I've been following this thread for two days now, and debating weather or not to post on it since I wasn't even on when all of this went down. It really sucks to read all of this for numerous reasons, not the least of which are:
I am a GbY member, and can therefore say that we DO NOT as a LS rule CC, MPK, or Steal. We've all been in Sky, and undoubtedly know that there is almost always more than one LS there. For some reason we seem to have the same Sky schedule with Rawr, Bastokianhighelite, and on occasion BoL. We have never CC'd any of these LS, nor have we ever even thought of stealing, or MPK'ing them. If we run in to grab an SC, and someone is there, we leave. You can always go grab an MG, Ulli, or Zip, then come back to pickup whatever NM was previously camped. This is how we operate. There is no sense in staining your LS name and creating enemies by doing any of the above mentioned.
The problem is, I know my LS, and I know the rules, but I also know many of the R-ESP members, and hold that LS up in my own mind as one of the best damn LS's on Quetz. I have never seen an instance where R-ESP comes out and talks shit, CC's, MPK's, or steals. R-ESP has always seemed to be very modest, and highly ethical/professional.
There is no claim rules when it comes to NM's, HNM or otherwise, only ethical boundaries. There is no rule, nor in my opinion, ethical issue with watching a group fight, and wipe to an NM. Thats kind of the new way. If my people wiped in this instance, which it seems they did, than I say the NM is fair game. Show me an LS who hasn't watched another LS wipe to SC, MG, etc.. then grab the claim and move on, and I will show you a liar.
If in fact R-ESP had even one member alive, I don't care what/who it was, than the NM is still R-ESP property, REGUARDLESS of who initially popped it. If such is the case, and the NM was still officially R-ESP business, than all I can do is say GbY was wrong, and apologize on behalf of my entire LS for what the few members who commited this action did. They should have let you wipe completley, then taken the NM.
If R-ESP did attempt an MPK with the Elemental, than as far as I am concerned, ethics no longer apply, and you guys got what you deserved.
Problem is, as I mentioned before, I've never heard even the slightest whisper of R-ESP pulling any crap like this, but I've never seen my LS steal an NM. Like I said in the beginning of this, I wasn't even on when this went down. The entire situation sucks. Only the people who were there know what really went down. I can only hope that this eventually gets resolved, and that everyone realizes that reguardless of what the truth is, not the entire GbY, nor R-ESP rosters were in attendance.