gotten the time extension and run over into their time. Are you saying that would be ok? It's ok to be on someone else's time and they just have to deal with it? Why do we have a schedule at all if no one needs to adhere to posted times?

Oh, and the fact that Tan used the "I don't know what's going on here I'm just a lead and blindly follow" card was real leader quality on his part. He KNEW their schedule wasn't known to anyone but them. Take the initiative and make sure you're not where you shouldn't be.
 
What Lanien and Iso said.
 
Welcome to FFXI, shit happens sometimes, people gotta wait on other shells occasionally. I personally don't do dynamis anymore, but I have had to wait on gods, in sky because other shells, 1. got there before us or 2. are running over. Going in at 5pm EST when your ls is due to go in at 8pm ESt is HARDLY stealing a zone. this is just completely being blown out of proportion.

Sucks you had to wait for a zone to open up, by 30-40 minutes.. it happens. I hardly think it was an intentional "lol lets go screw over Absolute for teh lulz lololol."

That condescending "welcome to FFXI" BS like I've never done anything in the game gets real old and doesn't do much more than make you look pretentious.

In sky, if someone's fighting Genbu you can move to Suzy and then come back. If someone's fighting Kirin you can go farm something and then come back. If someone's in Jueno I can't just go do another zone and come back. It's not really the same thing and it's not fair to ask 20 other people to sacrifice more of their night for the thoughtlessness of a former shellmate.
 
I would bet he entered even earlier then he wanted just so he didnt harm your run. The fact that it ran over is tough luck. He obviously did not intentionally harm you or he would have went in at 7 lol. Deal with it and dont cry so much. Fleist is a great guy. This happens every day in dynamis and other things in FF. The fact it mattered so much to you means nothing to the other hundreds of people who get the same bad luck daily. Sorry but thats reality. I am sure he will work around it better next time.
 
I'm not endgame, but I think I understand this.

A shell, split into 2. The ones who left the first one, showed up for Jeuno Dyn at the same time yours was supposed to go, he said he told Audino to post the time they were going. So in the end, you get screwed cause he lied, didn't ask Audino and you ended up going to San d'Oria Dyn?

If so, that's lame and pathetic he messed up like that.

I know it's a hard quote but it's from Tokyo Drift~

A horse shoe in need of a missing nail, a horse in need of a missing horse shoe, a message in need of a horse, a war lost in need of a message

Such a small thing can be a decently to extreme loss.

~

Sorry there are people like this, and I know this doesn't effect me not what I can do affects anyone but I hope people like this get what the deserve...nothing.

~

I think QCDN should make a list of pretty big misshaps to let others know of the integrity of people when they join an endgame shell. Like the punishment thread on the bottom of the boards.
 
Okay~ It clicked. They were taking longer then expected and they didn't know someone was after them (AKA, you.) So your entire run was delayed by someone elses who didn't know the schedule?

Meh, not as bad as what I thought but still. Quite inconsiderate. Sorry for the loss. And yeah, I scanned over some later posts, shit happens. If it keeps happening though. Yeah, it's pathetic.
 
I wasn’t going to post this but the more I think about it the more it pisses me off.

Back story:

Fleist and Co. (Tanthalas, Dor, Kimaara, Cherron, Rari, Jefa – I’m sure I’m missing one or five) used to be in Absolute. Absolute is a Dynamis shell in which I am a lead. Fleist and Co. were unhappy with how the points and lotting system were set up and posted about it on our forum. In the end they were not happy with the answers they received and left the shell.

Fleist decided to start his own Dynamis shell, with Tanthalas and Cherron as his leads, and posted about it in the Linkshell Recruiting forum.

http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=53134

What happened:

The members of Absolute and I are sitting in Jeuno last night going over reminders, introducing new members and getting ready to enter. We enter at 8 pm on Saturday. Anyone can see the schedule; therefore anyone can see what zones are and are not available.

http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/forumdisplay.php?f=85

At 7:30 this happens:

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j153/ddk9/convo1.png[IMG]

[IMG]http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j153/ddk9/convo2.png[IMG]

It seems the way they see it is if they don't have access then everyone else has to deal, not them. That half assed apology and empty promise there at the end came almost an hour later after I checked the [B]public Dynamis schedule[/B] and moved the run to Sandy.

Achates asked that I let Audino know what happened.

[IMG]http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j153/ddk9/convo3.png[IMG]

As it turns out Fleist is a liar. He's telling his leads to do zones that he knows he doesn't have clearance to do under the pretence of "Well Audino is ignoring me so it's ok". As you can see, Audino has already addressed with Fleist what needs to be done to gain access. Fleist just can't be bothered to do it and would rather something as preventable as this happen. Absolute has had conflicts in the past for various reasons and moved to other zones and made damn sure we were out on time. It's just not that hard to make sure you're not overlapping someone else's time. We are fortunate enough not only to have a schedule on this server but that people actually pay attention to it. Well, those that can be bothered for the 8 1/2 seconds it takes to check it anyway.

The kicker to all of this is that Fleist wasn't even online last night. He had his shell do this when he wouldn't even be around to take the heat for it. He knew damn well what he was doing and did it out of spite. Fleist made the call and let his leads take the shit for him. Obviously the mark of a good leader.

When I saw him on AIM I had to say something:

[COLOR="Red"]"Dani L.":[/COLOR] i see you're gettin messages on your phone so i wont get too into it, but i think it's really crappy you sent your shell
[COLOR="Red"]"Dani L.": [/COLOR] to do jeuno at a time when you could easily see it was taken. you should thank tanthalas for taking a bitching that you shoudl have received
[COLOR="Blue"]"Fleist": [/COLOR]Actually i had it sch that way since mid dec b4 anything was posted on qcdn 4 jan. We tried 2 get access 2 sch forum but were denied.
[COLOR="blue"]"Fleist": [/COLOR] We went in @ 5 n didnt expect 2 get all text n win. No disrespect 2 u
[COLOR="Red"]"Dani L.": [/COLOR] you should have waited until you had access to the scehdule or asked any of the dynamis leaders what the schedule was
[COLOR="red"]"Dani L.": [/COLOR] assuming that a zone was open or tha tyou woulnd't be there the entire time was selfish and thoughtless
"[COLOR="red"]Dani L.": [/COLOR]after talking to audino you need to talk to one of the admins of the site. audino said he's already told you this.
[COLOR="Red"]"Dani L.": [/COLOR] i'd expect you to be the leader you expect others to be and take the simple steps of not screwing others over.

He responded a while later, but my computer crashed shortly after so I didn't get a chance to save it. He said that he was busy and that I needed to talk to Tanthalas or Cherron because it was their issue not his. I told him that that was funny because Tanthalas denied responsibility and told me to talk to him (Fleist). I also told him that I'd already made Audino aware of the situation and that was all that needed to be said.

The fact that he says that he scheduled it this way in December is pointless. If you're not posting it where the rest of the schedulers are posting then your schedule doesn't matter because you're the only one that knows about it.

I'd suggest the rest of the Dynamis leads out there keep a close eye on the zones you plan to enter this month since he's got his own agenda. I want you all to be aware of what kind of a dick Fleist can be. He's not one of those outright assholes that get flamed monthly. No, he's manipulative. He will be nice, funny and charming to your face while he's plotting how to fuck you over behind your back.

So, thanks Fleist for showing me and all of Absolute your true colors. I held out hope that you weren't really a bad guy, that there were just bad circumstances when you left Absolute, but you proved that hope to be far fetched. All I ask is that you take a few minutes, check the Dynamis schedule and adjust YOUR schedule accordingly.[/QUOTE]

4 things...

1- i don't know how stupid you think people are but after 3 years of dealing with fleist i know for a fact you "conversation" with fleist is utter bullshit. If you want to lie for him you should not abrivate words, seeing as he never does, espically when talking to someone not within his ls no matter how badly he dislike the individual.

2- [quote=Dani]The kicker to all of this is that Fleist wasn't even online last night. He had his shell do this when he wouldn't even be around to take the heat for it. He knew damn well what he was doing and did it out of spite. Fleist made the call and let his leads take the shit for him. Obviously the mark of a good leader.[/quote]
Actually he was on from 5 till he had to leave at 7:15. Some people do have other plans or emergency's that do come up... Just because people do something besides kiss ass all day(btw would you like the ss i have of that where everyone i know can think of you as nothing but??) doesn't mean they were not there.

3- [quote=Dani]As it turns out Fleist is a liar. He's telling his leads to do zones that he knows he doesn't have clearance to do under the pretence of "Well Audino is ignoring me so it's ok". As you can see, Audino has already addressed with Fleist what needs to be done to gain access. Fleist just can't be bothered to do it and would rather something as preventable as this happen. Absolute has had conflicts in the past for various reasons and moved to other zones and made damn sure we were out on time.[/quote]
Do you even read? His request for posting access in Dynamis scheduling was made wednesday dec 26 07. which is the same day that our January and February schedule was posted on your forum. That is 16 days since his post asking for access was made. Now, I don't know about PhP forums but if membership access on them is anything like a AD or NDS Domain it takes tops 30 seconds to add someone with membership rights... Your telling me theres 3 Site Admins and none can find 30 second to do a simple membership addition within 16 days?!?

4- [quote=Dani]He responded a while later, but my computer crashed shortly after so I didn't get a chance to save it. He said that he was busy and that I needed to talk to Tanthalas or Cherron because it was their issue not his. I told him that that was funny because Tanthalas denied responsibility and told me to talk to him (Fleist). I also told him that I'd already made Audino aware of the situation and that was all that needed to be said.[/quote]

My computer crashed.... Convinent excuse... Let me guess. Theres all those black lines in the tell SS so none of the tells that utterly contradict your claims are shown right? Also, Your statement that Fleist denies responsibility... Come on... At least TRY to lie. Anyone who has ever dealt with fleist will be laughing at that. Fleist is and will be the only main leader of Dreams. And he does not say the actions of the shell are not his responsibility.


This is, and will be, my only post in this topic. The more I was reading this topic the more accurate i was seeing everyone's proclamation of Absolute. As such i will not waste any more time on you.
 
"Fleist and co." was asked to leave that I recall. Also, Fleist was present during the run but had to leave a bit early for a family obligation. To attack his leadership over that doesnt make sense. Also there was no ill intent on how long our run went. We werent out to get Absolute. You go to Dynamis.. sometimes you get the win, sometimes you dont, but I dont know anyone that kicks out their LS in the middle cause they ran into someone's time slot. I've been on the other end waiting. Our half hour or so into your timeslot is regrettable. When you have a bunch of mobs all on you, it just isnt realistic to have everyone suddenly drop their glasses. It just appears that somewhere along the line there was some kind of scheduling miscommunication. I'm sorry your shell was disbanded and that you had to wait a little bit to enter but I feel that if we were any other shell, we wouldnt have been flamed.

Kimaara
 
Here's the PM I sent to Audino and the response I received from him:

Audino said:
FleistLoC said:
Are you the nee Dynamis Scheduler?

I'm forming a Dynamis group for Saturdays 4PM EST beginning January 5, 2008.

Can you please add me and Cherron to the users that can access the Dynamis forum for scheduling?

Regards,

There's a request thread in the Feedback forum.

http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=36974

That should take you right there.

-Dino

And if you click on the link, you'll get lead to my post requesting for access to the Dynamis Scheduling sub-forum.

I was leading the shell from 4:30 to around 7PM EST, and then entrusted the other leads to take over in my absence as I had a real life obligation to take care of. Last night as it was my brother's birthday and I was out with him and my family for dinner. At the 7PM mark, we had until after 8PM on the glass and I saw no injustice in farming until the expiration of time. My partial absence on a run should not be the basis of judgment on my leadership style or the manner in which my linkshell is managed. My LS is comprised of large group of members that have continually provided direction in my absence based on years of experience.

During dinner I received a number of text messages from Dani via AIM, and though I was busy, I briefly answered her questions and instructed her to talk to Cherron and Tanth on these issues ingame. I also don't do well texting on the phone when someone interrupts my personal life with FF related drama. That's just not going to happen.

At 5PM, we did not expect to over-run past 8PM EST, as we don't expect to run over any other night. I would think a display of maturity and consideration from Absolute leadership, rather than an incorrect accusation in hopes to flame my LS, would have been a much better manner of settling a dispute such as this. If it was me on the other side, I would have waited until your time expired (as i think waiting 30 mins for a 3 hour event is insignificant). I've done this with Limbus, Kirin fights, and other pop NM events like Rostrum pumps whereby other linkshells would be at the pop area before our scheduled time, and we would make light of it, out of kindness and consideration, to provide understanding.

It was not done out of personal malice or disrespect. Those are the facts as I see it.

I wanna give a shout out to Dumbledor, Nugs, Blonde, Shawty, Legend, Old Man Sharon, and Crabboy. Thanks for a great night. You guys are great. Iso, I know you and I just met. Thanks for your support. Long time no see, Osy. Come back and let's do stuff together for a change!
 
I received a PM last night with a full January schedule from Dreams and I just got done posting it for them today.

Fleist did indeed come to me weeks back asking about posting access and in a very timely process I directed him to the place he needed to get it from and he followed the proper steps. For whatever reason, none of the Admins on this site have added him and I'm not sure if any have to this date.
 
4 things...

1- i don't know how stupid you think people are but after 3 years of dealing with fleist i know for a fact you "conversation" with fleist is utter bullshit. If you want to lie for him you should not abrivate words, seeing as he never does, espically when talking to someone not within his ls no matter how badly he dislike the individual.

2-
Actually he was on from 5 till he had to leave at 7:15. Some people do have other plans or emergency's that do come up... Just because people do something besides kiss ass all day(btw would you like the ss i have of that where everyone i know can think of you as nothing but??) doesn't mean they were not there.

3-
Do you even read? His request for posting access in Dynamis scheduling was made wednesday dec 26 07. which is the same day that our January and February schedule was posted on your forum. That is 16 days since his post asking for access was made. Now, I don't know about PhP forums but if membership access on them is anything like a AD or NDS Domain it takes tops 30 seconds to add someone with membership rights... Your telling me theres 3 Site Admins and none can find 30 second to do a simple membership addition within 16 days?!?

4-

My computer crashed.... Convinent excuse... Let me guess. Theres all those black lines in the tell SS so none of the tells that utterly contradict your claims are shown right? Also, Your statement that Fleist denies responsibility... Come on... At least TRY to lie. Anyone who has ever dealt with fleist will be laughing at that. Fleist is and will be the only main leader of Dreams. And he does not say the actions of the shell are not his responsibility.


This is, and will be, my only post in this topic. The more I was reading this topic the more accurate i was seeing everyone's proclamation of Absolute. As such i will not waste any more time on you.

1. If you'd really read my original post you'd see that I was talking to Fleist on AIM and he was using his phone. Even if your precious Fleistypoo never speaks like that in the game he spoke like that last night. Have you never tried to carry on a conversation through im's on your cell phone? It's a bit time consuming to worry about proper grammar and punctuation. Sorry I can't appease you with ss's.

2. He wasn't there when I tried to contact him. I figured he wasn't there the entire time. I didn't know. Sorry. And if you'd truly spend the space on your harddrive saving a conversation about people that think I'm an ass kisser then feel free to do with it what you like. They're not the only people that think I'm an ass kisser, a jerk, don't know what I'm talking about, a bitch, etc, etc, etc. and they won't be the last. That's irrelevant to the issue at hand. But hey, I'm honored you'd spend your precious time talking about pathetic little me.

3. I'm not a mod for this site, so I can't comment on the amount of time it's taken to get him access. Maybe instead of complaining about it someone could follow up and find out what's going on instead of letting it go and then bitching about mods taking so long.

4. Actually my computer did crash. It's a piece of shit that completely locks up on me at least twice a night. I'm can't afford a new one right now so that's just how it is. If you'd like the full screenshots without the black lines I'd be happy to post them, but I thought maybe I'd make it easier to see what I was referencing without the 40 lines of shit I have in /tell from my refresh macro telling me who I got last and when I can recast or a shellmate telling me someone is taking a break from the game. I didn't really think that was any of your business either.

He absolutely said that it wasn't his issue. He said that he was with family and wouldn't deal with it. He said that I'd have to talk to Tanthalas or Cherron. You don't have to believe me, makes no difference to me, but I have no reason to lie.
 
If they happened to run over when they were actually scheduled to be there at 5 that would be one thing. But they weren't. A few weeks ago Absolute moved a run to Sandy because we didn't have the numbers to do another zone. RoR was scheduled to enter at midnight but we could have gotten the time extension and run over into their time. Are you saying that would be ok? It's ok to be on someone else's time and they just have to deal with it? Why do we have a schedule at all if no one needs to adhere to posted times?

Oh, and the fact that Tan used the "I don't know what's going on here I'm just a lead and blindly follow" card was real leader quality on his part. He KNEW their schedule wasn't known to anyone but them. Take the initiative and make sure you're not where you shouldn't be.

Oh, blow it out your ass. It doesn't matter if they were scheduled for 5 or not. That was the slot they were going to be scheduled for if the admins got off their ass and did something with some sort of urgency around here. You said yourself that it is their job to find an open time slot to go. Well look at that, 5 PM just happend to be clear as fucking day.

And yes, if one schedule accidentally flows into another, I find that to be perfectly ok. Predicting the future of when you get out of Dynamis isn't quite an exact science, so get over it.
 
The Dynamis Scheduling forum is a courtesy, not something to be strictly adhered to, no one "needs" clearance.

...if you wish to avoid conflict such as this though it would be a good idea to post up.

Shame about the zone and about the miscommunication.

Seems the problem's been fixed as far as the schedules go, from everyone's side and you should all just move along with your next zones as dictated by the schedules you choose to adhere to.

Nothing productive will come over pissing and moaning about this anymore.

GL to both shells on their next run. <3
 
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