Get off your high horse Phraust

Just FYI, I offered to pay Phraust whatever he wanted for coffer key help, was willing to go way over 50k.

He refused, told me to keep my gil.He told me not to insult him, this game is supposed to be fun.

Thank you again Phraust, even if nothing turns up, just you willing to offer help is greatly appreciated.
 
Btw, Phraust does no wrong in my eyes either. Well, except he's too damn crazy in Dynamis for his own good :lol: .
 
Isn't it rather foolish though to attack someone's making of gil as long as it doesn't break the ToA? There is nothing illegal with his preference to making gil, maybe he finds it a more fun and satisfying way to earn the things he wants than farming many several items over and over. Telling someone how to farm their gil when it's not breaking any rules is really not much different from telling someone how to play their job in every detail.

We should be rather thankful people choose to earn their money different overwise everything would be way too crowded. There are many ways to make needed gils such as farming crafting materials, farming armors, NMs, crafting, fishing and mercing. Sometimes the sanct of zi'tah gets overcrowded although i've never complained about it. But imagine if everyone suddenly decided crafting, NMs, etc became not worth the time and had to farm? Imagine months back when you camped argus tons more people decided to camp against you as well?

I for one am glad there are tons of ways to make gil, including mercing for the more options, the less competion in your choose preference. I'll say I've merc'd before if offered but never went out of my way to ask people, they've asked me, however it's a rarity for me. I'm not rich but I've made a few million total ever in my time with the game, mostly through plain old farming, but I would never denounce mercing or any justified means of making gil? He's not forcing people to help him, it's completely optional of such people to choose instant help that costs gil over waiting a while to form a proper party of free people.

I myself have a very helpful LS and I've helped pretty much everyone do key, coffer keys, AF battles, loans, testimony papers and too many other things to name. I'm fortunate enough to have made good friends, I treat them right and they take care of me, however not everyone is in our same situation with a good LS( assuming you are ). Some people lack the friends from lack of opprounties(sp) or just lack time and place, and merc is what they turn to assuming they don't have the kind of friends we have give-give relationships with.

As earlier said, it's no different than hiring a 75 tank or healer to come to your AF NM fight because you don't know anyone else high enough for that position. This isn't to say I've never helped strangers, I have on many occasions, but we all have our own schedules, goals, and desires out of FFXI, if we had alot more time maybe people would be helping tons exluding those from their friend circles. We all know FFXI requires tons of commitment though to get the items we need to be good, and everyone enjoys being good I assume.

Lastly judging someone in this way, as not helpful, isn't justified. If you're going to judge someone based on how they make their gil then I guess we're all : Shady nasty greedy NM hunters with way too much free time, brainless stupid farmers that just don't know any better, greedy and unhelpful mercs thre to ruin your game if you choose, lazy/evil/cunning economy controller crafters. To hold someone to such a type of personality and behavior is just stupid.

I got repetive a bit and kind of lost my thoughts, so bare with the reply best you all can please.
 
Jag, nice post and very valid.

But I must say this.
The Post I made was not meant to be directed at Ayeka. It was seriously just a shit coincidence.

The Statement at the top of my Help post:

This post was started, and since upgraded, in retaliation to the fuckwads that charge for everything. We should be more 'Community Minded' and not so damned selfish and greedy.
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Although Ayeka kinda does barely fall into this catigory, He/She was not the intended recipient of the insult. The people I was targeting was the assholes who when you ask em to help you out, say "Yeah sure for 50k".

But I mean Come on. Did you people have to pay for your AF Coffer Keys? Or your Genkai Paper? I mean shit... Go back in the forums when we were just hitting 50. You would read a lot of shit differently. 100k for a key? For a lot of people needing the help with thier first AF coffers, and thier first time through the game with that job, 100k is a metric fuckton of money. Keep in mind also when we were thier level we didn't have Gil Sellers running us out and MPK'ing us. You want this game to fucking survive, you gotta make it fun. Not a chore.

Yes you can make 60k - 80k an hour. Can a level 52 Whm? Or a 56Pld? I can tell you, when I hit 50 and was mining my ass off for 4-6 hours for 200k a trip....

So is it foolish for me to attack somone's making of gil, as long as it doesn't break the ToA? I suppose. But I was actually going after the preditorial assholes that are out to take advantage of people.

You say Tomato, I say shut the fuck up.

:D
 
My misunderstanding, good post. I never really made contact with you ingame, but you honestly do seem helpful, as I consider myself. However ayeka is a good fellow, I've openly asked him for advice and got back solid honest responses, I've seen him help get black mage testimony and help for a coffer key until he had to go.

I guess that's all I wish to say
 
Phraust saved me from a wrong turn in Castle Zvahl Baileys. And if you have ever been, a wrong turn = Taru death! :lol:

I went to solo my AF boots 5 times, with 3 deaths. I'm that crazy :twisted: And was delighted to see HL people in there clearing the way, as Phraust was killing demons. :D
 
It took me so long to post, that I ended up on the 2nd page. :lol:
 
The best way to get lots of buying power (Im talking GIL ^^) is to be trying to make money every second your online, and usually that means mixing several different methods of making money all at the same time.

If Im not exping, I sure as hell will not be seen standing around, I always have my days planned out ahead of time and try to be as efficient as possible, so if I get bored of one method of making money I am on to the next thing.

To me this sounds like something your trying to do and I applaud this organization. I dont really care if you charge people for things, if people are willing to pay then you will make money. If people are willing to help for free then right on, thats what this game was supposed to be built around (people helping eachother), but as SE had made it, it has become almost impossible to waste time doing things for free other then EXP'ing since stuff costs an arm and a leg nowadays.

My 2cents.
 
Seriously, I don't see the big deal. Phraust may be rad or whatever. As long as you don't break the user agreement (gilbuy, 3rd program camp) etc. however you want to make money is ok by me. If someone wants to pay to help, and you want to make money whats the big deal, thats called capitalism, you know paying for a good or service in general, I'd call that a service. If Phraust (or anyone else) offers to help for free and does than you are straight out of luck, if he doesn't than he would be a hypocrite and thats one less thing to complain about when it comes down to competition. Stop making a big deal out of something that isn't. I help people for free basically all the time, unless they give me money anyway, but if someone is asking for money for their services and you pay thats perfectly fine too because someone is WILLING to pay. Otherwise I say we just starting giving away good items that may take a high level to camp, because hell, I want to be pimp and have some strider boots, gimme.

Btw, the Ozmg Phraust rocks post you don't posts are just ridiculous, someone may be awesome, but awesome people can make mistakes. It makes me think of "OMFG n00b you knowz nuting stfu!"
 
Mattaru said:
Btw, the: "Ozmg Phraust rocks post you don't posts," are just ridiculous; someone may be awesome, but awesome people can make mistakes. It makes me think of "OMFG n00b you knowz nuting stfu!"
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Fixed some grammar in here.
 
I love it... you are flaming somebody for helping people for free, on something that you charge for.

Dude, get over it... you will still get 'jobs' . Lots of people dont know about QCDN. But flaming someone because they offer their time free of charge, and you dont... ugh :roll:

Did you think before you posted?
 
Ive got to pipe up here. Phraust has helped me with a few things in the past as I have helped him as well. Let's take a look outside of what's happening and look at it at a different angle. Let's say there was a teleport service that started running people for free, day in and day out. I would bet there would be people here bitching that people are cutting into the taxi's profits. Would anyone come to thier defense?

I too help out a lot of people and have yet to recieve any compensation for it, but hell; people helped me out too. Eventually, I may charge people for help for certain things because when I'm playing ranger, sometimes it costs me 60,000 gil to help you get a certain item. Alls I'm saying is that I can see both sides for the arguement here, sometimes I just don't agree with how things are argued.
 
Correction* "famred argus".No No.He had his voke bot on argus and same with his mule named rinas.
 
Ezikiel said:
I love it... you are flaming somebody for helping people for free, on something that you charge for.

Dude, get over it... you will still get 'jobs' . Lots of people dont know about QCDN. But flaming someone because they offer their time free of charge, and you dont... ugh :roll:

Did you think before you posted?
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You kind of missed the point.....
 
wolfskymoon said:
Correction* "famred argus".No No.He had his voke bot on argus and same with his mule named rinas.
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WSM...shut up allready :roll:
 
This game is based on helping people. You can't get by without help from higher levels. It's pretty much fact... It just don't work. Phraust realizes that. Phraust, unlike some snobish jerkwads maybe remembers getting help at the lower levels too for free. Maybe passing on the help that YOU once got from others for free IS being dumb, i mean, why be a nice honest cool person when you can be an anal retensive mercenary bitch that alienates everyone they deal with?

But of course, i'm SURE nobody ever helped you for free, i mean, if they did i'm sure they regret it now, you obviously didn't deserve it, they shoulda made you cough up every gil you had.

That's my two cents worth, but then again, i've been ranting this general thing about "high levels not passing on the same help they got from others when they were LOW levels" for a long long time.
 
My opinions...

First off, I think Ayeka's doing a good thing. From what I read (I haven't actually hired her for anything yet), she does all the work of getting a coffer key, and for a good price. And I mean -all- the work. She gets the party set up, she finds the camp, etc. You just sit back and watch the fireworks.

Let me do a comparison. Ever get delivery pizza? You could have bought a frozen pizza, or made your own, for a fraction of the price. But you paid for the convenience. They mix the dough, they put the toppings on, they cook it, they clean up the kitchen, they even bring it to your house. That's what you're paying for.

I also think Phraust is doing a good thing. He's offering to help with coffer keys. Key word, though, is help. You still have to get the party set up, you still have to find a tank, a healer, enough DDs, etc. He just helps a bit and lends his TH2.

What I -don't- think is good, however, is the way it looks like Phraust is attacking Ayeka. Twice a post of his offering to help with coffer keys for free showed up right after Ayeka offered to merc for keys. The first time was either coincidence or due to the intervention of another poster, however, as Phraust's topic was bumped by Osuka a few months after it had died off. The second topic was a very strange coincidence with an ambiguous flame directed at no one in particular, but it was posted right after Ayeka's last mercing topic was made (about 40 minutes after, which imo is too long for Phraust to not notice Ayeka's topic until after his was made, which is what he's claiming). Not sure if I believe Phraust, but if he's lying about that, then I've really lost a lot of respect for him...
 
Sethala said:
My opinions...

First off, I think Ayeka's doing a good thing. From what I read (I haven't actually hired her for anything yet), she does all the work of getting a coffer key, and for a good price. And I mean -all- the work. She gets the party set up, she finds the camp, etc. You just sit back and watch the fireworks.

Let me do a comparison. Ever get delivery pizza? You could have bought a frozen pizza, or made your own, for a fraction of the price. But you paid for the convenience. They mix the dough, they put the toppings on, they cook it, they clean up the kitchen, they even bring it to your house. That's what you're paying for.

I also think Phraust is doing a good thing. He's offering to help with coffer keys. Key word, though, is help. You still have to get the party set up, you still have to find a tank, a healer, enough DDs, etc. He just helps a bit and lends his TH2.

What I -don't- think is good, however, is the way it looks like Phraust is attacking Ayeka. Twice a post of his offering to help with coffer keys for free showed up right after Ayeka offered to merc for keys. The first time was either coincidence or due to the intervention of another poster, however, as Phraust's topic was bumped by Osuka a few months after it had died off. The second topic was a very strange coincidence with an ambiguous flame directed at no one in particular, but it was posted right after Ayeka's last mercing topic was made (about 40 minutes after, which imo is too long for Phraust to not notice Ayeka's topic until after his was made, which is what he's claiming). Not sure if I believe Phraust, but if he's lying about that, then I've really lost a lot of respect for him...
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1. Phraust's LS mates = the pt other than the key seeker... he makes them do community service all the time, so no, the person asking for help does not need to find a party. if they want to they can get others to help, but phraust can duo the coffer mobs with his whm or rdm lsmate, so it is not needed.

2. The first post, as you mentioned, was one he had made months ago and someone bumped it. If the bumb was intentional it cannot be blamed on phraust... perhaps the person who did it is sick of peopel charging for these things...

The second was posted after her's was but he was at work... and under those circumstances it can take a while to actually finish and make a post. Frankly i doubt he has any reason to lie, also he had been advertising doing it for free among people he knew for at least a week prior to making the post... so its not like he just came up with the idea recently.


Frankly, it depresses me when people charge for things like Genkai, Keys, mission, or avatar help (except maybe fenrir when the person asking for help is like... <70). I have spent a vast ammount of my time helping people get AF, Unlock Jobs, get ra/ex items from NM (not just lsmates folks) and i never charge... and if someone offers me payment i refuse it unless they claim they will feel bad if i don't take it. Stating that you disagree with how people charge for things like helping each other and letting the server know you are willing to truely help and get things done for them should never warrent a flame...

Ayeka might be a great person, but it seems like jealousy got the best of her here... and it doesn't make her look too good.
 
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