Fleist

Blazeoffury said:
P.S. about the "Ewhoremanwich" and his "lolmpkwarning" who cares. Eor wouldn't mpk, nor would he stay in the alliance if it were to MPK to this day (something you can't say of yourself).
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Funny you'd say that. Ewhore STAYED in Dynamis while your shell stole a zone. Try again.

PS I don't mean trying to attack me or defend your arguments, I mean finding a server who gives a flying fuck what you do.
 
Cherron told me to respond to this with my morning coffee, so I am.

Dani,

I still hold no ill will against you. I still think this flame was taken out of proportion, but if it's an apology that will put this to bed, then I apologize. However, the back-story and the mention of former Absolute members related to me, was an unnecessary disclosure as it had nothing to do with our run bleeding into yours. Mentioning the other individuals, who have nothing to do with the incident, is almost like flaming them because "of the company they keep".

I still believe there's much animosity directed by your leadership to ours. All in all, you are correct that we left because of those issues, but more specifically it was as follows:

1. Absolute leadership did not keep an accurate account of records supporting total points by member and assumed no one would check. I did the calculation myself and found out that one leader overstuffed his points while the rest of the LS's points were significantly understated.

2. One leader continued to attain points even though he knew that he was unable to make runs going forward because of a work schedule change, but because the rules said that signing up on the forum constitutes 1 point, it was justification for him signing up on the forum and continually gaining points, even on an extended leave of absence.

3. When questioned about these irregularities, two of the leaders became defensive and decided that my questions were more of an attack of leadership and that "Fleist & Co." should be removed from the LS, merely because they were associated with me but not because they questioned things publicly or did anything wrong. There were a number campaigns asking members to vote to remove me/us from the shell for questioning the issues above, however sheep will be sheep and the people that remain in that LS probably still don't understand it.

We did not leave Absolute, we were removed. Many were either confused by what happened, but most of others aside from the "Fleist & Co.", held my questions in high regard and left the shell as well. Many of your former members added me to their friend list, and some of them ended up being Dreams/LoC members.

All in all, I'm not bitter over the whole Absolute back-story incident. I'm actually pretty happy that it happened because it drove us to do Dynamis as our own shell, it's being managed in a very similar way to most other shells and the structure is public and transparent, and any questions and suggestions by members are always welcome and considered and answered in a not-so-condescending manner.

So if you're going to judge me as a leader, then judge me based on my actions and not an assumption of basis on intention. I'll also gladly accept that you judge me on the company I keep, my pride in the LS i lead, the relationships I've had with other endgame leaders, the members of my various linkshells, and my drive to constitute fairness in all things I take responsibility for.
 
Hormiga said:
Fuck. Off. Jeska.

It's anything for attention isn't it? I can't even take anything you say seriously. You of all people to talk about some people never getting satisfaction unless they're "hollaring bloody murder from the rooftops over the least little thing" is laughable. You complain about EVERYTHING. Do I need to remind you of the HOURS of your bitching I listened to because I was too nice and felt bad for you because no one could stand your ass? Then when I finally stand up for myself and stop wasting my time helping you, pl'ing you, listening to you, being there for you, you continue your martyr act, oh poor pitiful Jeska someone else has wronged him/her. I'm so tired of you and your act. Do the people you spend your time with now know of all the shit you used to talk about them? Or do you just talk shit to them about the next people you're going to hang out with once these people drop you?
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buahahahahah Made my morning reading this, and it's so true. lol. :biggrin:
 
jamal said:
Funny you'd say that. Ewhore STAYED in Dynamis while your shell stole a zone. Try again.

PS I don't mean trying to attack me or defend your arguments, I mean finding a server who gives a flying fuck what you do.
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The only reason we were even overlapping into your zone was because someone overlapped into ours, read the thread and keep trying, it wasn't a purposeful steal.
 
Blazeoffury said:
The only reason we were even overlapping into your zone was because someone overlapped into ours, read the thread and keep trying, it wasn't a purposeful steal.
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Someone wronging you doesn't absolve you from guilt in stealing ours.
 
jamal said:
Someone wronging you doesn't absolve you from guilt in stealing ours.
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Accept it wasn't a steal, we went over 45minutes. You make it sound as if we went in an hour before you.
 
So if you go into a zone 3 hours before another shell and happen to get the last extension, people are not allowed to take full advantage of it and get kicked out when the duration of the extension is over?

Going into dynamis 3 hours before another shell is a pretty good buffer in my opinion.
If they wanted to be exceptional dicks then they'd go take every zone Absolute was scheduled to do.
From what I gather, Fleist is not like that and made the dynamis run time schedule 3 hours prior to Absolute's. True, 3 hours is ample time to get alot of kills and maybe a good number of AF2. It can also take them 3 hours to get the boss win depending on how the run was going.
If they get the win then the boss also gives them an extension. This extension is their choice whether to take full advantage and farm for the duration of the extension or they can vacate the zone if another shell was supposed to start soon.
It is not an obligation to vacate the zone they reserved for another linkshell. It is more or less courtesy. I do wonder if people see that.

If the run bleeds into another shell's time, then its up to the leaders of both shells to communicate and work something out.
Rather than jumping down another person's throat for their run bleeding into your shell's run time, you should have at least remained civil and calm.
Alot of stuff can happen during a dynamis run and it is not unusual for another shell's run bleeding into another's run time. If you can accept that then this should not be a huge issue.
Heck I'm sure your shell, Absolute, reserves zones for a good amount of time.
Would your shell vacate the zone for another shell if Absolute's run was close to taking some time away from the other shell's run time?
Even if most of the other shell's members were not gathered ready to go?
If you answer no then you are in no position to flame Dreams.

If you are going to flame people for even posting their opinions, then go start a new thread.
 
Jeska said:
Hormiga or Dani or whatever guise you wannabe this week, relax and cool down and stick to the topic at hand please, your pitiful little outbursts only make yourself look more of a whiner and less of a reliable source for any kind of information here. I can play the hurt person of yesteryear if you wanna go that route but it has nothing to do with this topic at hand so grow up and stick to the facts please.
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stick to what facts? The fact that you threw a barb at her and she isn't allowed to try to defend herself? Or the fact that you are more of a whiner and bitch about everyone in your damn linkshell to everyone more so than I do on QCDN.

Dani is more helpful and honest than most are in this game. You on the otherhand throw these oh woe is me comments half the damn time, where half your damn linkshell asks you to STFU. Seriously half of them hate you and want you gone. I'm suprised you lasted so long, being such a shit ass pld and a whm that cannot erase if your life depended on it for kirin. Didn't you ever wonder why people hated seeing you on PLD? Or cringed when you were their main tank, because the Galka PLD and I went other jobs?

Don't try this coy little "Hey i can throw barbs but not you" bullshit, it isn't cool.

Ontopic, at least now Fleist has a schedule on QCDN so hopefully this overlap wont happen lawl.
 
jyakotsu said:
stick to what facts? The fact that you threw a barb at her and she isn't allowed to try to defend herself? Or the fact that you are more of a whiner and bitch about everyone in your damn linkshell to everyone more so than I do on QCDN.

Dani is more helpful and honest than most are in this game. You on the otherhand throw these oh woe is me comments half the damn time, where half your damn linkshell asks you to STFU. Seriously half of them hate you and want you gone. I'm suprised you lasted so long, being such a shit ass pld and a whm that cannot erase if your life depended on it for kirin. Didn't you ever wonder why people hated seeing you on PLD? Or cringed when you were their main tank, because the Galka PLD and I went other jobs?

Don't try this coy little "Hey i can throw barbs but not you" bullshit, it isn't cool.

Ontopic, at least now Fleist has a schedule on QCDN so hopefully this overlap wont happen lawl.
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Jya don't get Fury involved in this and from what I remember HALF the ls has no problem with him/her/whatever. Everyone can make their bitch ass comments if they want to. We had our own little tirade for awhile if you remember correctly about carrying the weight of being the main blms. The past is past and should be left that way, but don't come in here and try to speak on behalf of the ls when you already left.

On topic, sorry that had to happen since I experienced something similar when Sirfang's shell was running Sandy when we were supposed to go in at 8:30pm PST. The situation was resolved in a respectable manner thankfully.
 
I think she meant stick to the facts for the thread itself.
Jeska was not the subject of this flame.

Dani or Hormiga was the one who went on a tirade for a dynamis run.
To me, that type of happening is not unusual and its not really flame-worthy.
Read some of the responses, you'll see that people are telling her its not a big deal.
They ran over their expected end time, what is the big deal? It happens and if stuff like that does happen, its best to take it with a grain of salt.
When I first read this flame, I thought it was basically nothing more than a rant or whining about a small thing with some emotional baggage.

And to me, that's all it is.
 
jyakotsu said:
stick to what facts? The fact that you threw a barb at her and she isn't allowed to try to defend herself? Or the fact that you are more of a whiner and bitch about everyone in your damn linkshell to everyone more so than I do on QCDN.

Dani is more helpful and honest than most are in this game. You on the otherhand throw these oh woe is me comments half the damn time, where half your damn linkshell asks you to STFU. Seriously half of them hate you and want you gone. I'm suprised you lasted so long, being such a shit ass pld and a whm that cannot erase if your life depended on it for kirin. Didn't you ever wonder why people hated seeing you on PLD? Or cringed when you were their main tank, because the Galka PLD and I went other jobs?

Don't try this coy little "Hey i can throw barbs but not you" bullshit, it isn't cool.

Ontopic, at least now Fleist has a schedule on QCDN so hopefully this overlap wont happen lawl.
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QFT.



Raesylil said:
Jeska was not the subject of this flame.
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This one sure brings back memories: http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=43195&highlight=Jeska



On Topic: Yeah it sucks
 
/sigh.....Jeska was not the subject of this one, the one that is flaming Fleist.
You don't like her? That's fine, that's your issue not mine.

I don't know Jeska besides partying with her once. At least on the boards she sounds like a normal person.
 
Rari said:
You appear to be setting a double standard, Dani, and people here are not buying it. While I will not argue for or against your case against Dreams, Absolute’s presence in a zone that they did not sign up for is just as disrespectful of the schedule as you are accusing Dreams of being, if not more! And, just I wrote above, sending a tell hours before another shell is scheduled to enter a zone that Absolute decides to enter on a last minute whim, pales in comparison to posting weeks in advance on the forum. If you want others to give you the courtesy of notification through QCDN, then you need to do the same and stick to it. Wasn’t it you that questioned:

If you do not wish to play this discussion out again, I would suggest that next time Absolute changes their plan that they either pick a zone that a shell is about to leave or that will not be occupied at all later that evening. Or, even, just give your members the night off. (Being that you were lacking in numbers in the first place.)
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Zone changes happen. The issue here was that you were told and that the shell in front of you made sure to leave before your posted time. In our case, there was no public schedule posted in any manner to other leaders, and the shell didn't give a shit. I again say Tant was the best leader Dreams had that night and he even admitted the situation was wrong. We simply are pressing for people to understand that a little communication solves 99% of the issues. I'd hope the admins realize how much they fucked up by not giving Fleist's access request in a timely manner.

I am very impressed that Fleist learned the words "I'm sorry".
 
Edit: because I apparently cant work buttons. D:

This flame was meant for Fleist/Dreams dynamis. If you got a problem with Jeska, that sucks, but either ignore him or go start your own damn flame.
 
Achates said:
Zone changes happen. The issue here was that you were told and that the shell in front of you made sure to leave before your posted time. In our case, there was no public schedule posted in any manner to other leaders, and the shell didn't give a shit. I again say Tant was the best leader Dreams had that night and he even admitted the situation was wrong. We simply are pressing for people to understand that a little communication solves 99% of the issues. I'd hope the admins realize how much they fucked up by not giving Fleist's access request in a timely manner.

I am very impressed that Fleist learned the words "I'm sorry".
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RidersOfRohan was not told in the same time frame or manner you are requesting another shell to do. Leaving a zone when another shell is scheduled to enter it, as posted on QCDN, is appreciated. But the fact that you did not request said zone and even had a different zone reserved in the first place, only puts you in the same boat as those you are griping about and weakens your case against them. And nonchalantly stating:
Achates said:
Zone changes happen.
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follows the same logic and tone of what other posts here have already stated; "going over happens." So was it really Fleist that needed to apologize or the admins? (That's a rhetorical question.) The sticky for the January schedule isn't even up yet... and the month is already half way through.

I agree, communication will solve most issues. But you are forgetting that timeliness will help with the rest. I know, in part, how your shell is/was structured. Do not try hiding behind a thin disguise of "we told you." You knew at least 24hrs prior to your entrance time that you might be lacking numbers per your own forum's sign up threads. And if still wanting to take on a dynamis zone, could have notified QCDN mods or admins of the change for others to see in advance. Please point that request out to me. I could not find it in the schedule threads. Announcing that you are changing zones, while doing so, is just as bad as not saying anything at all and still changing zones; as you are still not adhering to the posted schedule. And as Dani (a fellow officer of your shell) had already wrote, "Why have a schedule if no one is going to stick to it?"
 
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