Florida Teenager Commits Suicide LIVE on the internet.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7743214.stm

I think thats pretty messed up that those watching didnt try to do something to help, But then again we live in an age where stuff like this is generally a hoax and little could we know if its real or not, its pretty fucked up and sick though that people were in the chatroom trying to convince him to do it while others tried to stop him, those who watched it and now know for sure it was real have a haunting image to live with for the rest of their lives. Especially those who tried to convince him to do it.
 
I blame Lonelygirl15 (I think that's right .... )
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7743214.stm

I think thats pretty messed up that those watching didnt try to do something to help, But then again we live in an age where stuff like this is generally a hoax and little could we know if its real or not, its pretty fucked up and sick though that people were in the chatroom trying to convince him to do it while others tried to stop him, those who watched it and now know for sure it was real have a haunting image to live with for the rest of their lives. Especially those who tried to convince him to do it.

Technically those who tried to convince him could be considered accessories to suicide.

Those who watched and didn't do anything to prevent it are textbook egoists. The egoists believe that man is (or should be depending on if its psychological or ethical) motivated by self-interest. They willingly and knowingly watched this person kill themselves and did nothing to stop it or prevent it.
 
Yeah pretty fucked up if you ask me, someone should've done SOMETHING to prevent this...........
 
So thats why they kept posting screencaps on 4chan...
 
I can offer a unique perspective here.

1. This is a terrible, terrible thing to have happened.
2. Now you see why we're strict about simple statements that even refer to the idea of suicide.

Seems to be an unfortunate rash of suicides lately... condolences to the families.
 
I'm not really inclined to feel sorry for this kid, sucks for his family though. I just think if you're gonna kill yourself over the internet, then I personally thank you for making the world a better place with your passing. You weren't worth keeping.
 
I'm not really inclined to feel sorry for this kid, sucks for his family though. I just think if you're gonna kill yourself over the internet, then I personally thank you for making the world a better place with your passing. You weren't worth keeping.

Because there are never complicating factors... or the assumption that people are always in their right mind. Callus remarks are easy to cast out when you look through rose colored glasses.
 
to say they are better off out of the world is pretty messed up, you have no idea what was going on with that person, He was BI POLAR, My father and my brother are BI Polar, Im lucky to have recieved a mild case that is simply just random bouts of depression, i was the first person in my entire family medicated for it after my nearly successful suicide attempt. I did die, but my friend happened to come over at the moment i passed out and saved my life, It was an idiotic move and im no longer on the medication simply by choice, i have learned to overcome my depressions on my own as hard as it was to get to this point, But thats me. And i can say i know how it feels.
It takes alot to get you to the point where you just dont think you can stand another moment in the world.
And what do you always hear?
"He was always happy, i never imagined anything was wrong or why they would take their life it just doesnt make sense"
most of these people hide whats going on with them from their family and friends and pretend its all okay, had i not recovered i know my family would say the same thing because all the problems i had, were hidden from everyone but myself.
Because i simply assumed they wouldnt listen to me if i tried.
But thats also mostly people who have control over how they show it.

When you are bi polar, you are not in total control. My dad was the meanest, laziest most upsetting person i have ever known (until i got married), and i openly admitted to being jealous of my brothers and sisters because when he was diagnosed and medicated, he became the dad i never had to them and i was already moved out, he does things with my own kids he never did with me, But am i spiteful? Angry? Nope. Very forgiving, those days are gone and im not gonna dwell on them.
But when my dad forgets his medication, he is nothing but angry all the time over ANYTHING he can find to be angry about, simple things like dirty dishes cause a war.

When you are bi polar you only focus on the bad things and they make you more and more depressed, you can be fine one second, and a total wreck the next.
Its even practiced amongst most religions that if a bi polar person commits suicide, they will not generally be condemned to hell. I dont know the full specifics of why they believe that, but the medical reasons im sure have more than enough to do with it and how it puts them into that state of mind.

This kid had a very tough to deal with mental disease, maybe he took his life because he couldnt deal with it anymore, maybe he didnt take his meds like he was supposed to.

But bi-polar or not, people who claim those who commit suicide were a waste of space make me sick, ive lost friends to this crap because too much piles up on them and they think its the end of the world. Unless you know what that state of mind feels like, to actually be driven to that point, you will never understand it. You can never know what they were going through, and regardless of their actions there are plenty of people who would take their own life to have them back again.
Ive been there, i learned my lesson by seeing all the things i would have missed out on. I was lucky, damn lucky.
And i swore no matter how hard it gets i will never come to that point again, and trust me i have been through much worse since those days, But i always find a way to look on the bright side.
Some people are not so lucky to learn before they act or have that second chance.
But unless you know what its like, please dont speak on the behalf of someone whos life was of value to many others than your own.
Just because your looking through the window, doesnt mean youll be invited for supper.
 
Good post Chasym. I really wanted to give more detail, but you did a much better and more thorough job than I could have even attempted.

Glad to hear things are much happier these days!
 
I think the website that hosted these images/video are to blame as well. Well, not blame for what happened but for allowing the blog to go on, and then allowing the images/video to go on as well. Im not saying they knew what was going on, but theyre should be some sort of regulation going on. The site mods/owners are partially responsible for whats on THEIR site, which explains why mods here close/lock/delete shit because its a reflection them and its their responsibility to do so to regulate whatever goes on this site.

Those site mods should receive some sort of penalty or be stripped of their rights as mods or something. If some shit like that was going on here im sure the mods wouldve removed it or done something about it.
 
There are special cases for everything, we all know that. Stating ONE case does not excuse the rest of the selfish acts people like this commit everyday. I'm not gonna be one of those people who tells my horrible life experiences on the forum, I'll just simply say I do know what its like. I wouldn't want anyone to feel sorry for me if I went through with it, luckily I actually love those in my life not to.

I'd like to think that anyone who just doesn't care about life or their loved ones will just do it, flat out do it. Like my cousin did when he hung himself in his closet, not get on a fucking webcam and broadcast it to every retard in that chatroom who were also egging it on and "LOL'ing" it up when the cops got in there. I dont know if you guys saw those screen caps though. So yes in this day and age, you kill yourself for an audience, you just made my morning brighter.
 
I don't understand why the authorities are "looking into this". I am sorry for his family's loss, and the situation sucks due to the circumstances, but only he is liable for his actions; no one else is to blame. He declared intent to commit suicide, and there was no way to know whether or not it was a hoax. As such, the people who posted in the chat room can't, and won't, be convicted of assisted, or accessory to, suicide.

I am not, of course, condoning what people may have said to "egg him on", but I don't see why anyone should blame them because I guarantee you that most of them didn't think he would actually do it. Though, the people who were "LOLing it up" I would personally like to smack across the face, but I am fairly sure that they are beating themselves right now in regret and disgust in themselves.

So unless one of those online users gave him the pills, or told him how he should kill himself (I'm assuming he announced how he was going to kill himself on his blog), only he is responsible for his suicide, no matter the circumstances. It sucks, but in this case there is no reason to go out on a witch hunt to take down as many people as possible.

That's just my opinion, though.
 
There are special cases for everything, we all know that. Stating ONE case does not excuse the rest of the selfish acts people like this commit everyday. I'm not gonna be one of those people who tells my horrible life experiences on the forum, I'll just simply say I do know what its like. I wouldn't want anyone to feel sorry for me if I went through with it, luckily I actually love those in my life not to.

I'd like to think that anyone who just doesn't care about life or their loved ones will just do it, flat out do it. Like my cousin did when he hung himself in his closet, not get on a fucking webcam and broadcast it to every retard in that chatroom who were also egging it on and "LOL'ing" it up when the cops got in there. I dont know if you guys saw those screen caps though. So yes in this day and age, you kill yourself for an audience, you just made my morning brighter.

lol Sausage. You always have the most pleasant way of putting things :p

I will have to agree with you on one thing though... doing it infront of a live audience? Possibly scarring people who watched thinking it was a hoax? My sister is bipolar as well so I know what the deal is but bipolar does not equal callous of other people's feelings and future well being. This is not someone who ended their life in private. It is a very sad thing, and while some could easily say "well, it serves them right for watching", I feel bad for the people who were subjected to it (although quite disgusted that people would egg him on to do it).

My condolences to this man's family.
 
Complete shame. Some movies released in the last couple years have similar plots to what occurred in this tragedy.

I think society today has lost touch. We've become so desensitized that the extremes in which some will go to make themselves known or noticed (not saying he wanted front page) is becoming less and less shocking overall. That in itself is a shame.

I wish someone would have had the sense to have contacted someone regarding the threats. Even if it had only turned out to be a hoax.

I feel for this young mans family.
 
There are special cases for everything, we all know that. Stating ONE case does not excuse the rest of the selfish acts people like this commit everyday. I'm not gonna be one of those people who tells my horrible life experiences on the forum, I'll just simply say I do know what its like. I wouldn't want anyone to feel sorry for me if I went through with it, luckily I actually love those in my life not to.

I'd like to think that anyone who just doesn't care about life or their loved ones will just do it, flat out do it. Like my cousin did when he hung himself in his closet, not get on a fucking webcam and broadcast it to every retard in that chatroom who were also egging it on and "LOL'ing" it up when the cops got in there. I dont know if you guys saw those screen caps though. So yes in this day and age, you kill yourself for an audience, you just made my morning brighter.

What remains is that even if you understand the feelings he may have been having on one side of the coin, you don't really understand several aspects of simple human nature. You're right, sighting one case can't justify this, and suicide on any level is flat out selfish. Had you left it at this, I'd agree with you.

What you fail to dispassionately consider is who was he? what was he about? how does he think? He was aspiring to be a great deal of many things if you've read continuing reports. This matches with the common human aspect of a need or desire to make something of yourself, which most people can only feel if they know what they did will continue on after them. Often this is resolved by many in seeing their offspring grow up and become successful, sometimes its doing important things (making a successful business, becoming president of a business or nation, etc). He obviously felt a desire to make this happen, while still having these issues that brought him to a misguided end. It hardly makes him worth any more or less than you (or myself for that matter) as far as this world is concerned (especially if you haven't done anything that directly affects millions of people).

So before you can just say if this guy was gonna do it, this is how he should have done it instead; consider that you can't possible have a clue to all the factors behind who and what he is. This isn't to insult you, I could hardly guess any better than you. If you have to say that you think this is stupid and selfish, do it. Again, I agree. There is a ton of support for people with these issues and I hope that people take and are given the chance to get this help, be it friends/family or via medications. But have enough compassion to not make yourself out to be a depraved individual. There's a difference in being "heartless" to seem cool and being truly uncompassionate, which if you are the latter I hope you get the help you need.
 
Actually there were viewers that did try to do something. There were people that actually called the cops. I didn't watch, but I know for a fact cops were called and not just by admins of the website. More like a website that he posted all of his suicide threats on and even his alleged running away from home.

What he took also wasn't the first time that he took what he did. Iirc it was benzos, wine, and some other pills.
 
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