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Eleibfrid said:
One night she told me on AIM that people in the linkshell were accusing her of stealing a Maneater and another item or whatever from Neogearzx's account. I believed her, why wouldn't I? After telling her things like "Just tell them the truth", "Dont put up with bullshit like that", she told me "I'm a piece of shit, I really did do that. I thought he was quitting/deleting character.." or something to that effect. I heard she gave the items back and all was done and over with, it just surprised me that when this came up last night, that she didn't learn the first time.
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Saying this once, and only once. If for some god forsaken reason my mind was so clouded over I said the wrong name, then sorry. You know I'm a total airhead and screw up at times. But I didn't rob Neogearzx, ever. I very rarely talk to the guy, as cool as he is. He's not on my friendslist, let alone would I have his account info. Moreso, you say I stole his Maneater or some crap - isn't his WAR like, level 37?

Karihkinz said:
Yes I realize this. And lets all go back to WHO brought that up and the fact that Neo has only mentioned him self as a way to show her that she can resort to personal attacks if she wants to but he wanted to know the truth. Not one single comment has been made about anything mish shared with neo in confidence. As I have said NUMEROUS times she did so with melicious intent to pull the topic off its tracks and get the attention off the main problem.
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Stop assuming the absolute worst of everyone. I'm going to leave it at that. Not everyone in the world is evil, Kari. Stop bitching about people playing victim when you keep accusing me of being a "victimizer". I've already explained to you "why I did it" and "what happened", you've just ignored it something like half a dozen times. You needto put in at least a very slight amount of effort dear, cause I sure as hell am not repeating me reasons another half dozen times for you.


Mirewen said:
This is kinda funny. He got his shit jacked and everyone is making him look like the bad guy. You're right, he shuold have brought it up when it happened like I asked him to. But he was too hurt because he trusted her. Bad Neo, BAD for trusting someone you thought was your friend!
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Bad, bad me for returning the stuff immediately. Bad, bad me for admitting I made a mistake I badly regret. Please, crucify me for correcting me mistake! Seriously, a lot of you are reacting to this worse than you did to other people who stole entire accounts and kept all the stuff, let alone some idiotic miscommunication between two people that was allegy forgiven months ago.

Really, all you people are doing now is bitching for the sake of bitching. "OMG U GAVE BACK DIFFERENT DUSK GLOVES U SCAMMR". It's a pair of goddamn digital gloves. One isn't different from the other, why does it even matter that I gave him different ones? I wanted to give him back some dusk gloves. I gave back some dusk gloves. How does that make me such a scumbag?

Dowzer, I can't believe you of all people believe this bullsh-!t. You've let me borrow your KClub for god's sake. -_-



Regarding my "bringing up RL issues" to this, it is in fact a major factor - that's entirely why he left them out, more likely than not. I'm sorry, but it is...there is in fact many things he may not remember saying or doing due to [insert habit here, not saying since it's obviously a personal attack, omgf] - I think that's a very important point to this and if you don't see how, well, I guess I can explain to you in PM or something if you can't grasp that.

Meeze said:
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I've never "stolen", if you want to call it that, before this case. You can keep on sticking to this thought for whatever reason you want, but just because you think it, doesn't make it true. I'm hoping Neogearzx sees this and laughs cause you, Ele, Mire, and the rest of you somehow seeing this as true because Eleibfrid (who I so coincidentally have had AIM troubles with as well), posted some idiotic lie. Neosquall->Neogearzx? Seriously, is it really that hard not to figure that one out?


Legomyeggo said:
Damn, son. That's it. You got me. I'm doing this because I can't get with some whiny chick addicted to a game. Whatever shall I do.

Psst. That's really NOT it. I think that's the best part.
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Oh jesus christ, there's half a dozen people who've seen the crap you've said to me in multiple AIM conversations, and I know there's at least one person here who can especially vouch for me if she wanted, even if she does hate my guts.


Kari said:
*shrug* I was originally asking her, as while your responses could very well be it, you can't possibly know the true reason. It was drawn out for a period of time that extends a panic split second response. I still think you are rather biased since you guys are good friends and as I've said, thats completely cool and I understand that. I'm not on sides really, I just see one person talking camly and continually restating the same thing. Then I see one person pulling out personal attacks and behaving very aggressivly. So the thought process leads me to believe from experience that Mish would be, perhaps, the more guilty party of the two.
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I've said this before too: My friends may be biased because they're my friends, but aren't you being completely biased because you hate me for our past arguments? You completely disregard any and every thing I say as bullcrap. I'll ask you this straight-out: If I wanted to steal his crap, why did I return it, why did I "steal" so little, and why the hell did he decide not to post about it immediately? Because it's not at all what happened, no matter how much you hope it is.


This thread is a going in circles, and should seriously be closed. It's the same people (Primarily Neo, Kari and Mire) asking the exact same crap over and over, and once answered, they call me a liar. Nothing will appease them until they hear some twisted crap they want to hear. Guess what guys, you may hate me, but that's just too bad. I didn't make some master scheme and I most certainly didn't become his friend in hopes of stealing crap like he's trying to say I am. You wanna keep burying your heads in the sand and going "la la la" til I make some lie about what happened that'll make you smile? Well I hope you can hold that tune for a long time, because that's all you're gonna be hearing from now on.

Neo says he's blocked me but I see him on AIM (did they change how AIM works? I thiought if blocking you they say offline?) but all the same doesn't wish this discuss this in spite of him seeming to want to here. So...I'd hafto say this thread is done, so please lock it.
 
Skaw said:
But, you handed over the account and said you were quitting.
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just like Mire said it doesn't have anything to do with him saying hes quitting. I have his account info and he tells me about his thoughts of quitting all the time but i have never even thought about going on his char taking his stuff. Then saying i never touched his char hell i usually tell him i'm haxing his char as i borrow gear cause the bastard never logs off Yahoo
 
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Mishaela said:
Bad, bad me for returning the stuff immediately. Bad, bad me for admitting I made a mistake I badly regret. Please, crucify me for correcting me mistake! Seriously, a lot of you are reacting to this worse than you did to other people who stole entire accounts and kept all the stuff, let alone some idiotic miscommunication between two people that was allegy forgiven months ago.
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How about not taking things that aren't yours in the first place. Stop acting like the victim all the time, it gets old.
 
Mirewen said:
How about not taking things that aren't yours in the first place. Stop acting like the victim all the time, it gets old.
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You're blowing off the whole part where he said it was OK...you know what, I'm not gonna bother anymore. You keep living in your little world where people plot for half a year and simply say "curses, foiled!" when caught. Seriously, this isn't Wacky Races or some crap.
 
Naw I think the epic post that was made earlier really just summed things up. Keep grabbing at straws, they'll all come up short.
 
Mishaela said:
You're blowing off the whole part where he said it was OK...you know what, I'm not gonna bother anymore. You keep living in your little world where people plot for half a year and simply say "curses, foiled!" when caught. Seriously, this isn't Wacky Races or some crap.
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Nyah ha ha ha! I got your osode!

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What epic post? So far I've seen 38 pages of epic fail. If that's what you mean.
 
Malagra said:
How anyone is surprised by this blows my fucking mind.
And how this... thing... is still a "respected player of Quetzalcoatl" absolutely sickens me, and I don't even play anymore.

This is Classic Mish. This is the same person she was when I started the game over 2 years ago, and she hasn't changed a bit.

Mish in a nutshell:
Nothing happens, she whines and bitches.
Something good happens, she whines and bitches.
Something bad happens, she whines and bitches.
She gets caught in something unscrupulous, she passes the buck.

Seriously, read her public post history on QCDN. This post could have happened with a similar event or someone calling her out on being a drama queen and an attention whore. And it has. The only people defending her are friends she hasn't fucked over yet, the "pics or it didn't happen" brigade, and the devil's advocate trolls (surprised Firestreak hasn't shown up yet).

From her dozens (hundreds?) of "I'm going through a rough time in my life, so I'm going to quit, and I'm implying I'm suicidal so you all need to write good things about me so you don't feel guilty" and the subsequent "It's been a week and I'm back, how much did you all miss little old beloved me?", to where she flames her friends "Fuck you friends. You took time out of your precious lives to help me camp an NM, something that really only has real benefits for me, but you guys are kind enough to help me with it, but since you have a life, you can't stay up all night for the pop. And when it popped, you all weren't there, some friends you are, jackasses! Fuck you." that she tried to pass off as a "joke", how is something like this unexpected?

It's like being shocked that Neolink stalks and harasses people, and makes sockpuppets, or that Pandetech shouted a lot.

She's worse than RMT in my book. At least they don't go to any great lengths to hide who and what they are. Mish will ingratiate herself to you without doing anything, guilt you into doing something for her, but when it's time for her to return the favour, she screws you over. When it's time to show the same kindness she's received, she only has cold words for these people, unless she thinks you can and will do something else for her.

She's a parasite, a leech, and a disgrace.
As for why this thread was made so long after the fact, well here's a thought, and a comparison, one that'll especially hit close to home for our Canucks in the audience.

Excepting the fact that it's illegal, why did that man expose his juniour hockey coach for sexually abusing him so long after the actual incident happened?
1.) He was embarassed. Would also fit with this, since Neo was a huge "you idiot don't give out your info"
2.) He was shocked that this could happen. Also fits with Neo since he trusted her well enough to give her his account info.
3.) He wanted to warn the populace, and expose his offender for what kind of person he really was. Also fits Neo.
4.) He wanted to give a voice, and a place for other people who had the same thing happen to them be heard. What better place than the Flameboard. Actually, isn't that what the FB is all about?

In a very real sense, Mish violated Neo's char. It can't be undone, no matter how many apologies (real or fake) are made, it's left a scar on their friendship(not that it exists anymore), it's hurt Neo's ability to trust people, and something was done to him/his char without his consent. The only big difference I can tell, besides it being a GAME of course, is that the sexual abuse victim didn't have a private locker room, and didn't give the coach a key for it.

Somebody's gonna say (or has said) "she can't help it, she's just a victim, she has a problem, it's not her fault. does the kitten mean it when she scratches you?" And the response is, yes it is her fault, regardless of any problems she has. She makes a conscious decision to act the way she does. And if it's such a problem, can we stage an intervention to delete/ban her QCDN account and FFXI account+characters? Cause I think that'd be a big step in the right direction for everyone involved.
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I think this should be on every page.
 
I don't understand how this is being called stealing by so many people. Why do you give out your account info in the first place. So someone can use your character and or gear.

My brother lent my car to his girlfriend while I was away at school and she dented it. I didn't accuse him of stealing my car, I just said he had no right to lend out something that wasn't his. That's the only real infraction here to me.

Making it out to be like she stole his gil, or stole his gear and sold it is nonsense. If someone had my acct info, I'd have no problem with someone using my gear. Selling it or stealing my gil is something totally different. I would have a problem with someone lending it out because I didn't personally trust that person that way. Like I said that's the only infraction I see, making this into someone stole my stuff is off base.
 
Aaleel said:
I don't understand how this is being called stealing by so many people. Why do you give out your account info in the first place. So someone can use your character and or gear.

My brother lent my car to his girlfriend while I was away at school and she dented it. I didn't accuse him of stealing my car, I just said he had no right to lend out something that wasn't his. That's the only real infraction here to me.

Making it out to be like she stole his gil, or stole his gear and sold it is nonsense. If someone had my acct info, I'd have no problem with someone using my gear. Selling it or stealing my gil is something totally different. I would have a problem with someone lending it out because I didn't personally trust that person that way. Like I said that's the only infraction I see, making this into someone stole my stuff is off base.
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Except that there was an understanding that gear that was going to be borrowed would be borrowed after consent was given and used for personal reasons.

Nobody said that she stole his gil, or sold the items, but she did take the gear from the character without consent, and taking items w/o someone's consent tends to be considered stealing.
 
Ewok said:
Ok, first off, this is a horrible comparison. Child molester does not equal thief. I've had things stolen from me in rl, even from a "close" friend. Guess what, I am not seeing a shrink about it. OMG, I am so brave. People who have been sexually abused, especially at a young age, have psychological issues with it for the rest of their lives. While your at it, why not compare her to a mass-murderer. You PHAIL
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Captain! We have a breach of stupid in the thread! I'll do my best to quarantine it.

Next you're going to say that rape only happens because people are horny and can't get laid, and control has nothing to do with it.

Speaking of "phailing", here's a concept you seem to fail to understand. Scope.
For example: guy walks into a store, steals a $1 pack of gum.
1 million guys walk into a different store, each stealing a single $1 pack of gum.
$1 theft vs. $1 million theft. Can't be compared. Completely different. Err wait, no. They're *strikingly* similar. In fact, arguably the biggest two differences are the financial hit, and the amount of time it takes to recover from said financial loss. So the scope of the damages is higher on the $1 million theft. Common sense, no?

Example 2:
We have 2 renovation projects here. We'll call them Project A and Project B for simplicity's sake.
Project A: You go to a Tree Garden, pick up a sapling, and plant it in your front yard. So you need a shovel, some work gloves, a truck, and that's about it.
Project B: You go to a Tree Garden, and for some reason, you buy a fully grown Oak. You'll need a heavy duty truck to ship it in, probably a crane to lift it in and out of the truck, machinery to dig the giant hole, a carefully planned route if you're going through the city (ie no overpasses, tunnels, etc.), more than one person. There's a lot more things to worry about, and it'll take a lot more time, money and effort to carry out Project B versus Project A. Thus the scope of the project is bigger.
So it takes more time to move a fully grown Oak tree, than a sapling. Again, common sense to the rescue.

Let's do a relevant example. For argument's sake, that influenza and pnuemonia have the same early symptons. So it would be difficult to tell one from the other in the early stages of the disease. However when it progresses, the symptoms became far worse than the flu would account for. The same symptoms mind, but just worse. Like a comparison between headaches and migraines. That's kind of what I mean here. Stealing basically your entire FFXI item career, is like the flu, whereas being sexually abused is like pnuemonia.
Flu is rarely fatal in modern times, but pnuemonia has a much higher fatality rate. (Yes I'm aware influenza killed more people in 1918 than WWI.)

We, in the English language, call these concepts "analogous". Meaning you can draw analogies between the two. There are legitimate comparisons to be made (apples & pears vs. apples & oranges). You can draw parallels between the two.

Now let's read your post again. You're saying that you have had an item, or items stolen from you in past in much the same fashion as Neo. But that you didn't need to go see a psychiatrist, and a fair percentage of sexually abused victims do. So you're saying that the psychological damage from having an item stolen from your account was less than being sexually abused? So the scope of the damage is less. Great Odin's Raven, you might be on to something.

So in one small post, you managed to not only prove a point for me (albeit one I didn't think needed proving because it was goddamned blatantly obvious, but I'll give credit where credit is due), make yourself look like an idiot and a liar (how can I be failing when you're elaborating on the very same statement without changing it?).
You might not get this whole comparison/analogy/metaphor thing, but damn, can you ever multitask.
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She was a very good friend, she'd help me get through things and we'd share stories about our miserable lives (I will not reveal any of these stories, in hopes of keeping this as far away from a personal attack as possible and I hope she does the same too). Well around the time of my big move I didn't feel like getting on much and there were things she wanted in the game. So I figured: "Hey, she's cool and all, I can trust her.". So in hopes of saving myself some time I gave her access to my account. I tell her "Take some money. If you are going to take something else, please run it by me first or let me know afterwards.". She tries it and it doesn't work. I tell her to keep trying and she still can't get on. Maybe she's typing it in wrong, whatever. I get on the account without a problem and give her some dough to help her out.
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So where was the undestanding not to take anything until he said it was OK? Tell me afterwards is not getting consent first.

Like I said, there was no taking something without permission, it was given. Only problem I see is giving said gear out to someone else.
 
Mirewen said:
I think this should be on every page.
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How is that an epic post? Someone with no name took some time to make a post and spell check it, so it's epic? It's credible? Okay let's rearrange that post from my history with her.

How anyone is buying this blows my fucking mind.
And how this girl is still being flamed for a bad call absolutely sickens me, and I don't even play anymore.

This is Classic Mish. This is the same person she was when I started the game over 2 years ago, and she hasn't changed a bit.

Mish in a nutshell:
She whines and bitches about everything.

The only people attacking her are friends of people who also whine and bitch about everything, the "omg this person said it's true, so it must be true!" brigade, and the devil's advocate trolls (surprised Firestreak hasn't shown up yet).

From her dozens (hundreds?) of "I'm going through a rough time in my life, so I'm going to quit" and the subsequent "Nevermind, I just felt like taking a break", to where she flames people that probably pissed her off, "Fuck you people who pissed me off! You pissed me off! So I'm mad at you!", what exactly are you expecting here?

She's hardly as bad as Mr. Epic Post thinks. There's a lot she hides because it isn't something everyone needs to know. Her life is her business unless she chooses to share something about it. Mish will ingratiate herself to you for helping her, because it's a nice thing to do. If you say you can't do something when she asks for help, she doesn't have an emo fit about it, but when it's time for her to return the favour, she most certainly returns it tenfold. When it's time to show the same kindness she's received.

She's a nice person, but always feels like she has a debt to pay when she really doesn't.

In a very real sense, Mish made a mistake with Neo's char. Neo clearly told her it was okay to have access to his account and borrow something if she needed it. Neo gave her PERMISSION to borrow this stuff. It can't be undone, no matter how many apologies (real or fake) are made, it's left a scar on their friendship(not that it exists anymore), and it should've taught Neo not to make any blunt decisions to give people access to their account if they feel they have anything to lose.

Somebody's gonna say (or has said) "she can't help it, she's just a victim, she has a problem, it's not her fault. does the kitten mean it when she scratches you?" And the response is, yes she made a bad decision, regardless of any problems she has. Not a single one of you who posted in this thread have ever NOT had a time you thought irrationally or made a bad decision. No one is perfect. She makes a conscious decision to act the way she does. And if this is all the case, can we just get over it and leave them both to gripe about it at each other?

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There, spellchecked and everything. Is it epic yet? But this is how I've come to known the girl. Not once when I asked for help with my new character, has she ever turned down the opportunity to help me with anything given she was able to. She had nothing to gain from me being a newly started account, I have no gear she needs to "steal" or money she could possibly want... why is she helping me then? She stayed up for almost 5 hours straight late one night helping me camp for a Jujitsu Gi. A fucking cheap item which has no possible gain for her whatsoever. She's offered to help with plenty more things than that. And what can I do to repay her? Nothin, but being a friend really.

Now, being a friend, does that mean I'm obligated to give her access to my account, or give her items? Not in the least. If I give a friend something for free, or help them, I don't EXPECT anything in return, or to get said item back. In fact, before I quit, everything I gave away was just that, a gift. I came back a couple times in between, and never demanded those items back. People offered me things too when I came back, I accepted them and moved on.

So, thusly, what I'm seeing here, is Neo freaking out about something he SUPPOSEDLY PERMITTED HER ACCESS TO DO, and everyone is doing just what she feels they are doing, crucifying her for a mistake she made despite the fact he gave her the access to do this, with HIS PERMISSION.

Mish is one of the biggest crybabies on this game, but at the same time she's also a very generous and decent friend.
 
Malagra said:
So in one small post, you managed to not only prove a point for me (albeit one I didn't think needed proving because it was goddamned blatantly obvious, but I'll give credit where credit is due), make yourself look like an idiot and a liar (how can I be failing when you're elaborating on the very same statement without changing it?).
You might not get this whole comparison/analogy/metaphor thing, but damn, can you ever multitask.
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This is besides the fact that the particular analogy given was used in order to provide a possible explanation for why he waited before posting it out in the open and not to draw similarities between the examples given.
 
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