Nasya said:
Ok... look.
1. The post i had removed wasn't even harmful to kaizen... if anything it was harmful to Zalbag, and in my opinion would probably have shown a more reasonable light to kisada. One that anyone outside of Limitless/Kaizen rarely sees, because he is a bit rough around the edges in almost every other venue...
Anyway, back on topic- A large part of the reason zalbag left was because of the drama involved in end game... and the way he was treated by some for wearing our pearl. Knowing that the copied post would re-instigate replies, many of which would probably have been negatively directed at him as per the initial replies he got on this thread when he made it... and that the post was never intended to be viewed by him or qcdn, i asked Alyada what he thought about the possibility of removing it. I asked him for an opinion b/c i knew i was probably biased... even though the motive was to protect zalbag in this situation.
Anyway, he agreed that if it was made without Kisada's conscent it should be removed, and removed it himself. He also offered to make a post explaining why it was removed, since it had been up for nearly 45 min... I decided i could at least make the post, since another mod had agreed it should be removed. Bad choice on my part i guess. Oh well.
2. The post was made by someone who isn't in our shell (IP matching yay). In the examples such as Aim conversations, and quotes from in game conversations... the person who made the post was directly involved in the conversation. That to me is entirely different than a non-involved, non-authorized to even see the conversation, third party making use of it.
3. As for kaizen's forum policy. The general agreement is just that. General. ANYONE can register at our boards. That is what we ask, and what any phpBB board by default, asks of its users. What we as a shell ask of our members is quite different.
Also, while i think artems call to copyright is a bit over-the-top... all you need to do to copyright stuff on the internet is make a statement that it has been copyrighted. Yes, if you want to legally take action as a US citizen, the site must be registered... however, under international standards all content on the web is protected upon creation. Facts based off of a webpage/post/whatever are not... but the exact words are.
So... many of you probably wonder why i would want something removed to protect someone else. I know at least one person is going to call complete bullshit on the idea. Sirelrohir, to you, and to anyone else who doubts... Have you ever seen us make a flame about someone who leaves? Have you ever seen us even mention that someone left in a public venue? When people leave we feel that is between them and us, and no one else.
Zalbag choose to involve the QCDN community on this one, a choice he has stated he regrets. If you notice, none of the replies by kaizen members that were made to him said anything negative... they didn't drive a flame... as i stated above, and perhaps rappa who still has the post can confirm, i believe some of the details in that post would have rekindled the less-positive comments he had gotten at first... Kaizen doesn't flame its ex members, even when they might deserve it (not this case)... I simply didn't want a post that was made in private to instigate flames from others either...
Alright, let's look at it this way, though.
When dealing with Kaizen I always had the impression that it was preferred to settle any complications privately and not involve the general community if an agreement could be reached without drama. I thought this was pretty cool. So when I had an issue about potential hypocrisy, I went to Neophytal privately to talk it out with him, as opposed to just making some QCDN post.
Neophytal then gave the posts to all of Kaizen, and then instead of trying to deal with me privately, you guys took your time, got an argument together and proceeded to attack me publicly.
http://www.qcdn.org/showthread.php?t=24269
At this point, my words that were private were used without my consent, to create drama directed towards me. The privacy was breached by a Kaizen member, given to all of Kaizen and then a Kaizen member used them to flame me with them. 1 of the mentioned people is a moderator of QCDN.
It could be interpreted as an explanation by me, that wasn't my choice to have distributed widely, that was then used to make an attack.
Then, even now, Kaizen members go on and on how I make accusations without proof.
http://www.qcdn.org/showpost.php?p=563072&postcount=134
The point being... why the fuck should you get to make a spectacle, continue to dig into me to this day about it, and then when the same thing happens to you, just delete it?
I'm not going to argue it's the end of the universe, and that you were trying to intentionally abuse power, rather I think that if it was any other linkshell, quite honestly it wouldn't have been deleted, because you are adamant about your own privacy, and you are so serious about containing the drama related to your linkshell but you don't care about other linkshells in that same manner.
When you act as such based on being a linkshell leader.. that's self interest and perfectly understandable, but QCDN should be fairly balanced for everyone.
