Gear questions

Cherron said:
To vaguely answer your question, only wear enough accuracy to consistently land all the hits on DE. However, seeing as how you're eating sushi, you'll probably need a minimal amount. From personal experiences, I've found that to get higher and more consistent numbers I'd gear for Accuracy and Attack first and foremost. DEX/STR/AGI in the remaining equipment slots.

For starters, before you start an XP session, equip your typical WS gear and eat food. The ideal goal here is to get the mob to con "Low evasion and defense." If possible, slowly equip increments of accuracy until the mob cons low evasion. Afterwards, equip attack until it cons neutral or low defense. Keeping in mind, that if it still cons High Defense, it may be better to stack DEX/STR/AGI in those attack slots.

The problem with DE and probably all the other multi-hit WS, is that fact that it varies from race to race and from mob to mob. Also, the level difference between yourself and the mob is equally important. Your WS gear should change according to the mob you are fighting and the level difference. As you start to close the level gap and mobs start conning VT, adding more Attack and DEX/STR/AGI will yield better results.
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I gotcha, so treat it like any other multi-hit WS. Dont pay attention to any mods until your acc is well and good. Same thing I had to do with RR and Guillo. I for some reason thought THF would be different due to SA and TA. Good deal. Thanks.
 
etchdog2000 said:
I gotcha, so treat it like any other multi-hit WS. Dont pay attention to any mods until your acc is well and good. Same thing I had to do with RR and Guillo. I for some reason thought THF would be different due to SA and TA. Good deal. Thanks.
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It is different lol...

ON dancing edge you're garunteed a 20% accuracy, however, that one hit is also responsible for nearly 60% of your total WS damage. The Trailing hits have an impact, but they're minimal, even at 50% accuracy you won't see "z0mg my WS is teh sux0rz". Now considering even at your worst, you'd do 80% accuracy, that means of the trailing 4-7 hits only 1 will miss, maybe 2 on a bad WS.
 
I'd like to offer a gear suggestion because it has not been mentioned yet. A lot of the Enkidu gear is excellent for THF.

The Enkidu subligar beats dragon subligar, and is a nice alternative to the very difficult to get Neptunal Subligar.

The Enkidu hands have accuracy (+5) and 3 less STR than Heca. Hands. It would be worth considering especially if it's more obtainable to you than Heca Hands. (Especially in the case of Dancing Edge, where connecting all of your hits are key to maximum dmg.) Your goal should be to eat meat in PTs, and have near close to perfect accuracy.

The Enkidu's Cap also great, in my opinion. N.head is very difficult to obtain, and Enkidu's is as well, but it's definatley more obtainable. DEX/AGI+3 and Acc+8. As I said before, eating meat is your goal. And this also has two nice amounts of dex and agi for your ws, as well as needed acc for when you eat meat.

The Enkidu leggings are leaping boots with subtle blow and haste the same as dusk ledeselens. (Good for TP)

Enkidu Harness would be decent I think for TA WS, but not much else. Acc/Atk+10 and STR/AGI+5.

Also, you said you don't have sea, but sky gear is DEFINATLEY worth the effort for THF.
 
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Necrosis said:
ah.

Go for a sirocco if you haven't gotten one already; the optimum mainhand would be a blau dolch, but that is heavily dependent on your budget, I guess. (various harpes are ok replacements)
other gear I'd suggest--

TP:
head: walahra (obviously)
neck: PCC
ear1: merman's (atk)
ear2: suppa
body: SH/SH+1 (rapparee?)
hands: dusk gloves
ring1: sniper's
ring2: sniper's
waist: swift
legs: dusk (bravo's?)
feet: dusk

WS:
head: nhead > voyager (voyager -> ohat depending on acc)
neck: PCC
ear1: merman's earring
ear2: merman's earring
body: nbody > SH/+1 > dragon harness, depending on acc
hands: nhands > enkidu, idk what else you'd use
ring1: sniper's/dex, depending on acc
ring2: sniper's/dex, depending on acc
waist: warwolf > potent, depending on acc
legs: nlegs > denali/enkidu > dragon
feet: nfeet > denali/dragon
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Regarding daggers, X's Knife/Blau is the best combo without forking out millions in dynamis. Otherwise it's Blau/Sirroco. If these aren't in your reach just yet then I'd prolly look at the ACC/ATT daggers, but its been so long since I took a serious look at other daggers out there, that you shouldn't take my word on the ACC/ATT daggers.

Head: Turban is great no matter what, Denali isn't a bad alternate (I like it better myself as a personal choice). For WSing Assasin's (THF AF2) is actually a decent alternate to the listed.

Body: Not sure yet how I feel about n.body (just finally got mine) but if I'm to believe posted information about WSs it sounds odd that people would consider this over dragon with none (except maybe Mandalic Stab?) using STR directly. If anything the multihit WSs I could see more especially if your ACC isn't great w/o ACC on the body.

The rest pretty well covers it. Just another note on X's Knife, aside from higher damage and decent delay (compared to Blau), it gets Critical hits affects when main handed and the Blau's hidden ACC and ATT work subbed, causing this combo to stand out over the Blau/Sirroco combo. The Blau/Sirroco is definitely one of the stronger combos though.
 
Javir said:
Regarding daggers, X's Knife/Blau is the best combo without forking out millions in dynamis. Otherwise it's Blau/Sirroco. If these aren't in your reach just yet then I'd prolly look at the ACC/ATT daggers, but its been so long since I took a serious look at other daggers out there, that you shouldn't take my word on the ACC/ATT daggers.
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Gohaan said:
Unfortunatly I do not have Sea access yet. Still working on CoP. Just got done the first mamet(sp?) fight. So the next big fight is ..... Diablos ><
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Twinzero said:
I'd like to offer a gear suggestion because it has not been mentioned yet. A lot of the Enkidu gear is excellent for THF.

The Enkidu subligar beats dragon subligar, and is a nice alternative to the very difficult to get Neptunal Subligar.

The Enkidu hands have accuracy (+5) and 3 less STR than Heca. Hands. It would be worth considering especially if it's more obtainable to you than Heca Hands. (Especially in the case of Dancing Edge, where connecting all of your hits are key to maximum dmg.) Your goal should be to eat meat in PTs, and have near close to perfect accuracy.

The Enkidu's Cap also great, in my opinion. N.head is very difficult to obtain, and Enkidu's is as well, but it's definatley more obtainable. DEX/AGI+3 and Acc+8. As I said before, eating meat is your goal. And this also has two nice amounts of dex and agi for your ws, as well as needed acc for when you eat meat.

The Enkidu leggings are leaping boots with subtle blow and haste the same as dusk ledeselens. (Good for TP)

Enkidu Harness would be decent I think for TA WS, but not much else. Acc/Atk+10 and STR/AGI+5.

Also, you said you don't have sea, but sky gear is DEFINATLEY worth the effort for THF.
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Only the body is good.
 
Icewolf said:
Only the body is good.
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Enkidu Subligar is pretty good. The two alternatives are Dragon Subligar and Dusk Trousers unless you consider Neptunal Subligar which is off Nidhogg or Odin. Enkidu easily beats Dragon so it's just a matter of whether 4 dex, 4 str will beat out 14 attack.
 
Lavi said:
Enkidu Subligar is pretty good. The two alternatives are Dragon Subligar and Dusk Trousers unless you consider Neptunal Subligar which is off Nidhogg or Odin. Enkidu easily beats Dragon so it's just a matter of whether 4 dex, 4 str will beat out 14 attack.
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Oily Trousers. I like mine. Of course I'd like N.Legs, but that's a large investment of time. 5 DEX for SA and WS, and 5 AGI for TA stacking. 5 acc is nice for whatever. Sessy time.
 
Sneakypants said:
Oily Trousers. I like mine. Of course I'd like N.Legs, but that's a large investment of time. 5 DEX for SA and WS, and 5 AGI for TA stacking. 5 acc is nice for whatever. Sessy time.
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If I had the space, I'd consider getting both oily and enkidu, oily for TA and Enkidu for WS and SA, but I really don't have that luxury. I try to get gear that can fit for both as much as possible and I find getting gear with STR and DEX benefits me more overall than gear with DEX and AGI.
 
I hear ya. I <3 stuff that isn't RA/EX though if it's quality. AGI stacking is great for solo TA especially if you have AF+1 gloves. This piece trimmed down my inventory of Dragon Sub +1 and War Legs +1 to a single slot. And again, the 5 accuracy is very nice. With 8/8 dagger, and geared for eating meat, I don't miss the STR from Enkidu and my inventory is very trim. Only other leg piece I'd bother with for WS is Hecatomb. Being a time sink, it's unlikely for me though. Teh Oilies are a Godsend for me.
 
Should I be using homam legs as tp slot and enkidus as WS then? Or fulltime enkidus unless I'm tanking on thf? Homam give the +3% haste- but I don't really have much of a haste build. I got enkidus feet I main so that's 2% + w turbin 5% + ... well thats all i got for haste actually :/ I don't have swift belt and I main enkidus hands. here's my tp setup maybe ya'll can give me some pointers:

head: I've actually been using O hat as main since I don't have haste setup
body: Pln. body
neck: chivalrous chain
Earrings: brutal + ethereal
rings: 2x acc rings
feet/legs/hands: enkidus
belt: warwolf

I could use W turbin for haste but that'd only give me a total (if I was using homam as main) of +10% since I don't have a swift belt. Thoughts?
 
Shady said:
Should I be using homam legs as tp slot and enkidus as WS then? Or fulltime enkidus unless I'm tanking on thf? Homam give the +3% haste- but I don't really have much of a haste build. I got enkidus feet I main so that's 2% + w turbin 5% + ... well thats all i got for haste actually :/ I don't have swift belt and I main enkidus hands. here's my tp setup maybe ya'll can give me some pointers:

head: I've actually been using O hat as main since I don't have haste setup
body: Pln. body
neck: chivalrous chain
Earrings: brutal + ethereal
rings: 2x acc rings
feet/legs/hands: enkidus
belt: warwolf

I could use W turbin for haste but that'd only give me a total (if I was using homam as main) of +10% since I don't have a swift belt. Thoughts?
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I'd recommend getting a Raparee Harness (lvl 50 JSE) and Swift Belt (if you're a Hume or Mithra it's quite easy). That's Haste+8% (body + belt), Walhara +5%, Enkidu Leggings +2%, and then you had Homam Legs? +3%.

So that's 18% haste, then I'd also recommend Dusk / Homam Hands as you got the chance. Haste really makes a noticeable difference on THF, and is even more viable as homam gives lots of accuracy. A meat build is the way to go.

As THF you're going to have to gearswap. Some of the gear you're using full-time should only be for WS / SATA swaps. The WS set of choice is Hecatomb, the whole set is great.

Not going to list all my gear, but this is about what I use~

My TP set includes:

Head: Walhara Turban (Denali Bonnet arguably better/worse)
Neck: Spectacles (No I don't like this piece. But Argus is a jerk)
Body: Homam Body / Raparee Harness (Situational if I need acc or not / have the spell haste cast on me)
Hands: Homam Hands (Dusk is a good alt)
Legs: Bravo's Subligar (Waiting on Homam or Skadi, whichever comes first!)
Feet: Enkidu Feet (I like these better than Dusk + they're free)
Rings1/2: Iota/Blood
Waist: Swift

My dancing edge WS set includes:

Head: Heca Head (Voyager Sallet is about the best alt. you can get)
Neck: Breeze Gorget (Any form of acc/ chiv chain/ kubira beads (SB/MS))
Body: Heca Body (Enkidu Body if that's more avaliable)
Hands: Heca Hands (Your enkidu hands would be fine til you get these)
Legs: Enkidu's Legs
Feet: Hecatomb Legs (Enkidu feet would be decent til you got these)
Rings1/2: Breeze/Rajas (Acc Ring / Rajas would work as well. I prefer getting as much STR/DEX as possible though)
Waist: Warwolf Belt (I'd like Cuchulain's Belt eventually for Mandalic Stab)

Anyway, GL! THF is a great job but as any, very time consuming to get the very good gear.
 
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I forgot, I have raparee harness.. went 0/4 on swift belt and I gotta say it's a lot of work for that to not drop this many times so I moved on. Is +14% haste enough for a decent haste setup?
 
Shady said:
I forgot, I have raparee harness.. went 0/4 on swift belt and I gotta say it's a lot of work for that to not drop this many times so I moved on. Is +14% haste enough for a decent haste setup?
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You'll want to be eating sushi basically anywhere you go, but yeah using a haste setup will be better, you should really invest in Dusk gloves for another +3% aswell.

Swift belt is a pain to get, but is useful on so many jobs it's definatly worth it, so i'd say keep trying :(.

Until you get a Swift, don't TP in WW, Potent belt, Life Belt or one other accuracy + belt i forget the name of are all miles better.
 
I don't like sushi much on THF, but with your current gear it's probably better. Strive for the meat build tho.
 
How do I do that? By getting the swift belt? If I put that on, got myself some dusk hands that'd give me.. +21% haste~ I'd have Acc from the rings, potent belt (i'll switch to that in the future), and the chilvarous chain which would total in about.. +21 acc I believe.
 
Shady said:
How do I do that? By getting the swift belt? If I put that on, got myself some dusk hands that'd give me.. +21% haste~ I'd have Acc from the rings, potent belt (i'll switch to that in the future), and the chilvarous chain which would total in about.. +21 acc I believe.
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8/8 dagger helps a lot, as well as Homam and Heca (body) gear on WS. For neckpieces, Love Torque/PCC/Specs and for Dancing Edge/Shark Bite Breeze Gorget. For Mandalic Stab I use Kubira beads cause it's a one hit ws.

All the homam gear adds acc, and the body adds the most as well as a 2% to triple attack (which I definatly notice with 5/5 triple attack merits). Oh, and Blau Dolch adds some acc too, so keep that in mind. (On WS and under 100% tp)

If you can get some/all of this you should be good to go. But it's not a bad idea to carry sushi and meat in your inventory and you can vary based on what's need. Personally, I very rarely will use sushi for anything.

*Oh, just adding that Skadi Chausses (legs) is a very worthwhile piece from Salvage if you can get it. One less haste than homam, but it adds a nice bit of acc/atk making it better in my eyes. Of course salvage drop rates are a nightmare so... My static has a member who's 0/23 on the skadi 35 leg piece ;; But definatly worth the time and effort in the end, and leg pieces from Salvage aren't really expensive to upgrade :)
 
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i would say it comes down to how you plan to use the job. if you solo NM's or high lvl mobs i would work on a eva set. party's homam for a haste set is always nice to have.
 
Half assed necro ><

Soil Gorget or Breeze Gorget.

(I only say Soil because it has Asuran fists and DE)
 
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