For every RDM out there, that CANT use Refresh!! [M]

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Ok first off, if you do not know the refresh, ask someone or quit.

Second off, if you refuse to listen to a more knowledgable player, quit the game.

Third, if you are a RDM that Meles, in a party, doesnt refresh, and doesnt cast even Paralyze, FOR FUCKS SAKE ... QUIT THE FUCKING GAME IF YOU DONT WANT TO LISTEN TO ANYONE!!!!!!!!!

Ok, some of that is harsh. But I was just in 2 parties, and neither RDM knew how to refresh, who to refresh, and would barely refresh themselfs. My 1st party sucked over all, I wont go into that. 2nd party, well that was supposed to be the good party. Well I was wrong. Read on.

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Well... I dont know what to say... The WHM said that he was a really good RDM and its hard to find RDMs our level that are good. This person would cast Stoneskin on himself, aswell as Ice Spikes, and not to mention Haste. I'm a BLM, I know I'm next to last in Refresh order, next to DRK, but come on. The party wanted me to do Freeze EVERY FIGHT!!!

Please, RDMs out there, dont be stupid, listen to others, and refresh the mages!!!! :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
 
This is the millionth thread about RDMs and their job... -_- seriously.. the RDMs on this forum know this... I know you are rantin.. and I agree with you completely. Those RDMs are stupid for not refreshing... -_- now.. at that level they might not be able to keep 6 people refreshed easily with the limited MP they have (I'm assuming around 300-400ish mp?). With Refresh costing 40 mp and having a 17second or so downtime... it really isn't easy... for those RDMs I would think that they should atleast keep themselves refreshed (and since there were two) each take 1 other person to refresh.. at the very least.. and that would be enough... and then they should share the enfeebling. 1 doing dark magic enfeebling and 1 doing light magic enfeebling or whatever order they decide. I do want everyone to know though.. atleast with me... Refresh will be coming but the downtime makes it difficult. So ya.. and there wouldn't be too big a problem with meleeing at.. what level is this? 45ish? I would occassionally melee up to 60.. not much.. depending on the set up really... if it wasn't a strain on MP then I would melee to the point of capping sword and maybe helping in a WS (believe me.. we RDMs can actually be of use in a SC) but ya... keeping my MP up, debuffs up, dispelling, and refreshing others as well as helping with hasting was before my meleeing
 
I find it hard to keep refresh cycle on more than 3 people... I mean I can, but it doesn't seem to be MP efficient to do so. The most successful parties i've been in were ones that I almost NEVER had to use Convert.

Sure I -can- use it but if I have to every 10 minutes, I'm not being MP efficient.

Freeze bursting isn't mp efficient, likewise you can bring the rest of the pt down with it. In a pt with 5 people who use MP, it's impossible to make it worthwhile to refresh EVERYONE and still do the other stuff RDM is best at (enfeebling!? enhancing!?)...in the case of DRKs... who have aspir. And don't use it when we're fighting a mob that is aspirable...I only can ask WHY!?

Same for BLMs...you have aspir, higher dark skill than me, and it works pretty damn good. Even with my gimped dark skill level I can Aspir up to 90-100 MP pretty often. But in any case refresh priority for me always goes to myself (not counted), PLD first, main heal second, but in some cases I can swap main healer for the BLM in the cycle. For example, in a pt with a NIN where the healer's mp pool is not exactly being pounded. Or in pts where the WHM is being MP efficient... Refresh can be used to also make up errors where an unskilled mage doesn't know any better ;)
 
Do you guys cast stoneskin and ice spikes, and haste on yourselfs during PTs?
 
Oh, no. No way. Well...sometimes I haste or stoneskin myself if I'm dumping my mana before a convert. But that's it :p
 
stoneskin is a must before converting -_- or death is a certain thing almost >< and haste I do sometimes.. it helps with spell downtimes... like.. refresh will go from 17 seconds down to 13 or so.. it's useful ^^ but I rarely ever use it
 
chpal said:
Elemmire: Haste makes you cast faster?? really? I thought it was only for attacks.
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Not really Faster, it speeds up the cool down timer so you can cast the spell again sooner.
 
ya ^^ Fast Cast makes you cast faster while haste makes it so you can cast a spell sooner than before ^^ there for... you cast more spells in a shorter amount of time
 
I was in a party tonight with two rdms. I think I got refreshed twice. I feel ya falsey.
 
Elemmire said:
ya ^^ Fast Cast makes you cast faster while haste makes it so you can cast a spell sooner than before ^^ there for... you cast more spells in a shorter amount of time
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This is why I always haste myself and people constantly ask me "Why you hasting yourself, your not attacking." The downtime of Refresh drops 5 seconds, which is very nice so I always try to keep Haste on me.

My refresh order is Usually Me > WHM > PLD > BLM > DRK when needed (Put SMN in there when we have one, usually before the BLM). I refresh myself cuz I might not notice when other peoples refresh wears when things are hectic but I ALWAYS notice mine, so when mine is gone, it's time to start casting. And I know I'll get flack for not putting PLD before WHM, but if you keep refresh pretty consistantly activated, the refresh order doesn't matter too much.

But please remember, we aren't your refresh whores --;.... We CAN do other things (We enfeeble so much better, mine stick 95% of the time, back up cure, MB, Haste when there's no WHM, etc etc) and our mp pool is limited, so we don't want to use it all on Refresh for 6 people when one of them only has 100mp and barely uses it going "REFRESH PLZ"

On one hand I can see where Mages and Magic using Melee get frustrated at RDMs for not refreshing them, on the other I can see RDMs getting frustrated because of Refresh our MP supply is limited even more (47 mp for that sucker x4 can add up fast)

There's a fine line really... >>

and yes, we know most RDM in this game suck XD (Hopefully I'm not one of them >>)
 
as WHM/SMN I have on occasion had the RDM push others up in their refresh cycle, if they even have one, so that i'll get refreshed less often, and ppl who have been having MP troubles can get the attention they need to keep high MP. PLD should ALWAYS have refresh, cause if you have pld in your party, you dont have a blinktank (redundant). BLM always needs refresh because theyre usually AM bursting and nuking as well and more damage = shorter fight = less curing. As long as the tank can hold hate, the blm should be able to nuke. As whm I haste, unless the RDM is on that duty or we're splitting the party. (depends on how many melee DD that need haste too) I REGEN the PLD or tank, and I cure as neccessary. I'll be sitting (with my <3'd darkstaff) or otherwise healing mp every spare instant between those, and i'm (oh so modestly) so efficient at it i've been told refresh is wasted on me =p but the point is, communicate in party, find the best balance for it and go with it. The problem with most party members is they get static and refuse to adjust for the party. "Well last party the BLM didnt need refresh so often!!! WTF is your problem!?!?" well, that was last party genius, and this is this one, and your blm needs more attention. Unless you just bought your character you should be able by now to adjust to the different needs of different party members regardless of what their jobs are.
 
Bards forever!!! AOE refresh... nobody can mess that up.
 
Orchid said:
as WHM/SMN I have on occasion had the RDM push others up in their refresh cycle, if they even have one, so that i'll get refreshed less often, and ppl who have been having MP troubles can get the attention they need to keep high MP. PLD should ALWAYS have refresh, cause if you have pld in your party, you dont have a blinktank (redundant). BLM always needs refresh because theyre usually AM bursting and nuking as well and more damage = shorter fight = less curing. As long as the tank can hold hate, the blm should be able to nuke. As whm I haste, unless the RDM is on that duty or we're splitting the party. (depends on how many melee DD that need haste too) I REGEN the PLD or tank, and I cure as neccessary. I'll be sitting (with my <3'd darkstaff) or otherwise healing mp every spare instant between those, and i'm (oh so modestly) so efficient at it i've been told refresh is wasted on me =p but the point is, communicate in party, find the best balance for it and go with it. The problem with most party members is they get static and refuse to adjust for the party. "Well last party the BLM didnt need refresh so often!!! WTF is your problem!?!?" well, that was last party genius, and this is this one, and your blm needs more attention. Unless you just bought your character you should be able by now to adjust to the different needs of different party members regardless of what their jobs are.
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OMG you're on gaiaonline? XD
 
Firestreak said:
The party wanted me to do Freeze EVERY FIGHT!!!
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What the hell? If you're doing Freeze every fight you don't deserve Rrefresh cause you're just pissing the MP away anyway.
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Fire you need to reread that again and not give Falsey crap for it.
 
I am not 40 yet so I haven't experienced the wonders of refresh, but I hear everyone say that they get crap XP without it.

How then do people manage before 40 when you cant have it? Do you just get used to having it?
 
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