Fucked at Thife Knife

[Squee]

As much as I hate those guys with a passion but


A. Sozuu is a NM, i would take him in a heartbeat if he turned yellow. He
is not Nidhogg, and he is not King Behemoth. He is a normal NM, just
as anyone would take Argus or Valkrum Emperor if they could. In my
opinion if you can't keep an NM claimed you don't deserver it.
HNMs are a different story, as they take for the most part effort, and
alot of kiting.

B. Not to be cold and calculated, but, you're camping Sozuu as a RDM,
do you even have thf subbed or do you go RDM/WAR? Stop wasting
NM's, have you ever heard of his drop rate? Leave that NM to the THFs
it's not for mages :roll: to camp (as if mages should camp any NMs)


In summary, he is a NM people, so sick of all the whining about stealing.
We are not talking about a mob you have to kite and it takes 2 hours to kill.

Sozuu should ONLY be camped with TH2, anything less than that is NOT acceptable with his drop rate....

Rethink that. There are ways for another player to force a mob to become unclaimed that you cannot control. Thats a shitty statement to make. I could spam cures on you to the point where you cannot move and eventually you will lose the claim. But I don't have to worry about you bitching about it because you already stated that you dont deserve to keep it since you lost it.

 

[Squee]

As much as I hate those guys with a passion but


A. Sozuu is a NM, i would take him in a heartbeat if he turned yellow. He
is not Nidhogg, and he is not King Behemoth. He is a normal NM, just
as anyone would take Argus or Valkrum Emperor if they could. In my
opinion if you can't keep an NM claimed you don't deserver it.
HNMs are a different story, as they take for the most part effort, and
alot of kiting.

B. Not to be cold and calculated, but, you're camping Sozuu as a RDM,
do you even have thf subbed or do you go RDM/WAR? Stop wasting
NM's, have you ever heard of his drop rate? Leave that NM to the THFs
it's not for mages :roll: to camp (as if mages should camp any NMs)


In summary, he is a NM people, so sick of all the whining about stealing.
We are not talking about a mob you have to kite and it takes 2 hours to kill.

Sozuu should ONLY be camped with TH2, anything less than that is NOT acceptable with his drop rate....

How is this a NM ONLY for thfs.. I think its a NM for anyone who can kill it.

Takeing a NM or any mob if it turns yellow is STEALING. ANY nh, hnm, ect can come unclaimed for like 2 sec. If it had been yours, you would have gotten to start with. YOU DONT STEAL!

I have also camped this nm and killed it as my RDM/WHM. I Had a thf in the party, along with another rdm. If I want to camp this nm again, I will go with any job, sub job that I choose. As Im sure Miya will.


I dont care what mob, nm, hnm, god, ect. Stealing is wrong on any level.


Saying Sozuu should ONLY be camped with TH2, anything less than that is NOT acceptable with his drop rate.. is the dumbest shit Ive ever heard. Any job can camp and kill any nm they want.

and Perfect I am sure you are one of those white trash assholes at the convenience store holding up the line playing scratch off tickets....
Just another dreamer trying to hit it big but too fucking stupid to realize the odds.

How long you been playing this game again? Jesus christ you're talking like a rookie right now. Why not better your chances and have TH2 or a THF with you instead of KNOWING you are wasting your time and wasting ANOTHER NM.

Never knew Vang was a little bitch.

 

[Squee]

The mob you were fighting can be killed with six people. IF you had a party RIGHT THERE as you claim, they were too scared or to dumb to claim it. No one was gonna chainspell raise anyone. Don't lie to prove a point.

Since you are so smart. I'll explain in more detail for you.

There was a PT of 4 of us camping. There was an EXP party(mistra's) there leveling. They were going to help us once we got claim if we needed it. The mob spawns, we start fighting... we got him to 50% health easily when he EES'd on me, which I did not expect until later in the fight.

I was PT leader, and therefore could not invite mistras PT into Alliance. Dal dropped quickly, and bam... stolen. Our party never even saw him go yellow. We all were stunned, as I was giving out commands as to what to do. (chainspell raise).

Once again... good job on commenting on an event you had no involvement in. :wink:

Let me get this straight. There was a PT for 4 of you. TWO of which were rdms, a melee and you (a thf) and thought you had a chance without alliancing with the other party before. Either your arrogant or your lying. Who was kiting the NM? Maybe you were fighting it straight on and just suicidal. NH's mistake was letting any of you live. They should of let you all wipe.

Call me arrogant if you want... maybe I just like a challenge. It was our first time fighting him, we wanted to see how we did at first, did not know EES was gonna come at 50% health.

Once again.. the NH members were not trying to save us... they were trying to steal it... FLAT OUT. People trying to save you dont spam voke a claimed mob, and then runn off after they kill it.

I'm glad there are people like you around that know everything though.

So... You guys:
1. Were at half strength
2. Never allianced before the fight.
3. Bitched continously about NH stealing your mob because you needed someone else to save your ass in order to finish killing the mob... Sounds like someone is crying too much.

You cannot expect other people to idly stand around while you guys re-group and regain your composure. You lost your chance when you guys wiped and then NEEDED A FUCKING RAISE IN ORDER TO CONTINUE. OMG CHAINSPELL + RAISE + a shitload of other things... Get real. If you had truelly intended to use Mistra (who rocks by the way, awesome NIN tank) then why didn't you have the foresight to alliance before the fight? You needed so many things to happen that there is no fucking way someone could just stand around watching and counting 10mississippi for their 'right' to claim the mob.

What I do not understand is why SE allows for the mob to come unclaimed in the first place if the entire party is not dead. Just a couple of people in the party die does not mean that it should come unclaimed. I highly doubt that NH was sitting there spamming Provoke on the mob just waiting for their chance. It looks like there was a several second gap.

 

[Ezikiel]

So... You guys:
1. Were at half strength
2. Never allianced before the fight.
3. Bitched continously about NH stealing your mob because you needed someone else to save your ass in order to finish killing the mob... Sounds like someone is crying too much.

You cannot expect other people to idly stand around while you guys re-group and regain your composure. You lost your chance when you guys wiped and then NEEDED A FUCKING RAISE IN ORDER TO CONTINUE. OMG CHAINSPELL + RAISE + a shitload of other things... Get real. If you had truelly intended to use Mistra (who rocks by the way, awesome NIN tank) then why didn't you have the foresight to alliance before the fight? You needed so many things to happen that there is no fucking way someone could just stand around watching and counting 10mississippi for their 'right' to claim the mob.

What I do not understand is why SE allows for the mob to come unclaimed in the first place if the entire party is not dead. Just a couple of people in the party die does not mean that it should come unclaimed. I highly doubt that NH was sitting there spamming Provoke on the mob just waiting for their chance. It looks like there was a several second gap.

1. Never bitched or complained I spoke with Maseki after the incedent, infact never said a word to the alliance that was there.

2. Obviously we did not wipe if we still had 2 mages up.

3. Sooo many things needed to happen eh? Like raise and invite to alliance? Ooh.. thats hard.

4. They were spamming voke, as the mob went from red to purple.. at no time did it actually go yellow.

Wait... I suppose you were there to see it too right?
Right, thanks for playing squee :roll:


For the last time... What NH did was technically nothing wrong. I already said that I blame SE for making the claiming system like that.

Did you read the whole post? Good job

 

[Squee]

Don't need to read back on a hi'jacked thread to realize that you made a couple of critical errors. You WERE NOT ULTIMATELY PREPARED FOR THIS FIGHT. Stop crying about it and stop posting about it. You know in the future to not step into a big boy fight with only 4 members. If shit hits the fan you cannot cry about it. All you had to do was have Mistra there to start with. There is nothing wrong with covering all of your bases now is there?

And no I was not there, nor did I have to be there to get an understanding about what happened. THIS IS YOUR ONLY RESPONSE TO THIS SITUATION: YOU WERE NOT THERE. Stop defending yourself for not being prepared for this fight.

If you want to talk common sense for a moment try this. You were 'planning' on alliancing with Mistra if things went wrong. However did you stop to think about the possiblities of what would have to happen to make things go wrong? What possible scenerio would have to take place for the leader, who is also the tank, to not be able to invite Mistra to come in to save them if things went wrong... Wait a second...

Wait for it...

THE TANK DIES. Hello??? How are you going to make the party leader and tank the same person in a situation like this??

Thanks for playing there buddy but you did not do forward planning. You did not pull in your support as the fight progressed. There is nothing wrong with not waiting to claim before you you invited Mistra. However you said yourself that it was at 50% before it EES you and you died.

Proper planning in any situation will allow for situations like this one. It does not take a lot of time to do a few checks prior to your fights.

Now on to the ethics behind what happened. NH sees that they lost the initial claim to this NM. They did not proceed to MPK. They waited to see what would happen. BAM the tank dies half way through. Knowing it was highly unlikely that a RNG RDM RDM would be able to finish off this mob successfully w/o a real tank they had every right to take the claim. They should not, however, been able to even have the ability to take the claim to begin with but that is an error on SE's part that they need to fix.

Now... WHAT IF NH had known that Mistra had agreed to help? If I was NH I would have took the claim anyway because they were not already allianced and the planning for this fight was broken from the start. You based everything on a whole bunch of 'what-ifs' from the beginning.

"It is not hard to lead men into combat but it is hard to bring them all back to see their mothers again."

 

[Squee]

So... You guys:
1. Were at half strength
2. Never allianced before the fight.
3. Bitched continously about NH stealing your mob because you needed someone else to save your ass in order to finish killing the mob... Sounds like someone is crying too much.

You cannot expect other people to idly stand around while you guys re-group and regain your composure. You lost your chance when you guys wiped and then NEEDED A FUCKING RAISE IN ORDER TO CONTINUE. OMG CHAINSPELL + RAISE + a shitload of other things... Get real. If you had truelly intended to use Mistra (who rocks by the way, awesome NIN tank) then why didn't you have the foresight to alliance before the fight? You needed so many things to happen that there is no fucking way someone could just stand around watching and counting 10mississippi for their 'right' to claim the mob.

What I do not understand is why SE allows for the mob to come unclaimed in the first place if the entire party is not dead. Just a couple of people in the party die does not mean that it should come unclaimed. I highly doubt that NH was sitting there spamming Provoke on the mob just waiting for their chance. It looks like there was a several second gap.

1. Never bitched or complained I spoke with Maseki after the incedent, infact never said a word to the alliance that was there.

2. Obviously we did not wipe if we still had 2 mages up.

3. Sooo many things needed to happen eh? Like raise and invite to alliance? Ooh.. thats hard.

4. They were spamming voke, as the mob went from red to purple.. at no time did it actually go yellow.

Wait... I suppose you were there to see it too right?
Right, thanks for playing squee :roll:


For the last time... What NH did was technically nothing wrong. I already said that I blame SE for making the claiming system like that.

Did you read the whole post? Good job

One other point.... How did you expect to be successful with:

THF67
RNG67
RDM71
RDM62?

I expected you to be at least 74 or something for Ni but damn.. 67 allows for a lot of shit to go wrong.

 

[TiyaKelth]

I love how so many people feel that having a challenging fight instead of overwhelming mobs with numbers is a stupid thing to do. Not.

They had a chance, they just weren't prepared for the EES that early in the fight. If NH hadn't stolen it the second they lost claim (Spamming fast enough that Ezi didn't even see it go yellow), while half the pt was still alive, they would have been fine, meaning nothing went wrong in the planning, Plan B would have worked just fine.

Regardless, the issue isn't whether they could have won or not, it's the simple fact that members from NH stole the claim.

 

[Bajaratt]

Coh beat me to it since I have been playing for the day hoping I would get more posts from you and perfect before I shut you both up with this picture. What do you have to say about this Bajarett?

Oh and btw get the fuck outta here with that lame ass cop out that EVERYONE uses now "Oh another LS mate did it, not me blah blah"

As long as no one is punishing these people in your LS that do this stupid shit, then you (NH) APPROVE of it.

Goodnight, Exit stage right, thanks for playing.

Hypocrites...

Well, I've been playing all day as well, so I just saw this, so I might as well respond now. From what happened I'd have to say that I'm really disappointed that he did that. I don't know what you're expecting me to say, that what he did was perfectly fine? It wasn't, he shouldn't have done that. Your picture isn't "shutting me up" since I was asking a question, not claiming that NH had never done anything like that before.

What I heard about that incident, and this is all second hand, was that he claimed, then logged to give it back. There wasn't a mention of OH wiping and it certainly wasn't a condoned action by the LS. Cohibu's picture proves that just fine. It was also over a day later when I found out, so I didn't have any real information about the incident and forgot about it. Sorry if I dont' catalogue every little thing that happens in the linkshell, especially when something seems to have blown over.

Also, I'd like to know how the fuck I'M supposed to be accountable for someone else's actions when I'M NOT EVEN ONLINE. Yes, it was someone else, and I only found out about them doing it well after the fact. You don't know my schedule, so you not knowing that I'm online isn't that important, but you saying that I'm supporting him is 100% bullshit.

Since I have NO power in the linkshell(No pearlsack, no pull with Maseki, nothing). I can't really punish someone for anything, so I'd love to see how I'm approving their actions by not doing something that I can't possibly do. From what I was told, he was punished, but it wasn't prudent to ask how.

I don't know of any linkshell that has a zero-tolerance policy regarding members, so maybe you'll point those out to me. It'd be a pretty stupid policy to have, since there'd be plenty of strife over people leaving and virtually no loyalty.

All I asked was what Ezikiel was referring to when he said we had stolen something when I hadn't heard of anything, and now you're calling me a hypocrite. Does anyone other than me know what the word hypoctire means? Everyone loves to toss that word around, but very few(none I've seen, but there's probably at least one) seem to be using it correctly. I haven't done anything hypocritical that I'm aware of, so feel free to point those out, but make sure it's an actual hypocrisy first.

 

[Legomyeggo]

Since when did MG use EES? Or is this two different steals NH allegdly made?

 

[Darkdante]

So according to what people are sayin on this thread the next time sombody has a hard time on a HNM fight everybody standing by should just try to steal the fucker since they LOOK like thier losing anyway.

GBY did no wrong then. What the fuck is everybody getting so mad about stealing if its ok????

God damn bunch of cry babies.

 

[Drystyn]

So according to what people are sayin on this thread the next time sombody has a hard time on a HNM fight everybody standing by should just try to steal the fucker since they LOOK like thier losing anyway.

GBY did no wrong then. What the fuck is everybody getting so mad about stealing if its ok????

God damn bunch of cry babies.

That's the way people seem to be acting lately. Maybe I should just steal claim right in the middle of the fight no matter how many people are alive. Then I can just say, "well, you guys suck and would have wiped anyway."

 

[vang]

Since when did MG use EES? Or is this two different steals NH allegdly made?

Oh it's now TWO different times they have stolen, but apparently Bajarett has a selective memory and likes to forget these little "hiccups".

WAR does not have a Hauby, only Scp Harness +1 that I use for THF. Sorry, PCC sold >.<

Serus/Squee (Who are you again?) when I first read this, that's when I knew, you are a clown.

"Derr look at me try to brag about my gear in my sig!"

GTFO scrub you need to up your game before you even think to address me ever again.

 

[Squee]

I love how so many people feel that having a challenging fight instead of overwhelming mobs with numbers is a stupid thing to do. Not.

They had a chance, they just weren't prepared for the EES that early in the fight. If NH hadn't stolen it the second they lost claim (Spamming fast enough that Ezi didn't even see it go yellow), while half the pt was still alive, they would have been fine, meaning nothing went wrong in the planning, Plan B would have worked just fine.

Regardless, the issue isn't whether they could have won or not, it's the simple fact that members from NH stole the claim.

So.... Why couldn't he invite Mistra again? Why weren't they already allianced with them? Clearly there was nothing wrong with the planning here, Plan B would have worked just fine. Obviously since the tank died, couldn't invite Mistra's party, he had EVERYTHING under control. Right.....

 

[Squee]

Since when did MG use EES? Or is this two different steals NH allegdly made?

Oh it's now TWO different times they have stolen, but apparently Bajarett has a selective memory and likes to forget these little "hiccups".

WAR does not have a Hauby, only Scp Harness +1 that I use for THF. Sorry, PCC sold >.<

Serus/Squee (Who are you again?) when I first read this, that's when I knew, you are a clown.

"Derr look at me try to brag about my gear in my sig!"

GTFO scrub you need to up your game before you even think to address me ever again.

And you have the choice to just ignore me or blist me. Yet you are once again a bitch who clouds the issue. You make bonehead remarks and the only way you can defend yourself is by insulting others.

 

[Squee]

I love how so many people feel that having a challenging fight instead of overwhelming mobs with numbers is a stupid thing to do. Not.

They had a chance, they just weren't prepared for the EES that early in the fight. If NH hadn't stolen it the second they lost claim (Spamming fast enough that Ezi didn't even see it go yellow), while half the pt was still alive, they would have been fine, meaning nothing went wrong in the planning, Plan B would have worked just fine.

Regardless, the issue isn't whether they could have won or not, it's the simple fact that members from NH stole the claim.

So.... Why couldn't he invite Mistra again? Why weren't they already allianced with them? Clearly there was nothing wrong with the planning here, Plan B would have worked just fine. Obviously since the tank died, couldn't invite Mistra's party, he had EVERYTHING under control. Right.....

As a side note, obviously you have never leveled a melee job before other than your precious NIN and THF. A war drk sam NEED a hauby. You cannot replace the +5 dex str, +10acc and attk with just a SH. So..

Wait.. Who haven't you insulted yet? I got accused of being a stuck up pric but you, guy, are the worse of them here. You keep bragging about your 'record' that no one really knows about but yourself. So who the fuck are you, son?

 

[TiyaKelth]

So.... Why couldn't he invite Mistra again?

Because NH stole the claim before he could.

 

[Ezikiel]

Since you dont read back on threads, I will go ahead and show you what you missed.

Don't need to read back on a hi'jacked thread to realize that you made a couple of critical errors. You WERE NOT ULTIMATELY PREPARED FOR THIS FIGHT. Stop crying about it and stop posting about it.

Once again.. things were worked out, and I blame SE more than anything. Technically NH did nothing wrong,

Once again I was not trying to start a flame against NH, as the issue has been resolved

Infact, I dont hold grudge against any member in NH for the incident, as it was worked out with your leader.

Can move along now

Once again, I have no problem with Maseki or NH. I have said a few times now that Technically they did nothing wrong, as the mob must have gone yellow

For the last time... What NH did was technically nothing wrong. I already said that I blame SE for making the claiming system like that.

Sounds like I am crying about it a whole lot doesn't it? :roll:

HERE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART:

Was the mob claimed before we all wiped: Yes
Was that in Perfects deffinition of stealing: Yes
Could we have beat him: I dunno for sure... but I feel we had a chance. Who is someone else to decide for us?

But, like your brother Tomasello, you wont get that through your thick skull, so to quote Marajade:

but they didnt and stole it. How many times must everyone else say that?

look up. Way, Way up. See that tiny spec way up there? Thats the point, sailing over your head.

Thanks for playing... have a nice day 8)

 

[Zodiaque]

/comfort Miya

I hope you actually read this cause your whole thread turned to a different topic...

I'm really sorry that happened Miya , I know we don't normally ever post flames on anyone, but that's definitely something worthy of it.

I totally agree that you have every right to camp that and fight him no matter what job you are, saying that he's going to waste with no TH2 and that you shouldn't be fighting him at all (basically too bad for you) is meanhearted and rude. If that's his opinion, then he should live by it, but we can do whatever we want either way, I don't think you're wasting your time, keep it up, it's for a great cause!!! /hug

Next time you do this, maybe Un and I can come along to try to help. I absolutely hate bastards out there that not only screw you out of something like that, and instead of being ashamed of being such a lowlife, they decide to rub salt in it and laugh at you too.

/shakes head

We can only hope that IRL all this bad karma they're building up is coming back to them...

 

[Mattaru]

Never knew Vang was a little bitch.

Yeah, some things never change.

 

[Mishaela]

The guy who's sig shows him getting his (2nd? 1'st?) PCC....is flaming a guy for saying he has a SH+1 in his sig..

Isn't that like flaming a guy for bragging about getting Dusk Jerkin when your sig shows you with Dusk Jerkin +1? *shrug*