Fleist

Achates said:
When I plan for dynamis runs if I see a run behind me that I know I might run into I send the leaders a tell in game so that they can prepare as a courtesy.

I think the biggest issue here is that everyone knows the schedules are public access but Fleist's shell didn't care. Yes, it rquired a little more work on his part, but he could have easily sent Dani or I a message saying there was a small chance they'd impeed on our schedule.

I was at work when this happened. I was not present in the game. I was not there for the conversations, but I do know that when there was a chance we would impeed on RoR's time we told them. We actually got out 4 minutes before they would have entered. Rari was nice about it and we worked it out. Fleist apparently from what I can see and hear from both his members and mine, didn't care.

Weak maybe. Wrong definitely. Fixable absolutely.

I was severely dissappoint that he blamed Audino though. Audino is only a moderator and everyone in the Dynamis area knows that. And I appologized to Audino for them using him as an excuse. That was wrong and I'd hope someone in their shell would appologize for that.
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Achates, please stop trying to manipulate the actions of that evening into some sort of vendetta against your shell. I (We, Fleist & Co.) could care less about Absolute as, it's in the past. This is about the evenings surrounding Saturday night. If you want to bring up the past, we should do so in a different flame. We could do a thread poll titled "Fleist or Achates" and see who gets the most support, but honestly you would eat dust. I have so much ammunition on you I could basically end the war in the middle east if I had to.

Dani, we've been nothing but nice to you. Tanth's words in the screen shot mean no disrespect, nor did my mobile AIM responses to your texts. In fact, Tanth apologized and said he'll make sure it doesn't happen again. I even said it was not intentional. What more can we do? I'm not going to step away from my meal (1 hour from my laptop) and drive home to deal with FF drama. I'm not going to excuse myself from the table for you or anyone else if FF as it's just rude to my brother and my family.

Honestly, I don't think this flame was anything but a campaign to slander me and the LS that I lead, or the people that pulled out of Absolute because of its leaders inability to reason. I've (We've / Fleist & Co.) already built a reputable name for Dreams and its members, and I don't need to put your shell down to make my shell look good. It houses some of the most amazing players I've met to date, and it makes me feel good to know that my accomplishments are their accomplishments.

I didn't blame Audino for anything, but what I did say was that I did what I was instructed to do and nothing happened. Did I say it was his fault that nothing happened? No. Dani and Audino, based on the screen shot, immediately made up their minds that because we were running a little into the Absolute time slot, that it was intentional and "fucked up" that I had not communicated our schedule on the forum or followed instructions to obtain access rights to that particular forum. I will not apologize for something you "magically" read in my post, because you tend to do that a lot and it's really irritating.

Best Regards,
 
Blazeoffury said:
Before you start nitpicking at Lec you should at least know his background check. He wasn't in JDA when that incident occurred, nor was it the JDA shell that interfered with your dynamis run, it was OneWingAngel. was it led by a JDA leader, yes, were JDA members in it, yes. But it was more than just JDA members it was japanese players from all shells not just JDA. You people are so quick to lump people into groups that you don't even look or think about what you're saying you just wanna make others look bad.
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Except you can tell everything you need to know about someone's character by the company he keeps. He's JDA, so he's scum. Were he at the incident, the outcomes would have been exactly the same. You don't join GayDA for reasons other than this...so yes, Audino was correct to point this out...Just like Ewhoremanwich was laughed out of here for complaining about a shell MPKing.
 
Rappa said:
People... talk about FFXI activities on AIM outside of FFXI? Hardcore troopers, I salute you.
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the truly hardcore do it at family get-togethers; me, Stine (my wife), Hornless (her sister), and Chrisaga (their brother) always turn the convo to some mission we're doing.

/flex
 
Tristam Green said:
the truly hardcore do it at family get-togethers; me, Stine (my wife), Hornless (her sister), and Chrisaga (their brother) always turn the convo to some mission we're doing.

/flex
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My RL friend went out for sushi the other night and talked about final gaynassy 11 for like 2 hours. It was truly a gay ol time.
 
I didn't read like 99% of this thread because I'm willing to bet it's a huge waste of my time, but Fleist has always been one of the better leaders to work with when it comes to scheduling/target conflicts. I know back in the day CK communicated with him on a number of occasions and he was always incredibly respectful and willing to change his plans to avoid conflict/clusterfucking at certain camps. Whatever the issue here is, I'm sure if Fleist was even remotely close to being in the wrong, he would have made it right.
 
Being a leader in Dynamis, the last thing you want to tell people is: Someone has entered our zone, they're not on the scheduling board. We're trying to figure out what's up so please be patient.

People are right, the scheduling forum is up for courtesy, not because its the in the Rules. It's something that we've all (mostly) agreed to go along with so that we don't have issues like this coming up.

We're all completely aware that these members can see the posts and schedules of other shells. If you were going to schedule a run before that of another, you should have made sure to get out in a good enough amount of time. Saying 'Oh well its only a 5-10-15-30 minute wait isn't that big of a deal', is crap. If you knew the time they were coming out and meant absolutely no harm to them you should have made sure to be out in a respectable amount of time. I think we've all had to do this before, not because its the rules, but because of common courtesy.

I can see that the majority of the weight of this issue falls on the mods for not giving Fleist posting access and you will not see me say otherwise. However, you are at fault as well. Knowingly taking another extension when you knew another shell was waiting was kind of a dick move.
 
Morwen said:
I can see that the majority of the weight of this issue falls on the mods for not giving Fleist posting access and you will not see me say otherwise.
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The issue falls on the administrators. Moderators don't have the ability to grant people such posting rights.
 
Hormiga said:
I wasn’t going to post this but the more I think about it the more it pisses me off.

Back story:

Fleist and Co. (Tanthalas, Dor, Kimaara, Cherron, Rari, Jefa – I’m sure I’m missing one or five) used to be in Absolute. Absolute is a Dynamis shell in which I am a lead. Fleist and Co. were unhappy with how the points and lotting system were set up and posted about it on our forum. In the end they were not happy with the answers they received and left the shell.

Fleist decided to start his own Dynamis shell, with Tanthalas and Cherron as his leads, and posted about it in the Linkshell Recruiting forum.

http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=53134
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First off, if you are going to name names, Please get your facts straight. Rari is an officer of Riders of Rohan LS. He has been a member of RoR, formerly Spiftastic Adventures, since June 11, 2007. The only reason he was in absolute stems from RoR only doing one run a week. He tried out your shell around Oct. 14, 2007 for his second weekly run and it didn't fit his style. He didn't leave to go start a new shell.

And what Rari said is right on the nail, we appreciate you guys exiting in a timely fashion, but just remember that you set the standard for which you judge everyone else.
 
Morwen said:
However, you are at fault as well. Knowingly taking another extension when you knew another shell was waiting was kind of a dick move.
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There is no way to not get the 30 min ext seeing as the final ext comes from the boss. What were we to tell the people who needed the win for northlands and were not doing a jeuno again till march at the earliest.. "Sorry guys were not getting win cause it has a 30 min ext"....?
 
Nugotugo said:
There is no way to not get the 30 min ext seeing as the final ext comes from the boss. What were we to tell the people who needed the win for northlands and were not doing a jeuno again till march at the earliest.. "Sorry guys were not getting win cause it has a 30 min ext"....?
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You guys entered at 5 p.m., right?
 
Audino said:
How fucking funny it is someone from JDA is putting in little quips in a thread about people taking up zones when they were scheduled. No, scheduling on here doesn't guarantee you the zone. It is a courtesy. Whats funny is that the shell that took our zones and Pers's zones many times on saturdays had a handful of people in there that could speak and read pretty good fucking English and never did shit to try and work something out.
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1. As BoF and My Sig Clearly Illustrate: I do -not- run with OneWingAngel for Dynamis.

2. As BoF said again, I wasn't running with JDA at the time of said incidences.

3. Seeing who -most- the "quality" people here on QCDN are who have something bad to say about JDA, I think I'm in better company with them and was a major influence on why I took the pearl and continue to wear it.

This isn't a matter of the company I keep, my "quip" was more or less at Feiid in regard to being a "character reference" when friend defenses don't really hold much water here.

And where exactly did I knock the idea of using and contributing to that specific part of the forum for you to get so butthurt? I was more or less saying it's a shame it wasn't settled, though when people as the OP expect the scheduling to be strictly adhered to and piss and moan when it isn't, it seems to be a forgotten fact that people don't have to use it.

I -do- agree it IS quite nice and things do run smoothly when people do try and adhere to this schedule, since most of the NA and some of the Euro shells DO post their schedules up and if I were a linkshell leader for a Dynamis shell, I'd see what effort could be made to be a team player and post up.

Do some of you forget that I haven't been playing the game long enough to not know half the crap you're talking about when you try and refer past incidences right?

I think you need to worry less about the company -I- keep and worry about keeping schedules up in a timely matter and making sure your prior was up-to-date on all schedules posted and requests made before he resigned his position.

You're a fair guy and a good leader from what I've gathered and I'll still say so to this day Aud, but tryina rag on me the people I run with over old shit I wasn't around for is weak, especially considering I wasn't in that Dynamis LS period.

Don't see me going around saying everyone in AG has a thumb up their ass, or Encore needs to work on their tanking when they don't have a certain awesome Galka on the front line who actually knows what he's doing or that some moron needs to stop trying to tank things on his own because shit's going too slow for him and his pussy's bleeding.

Frankly because I don't know the whole LS or it's members for me to be saying shit. Don't get the cute idea you can stereotype me, because I choose to run with people who've slighted you in the past. I'd like to know who you know in JDA who directly slighted you for you to have such a sore ass that you'd even think twice about trying to use that against me.

From what I see it was a Dynamis LS with some JDA members in it, and that's too bad, can't shove that onto me, because I was never a member of that Dynamis LS, and only bear any type of affiliation through the fact that some of my JDA LSmates are in that LS.

To Nugo: I think her point was, regardless of the extension after the boss, it would have been courteous to vacate the zone, so the other people could get on with their run and get their night over with.

However that's just what I get from what she's sayin' bro.

I'm no one to tell you that you can't farm longer after that extension is acquired...

Now go curl up so I can punt a Taru!
 
CST Times.
We entered at 4. We got quite a few extentions. Happened to overlap into Aboslute's time.
There's quite a few hours between our and Absolute's entrance time. However, some overlapping can still occur.
Should we have watched what zone we were entering that day? Yes.
But is it such a bad thing that we overlapped 30 minutes over their schedule? Not really.
This flame'd have some substance if Fleist made the attempt to schedule the same runs as Absolute (can't verify if he did or not, shell's site is blocked on school computers). But right now, it's just bitching.
 
I don't know why we can't all just put this behind us, have a group hug and all get along. :3
 
Lecreuset said:
I don't know why we can't all just put this behind us, have a group hug and all get along. :3
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I'd rather we did actually. This whole topic is pretty stupid :/
 
Xalioniaf said:
I'd rather we did actually. This whole topic is pretty stupid :/
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I'll give Audino and Jamal a hug if you don't cry when I ruffle your hair.
 
Excim said:
If I were to make a Dynamis run and out of spite keep another shell from going, I'd go in a little more than an hour before thier timeslot, not three. From all of the posts here, Fleist and Co. seem like standup people. Dani, you just look vindictive.
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Agreed, but then some people never seem to get much satisfaction out of this game unless they are hollaring bloody murder from the rooftops over the least little thing.
 
Xalioniaf said:
CST Times.
We entered at 4. We got quite a few extentions. Happened to overlap into Aboslute's time.
There's quite a few hours between our and Absolute's entrance time. However, some overlapping can still occur.
Should we have watched what zone we were entering that day? Yes.
But is it such a bad thing that we overlapped 30 minutes over their schedule? Not really.
This flame'd have some substance if Fleist made the attempt to schedule the same runs as Absolute (can't verify if he did or not, shell's site is blocked on school computers). But right now, it's just bitching.
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The thing is, your leader did choose 2 of Absolutes zones. Jeuno from the run you went 30 over in, and Windurst which audino posted. It may not be an intentional thing, however it would be a dick move if you guys carried over into Absolute's time frame.
 
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