GBY :D

[Mirewen]

GBY wiped, ESP waited for it to regen, ESP engaged, a few died, it became unclaimed, GBY stole it. Tell me where any of this information is false. Engaging the mob at full health after GBY wiped is one thing, but GBY taking it after it became unclaimed (which yes, CAN happen without a wipe as I've had it happen to me before) and not even having it reset... that's just low. Having another LS basically kill the mob for you, and you reaping the rewards... how can you justify that rationally? Drystyn we WILL get you your sword. As for the "relax, it will pop again", that in no way makes what happened acceptable.

 

[elitemage]

what happneed happened you cant go back, it WILL pop again dont worry about it in Both LS's eyes what they did was right and nothing is going to change that both LSs messed up and GBY got the kill oh well always a next time if almost your whole party wipes but you got some whms and brds left than thats pretty much a full wipe imo come better prepaired next time and try again ^^

 

[Necrosis]

I like ESP the LS, exept for a few that were hunting Obow one day and drove an exp PT out of Gustav on the basis of Necrosis saying "They don't kill them fast enough."

Thank you Antura, for completely misquoting me. Sorry for the off-topic reply, but in fact, we got aggro and a few links. I never said that. We may have took a gob here and then, but "drive them away"? You act like we took every single gob that popped.

GG.

-Necro

 

[Eladamiri]

I've been following this thread for two days now, and debating weather or not to post on it since I wasn't even on when all of this went down. It really sucks to read all of this for numerous reasons, not the least of which are:

I am a GbY member, and can therefore say that we DO NOT as a LS rule CC, MPK, or Steal. We've all been in Sky, and undoubtedly know that there is almost always more than one LS there. For some reason we seem to have the same Sky schedule with Rawr, Bastokianhighelite, and on occasion BoL. We have never CC'd any of these LS, nor have we ever even thought of stealing, or MPK'ing them. If we run in to grab an SC, and someone is there, we leave. You can always go grab an MG, Ulli, or Zip, then come back to pickup whatever NM was previously camped. This is how we operate. There is no sense in staining your LS name and creating enemies by doing any of the above mentioned.

The problem is, I know my LS, and I know the rules, but I also know many of the R-ESP members, and hold that LS up in my own mind as one of the best damn LS's on Quetz. I have never seen an instance where R-ESP comes out and talks shit, CC's, MPK's, or steals. R-ESP has always seemed to be very modest, and highly ethical/professional.

There is no claim rules when it comes to NM's, HNM or otherwise, only ethical boundaries. There is no rule, nor in my opinion, ethical issue with watching a group fight, and wipe to an NM. Thats kind of the new way. If my people wiped in this instance, which it seems they did, than I say the NM is fair game. Show me an LS who hasn't watched another LS wipe to SC, MG, etc.. then grab the claim and move on, and I will show you a liar.

If in fact R-ESP had even one member alive, I don't care what/who it was, than the NM is still R-ESP property, REGUARDLESS of who initially popped it. If such is the case, and the NM was still officially R-ESP business, than all I can do is say GbY was wrong, and apologize on behalf of my entire LS for what the few members who commited this action did. They should have let you wipe completley, then taken the NM.

If R-ESP did attempt an MPK with the Elemental, than as far as I am concerned, ethics no longer apply, and you guys got what you deserved.

Problem is, as I mentioned before, I've never heard even the slightest whisper of R-ESP pulling any crap like this, but I've never seen my LS steal an NM. Like I said in the beginning of this, I wasn't even on when this went down. The entire situation sucks. Only the people who were there know what really went down. I can only hope that this eventually gets resolved, and that everyone realizes that reguardless of what the truth is, not the entire GbY, nor R-ESP rosters were in attendance.

Vondoom for teh winzzzzz

 

[Antura]

I like ESP the LS, exept for a few that were hunting Obow one day and drove an exp PT out of Gustav on the basis of Necrosis saying "They don't kill them fast enough."

Thank you Antura, for completely misquoting me. Sorry for the off-topic reply, but in fact, we got aggro and a few links. I never said that. We may have took a gob here and then, but "drive them away"? You act like we took every single gob that popped.

GG.

-Necro

I remember you running threw and killing what you saw, you say you got aggro. Yes, a mob will aggro you when you shoot it. I got a tell from 2 of my friends in that exp PT. "Are you with them? If so please don't kill the mobs, we are trying to exp." I said "No, I'm not with them" It was quite obvious for the 3 of us to see that you were raging threw all of the mobs. I really wish I had the Screen shot, when I tried to get you to stop killing the mobs. You simply brushed it off and said they don't kill them fast enough. I have no reason to lie about this, I stuck up for 2 of my friends, but you wouldn't listen so they left to go to Cape Terrigan.

Is this the reason for your stance here?

Not really, If you read my post Tyrath, I was saying that ESP coming in and taking a mob that a Shell worked for 5 hours to pop, Drystyn could have done the 'considerate' thing and simply left, or got the ToD.

 

[Bajaratt]

I like ESP the LS, exept for a few that were hunting Obow one day and drove an exp PT out of Gustav on the basis of Necrosis saying "They don't kill them fast enough."

Thank you Antura, for completely misquoting me. Sorry for the off-topic reply, but in fact, we got aggro and a few links. I never said that. We may have took a gob here and then, but "drive them away"? You act like we took every single gob that popped.

GG.

-Necro

I remember you running threw and killing what you saw, you say you got aggro. Yes, a mob will aggro you when you shoot it. I got a tell from 2 of my friends in that exp PT. "Are you with them? If so please don't kill the mobs, we are trying to exp." I said "No, I'm not with them" It was quite obvious for the 3 of us to see that you were raging threw all of the mobs. I really wish I had the Screen shot, when I tried to get you to stop killing the mobs. You simply brushed it off and said they don't kill them fast enough. I have no reason to lie about this, I stuck up for 2 of my friends, but you wouldn't listen so they left to go to Cape Terrigan.

Is this the reason for your stance here?

Not really, If you read my post Tyrath, I was saying that ESP coming in and taking a mob that a Shell worked for 5 hours to pop, Drystyn could have done the 'considerate' thing and simply left, or got the ToD.

He was there for a ToD originally, but when it became aparent that they were going to lose, he called people over to help kill it.

 

[Legomyeggo]

Next time you camp a NM Antura, tell me in advance so I can be there before you, then you'd have to leave. :roll:

 

[Darkdante]

Not really, If you read my post Tyrath, I was saying that ESP coming in and taking a mob that a Shell worked for 5 hours to pop, Drystyn could have done the 'considerate' thing and simply left, or got the ToD.

So how come you lotted on the sword instead of just letting Teppo have it and and be "considerate" ?

 

[Euphacent]

Not really, If you read my post Tyrath, I was saying that ESP coming in and taking a mob that a Shell worked for 5 hours to pop, Drystyn could have done the 'considerate' thing and simply left, or got the ToD.

So how come you lotted on the sword instead of just letting Teppo have it and and be "considerate" ?

The same reason Teppo was quartermaster and took the sword when people were invited to help kill it that needed the sword, too?

 

[Darkdante]

Not really, If you read my post Tyrath, I was saying that ESP coming in and taking a mob that a Shell worked for 5 hours to pop, Drystyn could have done the 'considerate' thing and simply left, or got the ToD.

So how come you lotted on the sword instead of just letting Teppo have it and and be "considerate" ?

The same reason Teppo was quartermaster and took the sword when people were invited to help kill it that needed the sword, too?

Was the reason that the one who does the most work gets it? Because thats the reason here.

 

[Mishaela]

I was there when Teppo got his Joyeuse...however, until it dropped, I didn't even know anyone else besides him was even after it. Not sure if there was some miscommunication or if I was led into some shady crap without knowin it..

 

[Darkdante]

Exactly. How is anyone gonna know who deserves what and who did more work and all that? But Antura is using that as a point to side with GBY.

All you end up with that is a whole lot more confusion.

 

[Tyrath]

Not really, If you read my post Tyrath, I was saying that ESP coming in and taking a mob that a Shell worked for 5 hours to pop, Drystyn could have done the 'considerate' thing and simply left, or got the ToD.

I was gonna reply to that, but then I saw this:

Next time you camp a NM Antura, tell me in advance so I can be there before you, then you'd have to leave.

:lol:

 

[Reality]

but we are far better than ur ls's with ppl who don't give a fuck about each other

lmao

 

[meikolia]

but we are far better than ur ls's with ppl who don't give a fuck about each other

lmao

Ok. WSM. After carefully reading this thread and going over some things you have said it is clear you have no idea how to keep your stories straight. First off ESP is one of the most respected shells out there. We do not MPK or steal or any of this other crap you hear that goes on with other shells.

We have a common respect and genuwine love for one another in this shell and like every family we have our fights but there is nothing like a good Kirin battle that can't make everyone smile at each other again. Anways....

I can't say who was wrong and who was right because after all my Mithran ass was not there.

But for someone who once seeked entrance into ESP you sure as hell know how to slam some people.

All I can say is what is done is done. And after all the who stole what and who said this and that and the booooo hooooo and whining and what not

DRYSTYN STILL GOT HIS SWORD BIZNITCH.

So in the end this entire thread and convo of bashing and yelling and screaming was pointless. and Dresdan was right this was never about skill this is about the ethics of it all. And clearly you have shown not only ESP but other shells were "some of your" ethics lay.

 

[Moev]

Wiped on genbu yes no?

I am so glad that someone brought this up in earlier posts. Since while farming one day in sky my LS got a good laugh hearing how GBY wiped to Genbu. I up until hearing this didn't even consider that possible.

I know there is always some rumor or joke going around about some LS at any given time, however when I saw some people with a GBY LS peral on I nicely /Comfort'd them and asked if it was true they had in fact wiped on Genbu. The only replys I had ever gotten was "no comment", "I wasn't there that day but probally so", and "I don't want to talk about that". Which leads me believe that is was in fact true. I mean comming from their own members.

Now with R-ESP. Only thing i can say about them is I know nothing much about their LS, I know a few of their members but thats about it. I have no first hand knowldge of how they operate and rules on CC'n and stuff like that.

The only time I ever see them really is when I come across one of their members laying dead in a rather bad spot. It happens, sneak wears people die, whatever doesn't make them a bad LS or player. Rather it makes me laugh in a joking way, I tractor them to a safe spot and raise3 them. Put's a smile on my face and the dead person always says thanks, and I say something along the lines of how I am always running into your members like this. A few months ago I think we wanted the same pop item but our LS had gotten their first, didn't even bother to watch if we would wipe or not they went on about their business, and maybe once or twice we would see them at Ulli camp. They ask if were there for Ulli, if we are we say yes, they say goodluck and are on their way again.

So having nothing but these experiences its rather hard to imagine what S.M.G was talking about when he said something along the lines of how if his party only had 1-2 members left alive they would have teken it at 1-5% too. Only time I have ever seen anything like this happen was during that time while exp'n the party I was in took Ulli from OH, and considering I told them that 1. we would wipe so try and take claim (at the start of the fight) and 2. that we would not call for help. I don't see anything wrong with that at all. Only way it has anything to do with R-ESP is that they showed up and saw we were going to wipe and tried to get the claim.

None of there people were there at the time when we first (wrongfully) took the claim on Ulli, so I am more then certain that had they gotten the claim and foundout what had taken place they would have done the Honorable thing and given the item to OH. This is based off of encounters I have had with their LS.

S.M.G there I a huge differance between taking a NM once a party has wiped and the mob is at full health or close to it, verses taking it when it is 1-5% dead and members are still alive. You tryed to say that you had a right to the NM since your members who were at full health had died, being raised and recovering (but not fighting), while you were off killing another mob. Umm sorry but i am not only shocked that you would even say such a thing, but i am more suprized that if you honestly think that is the case you would repeat it for everyone to see and look down upon you.

Things just don't work like that, you had your chance to kill it, it failed you wiped (wipe as in all members are dead). Once it sits there unclaimed and regen'n HP it is up for grabs. Anyone to say that R-ESP or anyone else to do that would be in the wrong is not only a fool, they should cancel their accounts and stop playing the game. (yes this is directed to Antura).

The only thing is my bf knows S.M.G from way before FF and I know he is a good guy. It is clear he isn't in the best of LS's, but I hope that people wont hold that against him. He was only trying to stick up and defend his LS same as anyone would do and has done before. I have already talked with you in game before I even saw this post, you know my thoughts. Seriously though smg you guys were in the wrong hands down, I'd just let it go if I was you.

 

[Moev]

Clarify

Oh and just to clarify, when I said that R-ESP tried to get the claim.

That in no way means that they tried to steal Ulli from us before our members were all dead with the exception of myself. What I ment by that is they sat back and watched, waiting for us to die so they could have a shot at claiming the monster once we had wiped.

Considering we didnt have the proper jobs to kill Ulli, a wipe was going to happen regardless if they helped with outside curing. It would be pointless for any group to give a party false hope of killing a NM, when they dont have the right tools to do the job. Also doing so would hurt their groups chances of winning after our party had lost.

However this was because almost all members were dead in our 7 man party and Ulli still had over 1/4 health. Had Ulli been at 1-5% health with even one member left alive, I am sure almost any Sky LS would have helped. I mean unless they had a schedualed Kirin fight and the only thing standing in the way was the Ulli drop.

 

[Ronith]

/sigh of to explain again, now i c what u mean, our PT called for help on Tornberrys, why? ill explain... if u kill a tornberry u get hate acumulated meaning more damage when he does everyones grudge, if u call for help, the hate will not be acumulated, we had our own pop killers and they didnt need ur help. we where gonna keep calling for help regardless.

I'm quite aware that people call for help on Tonberry, and how Hakutaku fights work. I think you misunderstand because you were paying attention to Haku, and not to what was happening with us.

My party was farming the eyes down near the bend. Your ls had a single paladin that kept dragging tonberry right on top of my party to call for help on them. It was not by coincidence that this paladin dragged them across the tunnel and right on top of my party before he called for help, because he could have fought those Tonberry anywhere. He didn't He was dragging them directly on top of my party. He was trying to use us to fight Tonberry for him, and it was not appreciated.

I'm sure GBY has a decent member or two. I don't hate all of you. But I can't help it that your linkshell seems to need the help of ESP to fight your battles. Like trying to force us to be your pop party, or letting us get Chary down to where one of your ls members can steal and kill with, what was it, a couple melee hits and one nuke?

Thank you...I'm in GBY, and honestly havent seen anything bad of it since I have been in it...dunno why everyone else keeps flaming everyone for the shit that happened, and don't fuckin flame me, i wasnt there, maybe they did what Chaos said, maybe they did what ESP said, I DON'T KNOW but plz don't flame everyone else in that LS

P.S. the Jin's havent been at all bad ldr's or at anytime by all means idiots, but trust me the minute they MPK, or steal a HNM while I'm there, I'll drop the LS that instant, Thank you.

 

[Chaoswrath]

Re: Wiped on genbu yes no?

I am so glad that someone brought this up in earlier posts. Since while farming one day in sky my LS got a good laugh hearing how GBY wiped to Genbu. I up until hearing this didn't even consider that possible.

I know there is always some rumor or joke going around about some LS at any given time, however when I saw some people with a GBY LS peral on I nicely /Comfort'd them and asked if it was true they had in fact wiped on Genbu. The only replys I had ever gotten was "no comment", "I wasn't there that day but probally so", and "I don't want to talk about that". Which leads me believe that is was in fact true. I mean comming from their own members.

we never wiped on Genbu... whoever said that is lying BAD<---. to say the least we have not wiped in Genbu Suzaku or Seiryu (wich r the gods we have fought ftm), plz stop inventin stuff and im sure NO one has told u any of the above statements, u probably made them urself. like i said in the begining this isnt about what we do in God's its about Chary and as me and most of the LS has said dont Flame us for anything u DONT KNOW, ur way out of line here trying to make up rumos, if some1 made them try to clarify with us first before u start blaberin as if u asked some1 from our LS, cause u havent, u probably heard that a member died fighting a god or something, wich in that i wont lie to u lol, Deaths have happened (OMG we r not perfect) but we have NEVER wiped on any god, and i dont think we will either. and also if ur going to give out a rumor say the name of the Person who told u this and if he could clarify this, cause im sure he wont come here and say anything b/c its a bunch of lies.

 

[Corvinus]

You guys actually got owned by that thing again lol.... i read a ninja and a bard can duo it :shock:

Oh dude! Ninja and Bard CAN duo? where you read it? 18 ppl lvl 75 still got wiped on that thing.