wolfskymoon said:
Did you read the part where your Linkshell wiped as well? I thought so.
Did you read the part where your Linkshell wiped as well? I thought so.
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I hate posting 3 times but for some reason i have to...
Zoolander you can call me what ever you want.But you should look down your own collar first.
First of all your leader starts a flame" xyz zyc blah blah blah you can all fuck off in the future".Ok that was bad... he said fuck off but its not that bad.Then my friend chaoswarth posts right below and hes actually very very decent.I mean right after your leader,chaos posts and his post has no crap about your ls members.Then you mr zoolander "piece of shit said that our ls is piece of shit.YOu typed that with ur own hands....and u said our whole ls is peice of shit when no one from our ls said anything about you guys.Then right after that Veteran (Who wasn't in HNM ls till he sucked of numberous ppl - i doubt hes been in R-Esp for longer than 2 weeks) said that our entire ls has rejects.And then you actually expect me or others to respect the allmighty uglbapugldjfsjf Dresdan and the rest of the trash?
That must have gotten u a point in ur ls since they support that kinda stuff but me and chaos were told by jins not to post here.Lol and its funny how ppl start saying shit.We are probably the fastest shell when it comes to doing stuff.... we've killed Several gods and pop Nms in like 2 weeks.If we want to steal we could easily steal afew NMs that we've fought in the past.Jinshorty is probably the best NA blm on the server... he capped his merit points and he can fuckin solo zipa probably.
Now go ahead and bring up gil selling and grammar just like always...cheap .. when u run out of excuses for acting irrational and stupid.Look how you guys made a big deal about BOL fighting along with gil sellers...i'd admit right here that 4 gil sellers helped me get sea serpend grotto key when rest of my buddy list was to busy to do so.
Even if chary has 100 hp a whm can't take it... and our ls members were waiting for him to die and one of them calimed it by mistake.But on the other hand i can also argue that they killed the mantas for several hrs to pop it ,and u guys came in for free food.Then started a flame ,and all the jealousy came out.But this type of shit helps u to know better about more and more people everyday.I mean look at the successful people of today.... they all have people waiting to throw shit a them.
Zoolander you can call me what ever you want.But you should look down your own collar first.
First of all your leader starts a flame" xyz zyc blah blah blah you can all fuck off in the future".Ok that was bad... he said fuck off but its not that bad.Then my friend chaoswarth posts right below and hes actually very very decent.I mean right after your leader,chaos posts and his post has no crap about your ls members.Then you mr zoolander "piece of shit said that our ls is piece of shit.YOu typed that with ur own hands....and u said our whole ls is peice of shit when no one from our ls said anything about you guys.Then right after that Veteran (Who wasn't in HNM ls till he sucked of numberous ppl - i doubt hes been in R-Esp for longer than 2 weeks) said that our entire ls has rejects.And then you actually expect me or others to respect the allmighty uglbapugldjfsjf Dresdan and the rest of the trash?
That must have gotten u a point in ur ls since they support that kinda stuff but me and chaos were told by jins not to post here.Lol and its funny how ppl start saying shit.We are probably the fastest shell when it comes to doing stuff.... we've killed Several gods and pop Nms in like 2 weeks.If we want to steal we could easily steal afew NMs that we've fought in the past.Jinshorty is probably the best NA blm on the server... he capped his merit points and he can fuckin solo zipa probably.
Now go ahead and bring up gil selling and grammar just like always...cheap .. when u run out of excuses for acting irrational and stupid.Look how you guys made a big deal about BOL fighting along with gil sellers...i'd admit right here that 4 gil sellers helped me get sea serpend grotto key when rest of my buddy list was to busy to do so.
Even if chary has 100 hp a whm can't take it... and our ls members were waiting for him to die and one of them calimed it by mistake.But on the other hand i can also argue that they killed the mantas for several hrs to pop it ,and u guys came in for free food.Then started a flame ,and all the jealousy came out.But this type of shit helps u to know better about more and more people everyday.I mean look at the successful people of today.... they all have people waiting to throw shit a them.
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wolfskymoon said:
Lol see this is where school would really help you out. Eh but it's ok i don't expect everyone to know about the "Ryder". But yeah i think it's best if you don't post at all. :lol:
wolfskymoon said:
Drystyn just explained what happened. Now do you see why damn near everyone that encounters doesn't bother to pay any attention to you?
For the OP, it was wrong for R-ESP to show up when GBY had been killing place holders, when ESP has not. Now, as both sides have stated, GBY wiped, then ESP began to kill it. I believe that since GBY put in the time, ESP should not have came in and took it, when Drystyn said in his first post - they were kiting it so that more of their members could come help. I'm not saying at all, that ESP stole Chary. I'm saying that they had not put in the time to make him pop, as Mecullie said 5hrs.(If over exagerated does not matter)
This kind of NM is not like most. Its not a 21-24 hr pop to where you can say: Well, lets just try again tomorrow. It is a 8-12 hour pop, now, that isn't so bad, if you don't sleep. You could say that we could try again tomorrow, but now the spawn is no longer a 4hr time period, its been doubled to 8, dependent on if someone killed it the window before.
Now, GBY put in the time, they deserve the NM. End of story. Period. Now, "Deserve" only goes so far. They supposidly had more members coming, they should have had another shot at it. This is one way to look at it.
Now, after GBY wiped, it was yellow, and they began to kill it. Now, the GBY members were no longer weakened. ESP got it to 1-5%(% doesn't matter) and their members start to drop, WHM and BRD are left. They are still up, and since they are NOT engadged to the mob, it goes unclaimed. (When the last engaged member fell, it will go unclaimed) GBY steals it at this point, and kill it. They should NOT have stole it regardless of if they were going to wipe or not.
Now, I grant GBY that ESP should not have been there to kill Charby in the first place threw moral reasons. ESP shruged off what was right,(to let GBY have the NM, since they put in the time to pop it.) proceeded to kill it.
GBY should not have stolen it, but then again, ESP was killing the mob they put so much effort to pop.
I'm going to have to post in GBY's favor on this one, even if I hate WSM as much as 90% of the people on QCDN.
ESP, what you did was not wrong, by coming to kill Chary, it was wrong to attempt to kill something that others have worked for. I like ESP the LS, exept for a few that were hunting Obow one day and drove an exp PT out of Gustav on the basis of Necrosis saying "They don't kill them fast enough." That is just wrong, Necrosis, you had no computition. Anyways, you both were wrong in this.
This kind of NM is not like most. Its not a 21-24 hr pop to where you can say: Well, lets just try again tomorrow. It is a 8-12 hour pop, now, that isn't so bad, if you don't sleep. You could say that we could try again tomorrow, but now the spawn is no longer a 4hr time period, its been doubled to 8, dependent on if someone killed it the window before.
Now, GBY put in the time, they deserve the NM. End of story. Period. Now, "Deserve" only goes so far. They supposidly had more members coming, they should have had another shot at it. This is one way to look at it.
Now, after GBY wiped, it was yellow, and they began to kill it. Now, the GBY members were no longer weakened. ESP got it to 1-5%(% doesn't matter) and their members start to drop, WHM and BRD are left. They are still up, and since they are NOT engadged to the mob, it goes unclaimed. (When the last engaged member fell, it will go unclaimed) GBY steals it at this point, and kill it. They should NOT have stole it regardless of if they were going to wipe or not.
Now, I grant GBY that ESP should not have been there to kill Charby in the first place threw moral reasons. ESP shruged off what was right,(to let GBY have the NM, since they put in the time to pop it.) proceeded to kill it.
GBY should not have stolen it, but then again, ESP was killing the mob they put so much effort to pop.
I'm going to have to post in GBY's favor on this one, even if I hate WSM as much as 90% of the people on QCDN.
ESP, what you did was not wrong, by coming to kill Chary, it was wrong to attempt to kill something that others have worked for. I like ESP the LS, exept for a few that were hunting Obow one day and drove an exp PT out of Gustav on the basis of Necrosis saying "They don't kill them fast enough." That is just wrong, Necrosis, you had no computition. Anyways, you both were wrong in this.
WSM. None of that changes what happened and what was said. I was pissed off because of the display of ethnics and attitude your LS displayed. You took from my friend and insulted my entire LS on the spot, that is the truth. No matter what you people want to say. And you want to argue in the favor of stealing this mob whenever it appears that none of you are sure of what happened there. I am sick of seeing garbage spew from your mouth. It may have been my mistake for posting here, but what I said appears to be deserving. Once again, bottom line is that what was done was wrong. Trash talk all you want, but it was.
Antura said:
I'll remember this the next time I arrive at a NM's spawn area... :wtf'd:
GBY wiped, ESP took it AFTER GBY's wipe, GBY stole it BEFORE the wipe.
Antura said:
Didn't you and Teppo have a similar problem in which Teppo did all the work and you took a sword?
Guys, lets just stop... No point arguing/feeding the flame...
I wasnt there on that day, but yes, we might be in the wrong to claim after GBY or whatever wiped on the NM, yes, they might be in the wrong to leech/claim after Charybdis is @1-5%. But argueing/flaming doesnt change what has happened. Take it as a lesson learnt and lets move on already.
I think we have established a good reputation as a LS and I believe half the people out there think so as too. Lets not let this small matter change their mind about us. Just let the members of GBY do whatever.. They've established a certain reputation for themselves too, we don't have to stoop to certain levels and waste our time.
We know what we can and have achieved.
Yeah, you can flame me all you want too, whoever.. I wont be replying... just disgusted by some things I read in this post...
I wasnt there on that day, but yes, we might be in the wrong to claim after GBY or whatever wiped on the NM, yes, they might be in the wrong to leech/claim after Charybdis is @1-5%. But argueing/flaming doesnt change what has happened. Take it as a lesson learnt and lets move on already.
I think we have established a good reputation as a LS and I believe half the people out there think so as too. Lets not let this small matter change their mind about us. Just let the members of GBY do whatever.. They've established a certain reputation for themselves too, we don't have to stoop to certain levels and waste our time.
We know what we can and have achieved.
Yeah, you can flame me all you want too, whoever.. I wont be replying... just disgusted by some things I read in this post...
http://www.qcdn.org/viewtopic.php?t=10658&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Nevermind Teppo ripped you off. Seemed like kinda a similar story anyway about who did the work and this and that, and then I remembered your name.
Is this the reason for your stance here?
Nevermind Teppo ripped you off. Seemed like kinda a similar story anyway about who did the work and this and that, and then I remembered your name.
Is this the reason for your stance here?
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Antura said:
Unfortunately that's not how NMs work. I've said it before and I'll say again, quite often I'm the only one killing placeholders at Leaping Lizzy, but does anyone just standing there let me have the claim because I'm killing PH? I don't think so. NMs are luck of the draw, you kill placeholders and you hope you get the NM too. By no means does killing placeholders give you the "right" to any NM. Especially when you put in the fact that they did claim it and wiped. Say this guy was camping Argus for 20 hrs straight, you show up for 5 mins and it pops. The guy claims it but dies...are you gonna wait for his friend to come and raise him so he can have another go at it just because he "deserves" it for putting in the time? I don't think so. You kill the PH(or in cases like Argus spend time in hours of boredom -_-;
and you hope that you get the NM. Nothing gives you the "right" to try the NM. End of story. Period. :wink:
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I've been following this thread for two days now, and debating weather or not to post on it since I wasn't even on when all of this went down. It really sucks to read all of this for numerous reasons, not the least of which are:
I am a GbY member, and can therefore say that we DO NOT as a LS rule CC, MPK, or Steal. We've all been in Sky, and undoubtedly know that there is almost always more than one LS there. For some reason we seem to have the same Sky schedule with Rawr, Bastokianhighelite, and on occasion BoL. We have never CC'd any of these LS, nor have we ever even thought of stealing, or MPK'ing them. If we run in to grab an SC, and someone is there, we leave. You can always go grab an MG, Ulli, or Zip, then come back to pickup whatever NM was previously camped. This is how we operate. There is no sense in staining your LS name and creating enemies by doing any of the above mentioned.
The problem is, I know my LS, and I know the rules, but I also know many of the R-ESP members, and hold that LS up in my own mind as one of the best damn LS's on Quetz. I have never seen an instance where R-ESP comes out and talks shit, CC's, MPK's, or steals. R-ESP has always seemed to be very modest, and highly ethical/professional.
There is no claim rules when it comes to NM's, HNM or otherwise, only ethical boundaries. There is no rule, nor in my opinion, ethical issue with watching a group fight, and wipe to an NM. Thats kind of the new way. If my people wiped in this instance, which it seems they did, than I say the NM is fair game. Show me an LS who hasn't watched another LS wipe to SC, MG, etc.. then grab the claim and move on, and I will show you a liar.
If in fact R-ESP had even one member alive, I don't care what/who it was, than the NM is still R-ESP property, REGUARDLESS of who initially popped it. If such is the case, and the NM was still officially R-ESP business, than all I can do is say GbY was wrong, and apologize on behalf of my entire LS for what the few members who commited this action did. They should have let you wipe completley, then taken the NM.
If R-ESP did attempt an MPK with the Elemental, than as far as I am concerned, ethics no longer apply, and you guys got what you deserved.
Problem is, as I mentioned before, I've never heard even the slightest whisper of R-ESP pulling any crap like this, but I've never seen my LS steal an NM. Like I said in the beginning of this, I wasn't even on when this went down. The entire situation sucks. Only the people who were there know what really went down. I can only hope that this eventually gets resolved, and that everyone realizes that reguardless of what the truth is, not the entire GbY, nor R-ESP rosters were in attendance.
I am a GbY member, and can therefore say that we DO NOT as a LS rule CC, MPK, or Steal. We've all been in Sky, and undoubtedly know that there is almost always more than one LS there. For some reason we seem to have the same Sky schedule with Rawr, Bastokianhighelite, and on occasion BoL. We have never CC'd any of these LS, nor have we ever even thought of stealing, or MPK'ing them. If we run in to grab an SC, and someone is there, we leave. You can always go grab an MG, Ulli, or Zip, then come back to pickup whatever NM was previously camped. This is how we operate. There is no sense in staining your LS name and creating enemies by doing any of the above mentioned.
The problem is, I know my LS, and I know the rules, but I also know many of the R-ESP members, and hold that LS up in my own mind as one of the best damn LS's on Quetz. I have never seen an instance where R-ESP comes out and talks shit, CC's, MPK's, or steals. R-ESP has always seemed to be very modest, and highly ethical/professional.
There is no claim rules when it comes to NM's, HNM or otherwise, only ethical boundaries. There is no rule, nor in my opinion, ethical issue with watching a group fight, and wipe to an NM. Thats kind of the new way. If my people wiped in this instance, which it seems they did, than I say the NM is fair game. Show me an LS who hasn't watched another LS wipe to SC, MG, etc.. then grab the claim and move on, and I will show you a liar.
If in fact R-ESP had even one member alive, I don't care what/who it was, than the NM is still R-ESP property, REGUARDLESS of who initially popped it. If such is the case, and the NM was still officially R-ESP business, than all I can do is say GbY was wrong, and apologize on behalf of my entire LS for what the few members who commited this action did. They should have let you wipe completley, then taken the NM.
If R-ESP did attempt an MPK with the Elemental, than as far as I am concerned, ethics no longer apply, and you guys got what you deserved.
Problem is, as I mentioned before, I've never heard even the slightest whisper of R-ESP pulling any crap like this, but I've never seen my LS steal an NM. Like I said in the beginning of this, I wasn't even on when this went down. The entire situation sucks. Only the people who were there know what really went down. I can only hope that this eventually gets resolved, and that everyone realizes that reguardless of what the truth is, not the entire GbY, nor R-ESP rosters were in attendance.
We're sorry, the correct answer was A, please try again.wolfskymoon said:
simple fact that they took you should make that abundantly clear to everyone elsewolfskymoon said:
Do you think you deserve a cookie? this isn't any sort of major accomplishmentwolfskymoon said:
ROFL if you say so but i can think of at least 3 that pwn more than he does.wolfskymoon said:
They say ignorance is bliss....WSM you must be on vacation all the time. Personally...i think not being this dumbass is bliss, but you're welcome to argue w/ me.wolfskymoon said:
You had your shot and you fucked it up, free game after that. no matter how you slice it taking a mob from an alliance that still has even 1 person alive is called STEALING defend yourselves all you want with "we killed the pops" or "they were fixing to wipe" or "they claimed while we were recovering" or whatever you wanna do, but i can promise you few people will see it as anything other than what it actually was.wolfskymoon said:
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Vondoom said:
This is probably the most level headed post in a attempt to clear the situation up I've seen so far. Good job, really.
On that note, I totally agree with you.
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Antura said:
Antura thats the stupidest shit i ever heard. So i guess when someone is hunting Kote NM, and you arrive but someone else is there before you, you should leave? hell no lol. Who cares if they hunted it for 5hrs who cares if they hunted it for days. The point is the WIPED, giving it free game. GBY shoudlnt of took it when they had 2-3 people up, then again ive seen people take fafnir when alliance had 6-8 up. Its basically how YOU will handle the situation, whether its MPK or negotiation.
